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Post by TC on Apr 14, 2020 14:42:34 GMT -5
Been wondering about this for a bit - it doesn't sound like any form of sport will be taking place in front of an audience, at least until Fall 2021. I'm sure the college basketball season and possibly in-person college is up in the air for 2020-2021, but in the case that there still is college and there is college basketball ....
Is there any reason why Georgetown couldn't play 2020/2021 at McDonough? If capacity isn't an issue, why not?
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Apr 14, 2020 15:11:51 GMT -5
I love this idea. As a season ticketholder I would gladly support this even if it means I have to stay home for a year.
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Post by professorhoya on Apr 14, 2020 16:37:04 GMT -5
Been wondering about this for a bit - it doesn't sound like any form of sport will be taking place in front of an audience, at least until Fall 2021. I'm sure the college basketball season and possibly in-person college is up in the air for 2020-2021, but in the case that there still is college and there is college basketball .... Is there any reason why Georgetown couldn't play 2020/2021 at McDonough? If capacity isn't an issue, why not? I could see CAP One giving everyone a huge discount to get sports teams to still play in there. |
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Post by DFW HOYA on Apr 14, 2020 17:51:35 GMT -5
Been wondering about this for a bit - it doesn't sound like any form of sport will be taking place in front of an audience, at least until Fall 2021. I'm sure the college basketball season and possibly in-person college is up in the air for 2020-2021, but in the case that there still is college and there is college basketball .... Is there any reason why Georgetown couldn't play 2020/2021 at McDonough? If capacity isn't an issue, why not? Georgetown has a long term deal with Monumental Sports and Monumental isn't letting Georgetown out if it. The other factor is true as well: Georgetown can't support major college basketball at a downsized McDonough. Period. |
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Post by hoya95 on Apr 14, 2020 19:42:28 GMT -5
Been wondering about this for a bit - it doesn't sound like any form of sport will be taking place in front of an audience, at least until Fall 2021. I'm sure the college basketball season and possibly in-person college is up in the air for 2020-2021, but in the case that there still is college and there is college basketball .... Is there any reason why Georgetown couldn't play 2020/2021 at McDonough? If capacity isn't an issue, why not? Georgetown has a long term deal with Monumental Sports and Monumental isn't letting Georgetown out if it. The other factor is true as well: Georgetown can't support major college basketball at a downsized McDonough. Period. Are we sure Georgetown doesn’t have some kind of insurance that would cover this? |
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Apr 14, 2020 23:46:18 GMT -5
Been wondering about this for a bit - it doesn't sound like any form of sport will be taking place in front of an audience, at least until Fall 2021. I'm sure the college basketball season and possibly in-person college is up in the air for 2020-2021, but in the case that there still is college and there is college basketball .... Is there any reason why Georgetown couldn't play 2020/2021 at McDonough? If capacity isn't an issue, why not? Georgetown has a long term deal with Monumental Sports and Monumental isn't letting Georgetown out if it. The other factor is true as well: Georgetown can't support major college basketball at a downsized McDonough. Period. On your last point, if there are no fans at all, does it really matter where we play? Either way the revenue from ticket sales is zero. |
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Post by TC on Apr 15, 2020 1:14:41 GMT -5
Not having to get in a bus and travel 10-12 times crosstown when you don't have to seems like a plus in this environment.
Also, if there's a year to schedule local, it's this one.
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Post by SSHoya on Apr 15, 2020 5:20:22 GMT -5
Been wondering about this for a bit - it doesn't sound like any form of sport will be taking place in front of an audience, at least until Fall 2021. I'm sure the college basketball season and possibly in-person college is up in the air for 2020-2021, but in the case that there still is college and there is college basketball .... Is there any reason why Georgetown couldn't play 2020/2021 at McDonough? If capacity isn't an issue, why not? Georgetown has a long term deal with Monumental Sports and Monumental isn't letting Georgetown out if it. The other factor is true as well: Georgetown can't support major college basketball at a downsized McDonough. Period. Does GU's contract with MSE contains a force majeure clause? Would such a clause relieve GU of its obligation to use Cap One? All you commercial transaction lawyers please weigh in! Many contractual provisions set out a specific list of force majeure events which are deemed to be events of force majeure beyond the control of the parties, such as “pandemics,” “epidemics” or “diseases.” A specific reference to a “pandemic” will make it easier to bring a force majeure claim but will still require the other criteria for a force majeure test to be satisfied. However, if the provision does not include language to that effect, then it will be necessary to consider whether COVID-19, or its impact on a business or a project, is captured by a different concept, such as an “Act of God,” “action by government” or a catch-all provision. Most force majeure provisions contain “catch-all” language in respect of events which are “outside the reasonable control of the party affected”. It seems fairly clear that a pandemic such as COVID-19 would qualify as force majeure under such a provision. It is important to bear in mind however that the relevant force majeure event need not be COVID-19 itself. It is the consequences of COVID-19 and its impact upon the ability of the affected party to fulfil its contractual obligations that will be significant. A force majeure provision typically relieves a party from what would otherwise be a breach of contract—i.e. its failure to perform an obligation due to the effects of the event of force majeure in question. The party must establish the causal link between the event and its inability to perform. A provision that requires a party to be “prevented” by the force majeure event from performing its obligations will likely be more difficult to rely upon than one which only requires the party to be “impeded” or “hindered” in the performance of its obligations. A highly likely scenario with COVID-19 would be the inability to perform a contract due to having to self-isolate an office or a team due to the outbreak of COVID-19 at the workplace. Under many force majeure clauses, this would likely have the necessary impact and causal link to qualify as a force majeure event, subject to the party affected having taken all reasonable measures. A disruption that merely impacts the profitability of a contract may not be sufficient for a force majeure claim unless there is express contractual provision for such a situation. Nor would an economic downturn or other general adverse business conditions likely be sufficient, even if it could clearly be shown that a key trigger for the downturn was COVID-19. www.shearman.com/perspectives/2020/03/covid-19--force-majeure-event |
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Apr 15, 2020 6:43:27 GMT -5
Remember Ted Leonsis, through Monumental Sports, owns Capital One Arena. He’s an alum and good friend of GU. Also, I’m starting to worry about what next season is going to even look like. Are you going to pack teams on a plane to fly them to games? Buses don’t really work outside a certain geography. Are they staying in hotels and eating at restaurants?
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Apr 15, 2020 7:35:29 GMT -5
Been wondering about this for a bit - it doesn't sound like any form of sport will be taking place in front of an audience, at least until Fall 2021. I'm sure the college basketball season and possibly in-person college is up in the air for 2020-2021, but in the case that there still is college and there is college basketball .... Is there any reason why Georgetown couldn't play 2020/2021 at McDonough? If capacity isn't an issue, why not? Georgetown has a long term deal with Monumental Sports and Monumental isn't letting Georgetown out if it. The other factor is true as well: Georgetown can't support major college basketball at a downsized McDonough. Period. I was waiting for this response. It is not incorrect, but it was predictable as clockwork. The anti-McDonough sentiments are strong here. |
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Post by LCPolo18 on Apr 15, 2020 8:59:07 GMT -5
Georgetown has a long term deal with Monumental Sports and Monumental isn't letting Georgetown out if it. The other factor is true as well: Georgetown can't support major college basketball at a downsized McDonough. Period. I was waiting for this response. It is not incorrect, but it was predictable as clockwork. The anti-McDonough sentiments are strong here. If McDonough was a renovated arena with even slightly more capacity, and there was better public access to campus, then I would be all for moving the games to McDonough. As it is, I would still be in favor of one game a year at McDonough to get the students excited, something like a weeknight game against a low/mid major team in early November that is not the home opener. Otherwise, moving ALL games to McDonough (which is what the OP was suggesting, moving all games this season to McDonough) goes against a lot of the goals of the program and of the fans on HoyaTalk The pro is: -More students could have easier access to the games The cons are: -Less access for the DC public, which reduces local fans, which could have a trickle down effect of fewer local recruits that grow up Georgetown fans (yeah there aren't many now, but you're essentially giving up hope of rekindling that in the future) -Not playing in an NBA arena (the atmosphere can be terrible when it's empty, but until I hear otherwise, I'll still believe players would rather play there than a high school caliber gym like McDonough) -Less access for alumni/donors (the non-student season tickets generate a lot of revenue, and the donations associated with those season tickets I'm sure are a large source of revenue, just the 6 sections in the 100 level that are along the sidelines are $1000-$2000 per seat between ticket cost and donation) 104.236.219.15/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2019-20_Season_Ticket_Renewal_Map_Renewed-Seats.jpgNow, if we're talking about a 2020-2021 season where the pandemic is still an issue and fans are not allowed at the games but the games still happen, then it doesn't really matter where the games are played. Monumental might not even want games being played in the arena with no fans because of cleaning costs between games, opting for using small spaces for all of their teams. I would almost rather have the games at the TAC or the new Mystics arena in the scenario that there are no fans allowed and Capital One Arena was either not being used or the Hoyas could break/reduce their contract for the season, because McDonough looks terrible on TV. |
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Apr 15, 2020 9:04:58 GMT -5
Right- obviously it is not ideal, but if necessary, it is not the end of the world.
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Post by bostonfan on Apr 15, 2020 9:21:09 GMT -5
I was waiting for this response. It is not incorrect, but it was predictable as clockwork. The anti-McDonough sentiments are strong here. If McDonough was a renovated arena with even slightly more capacity, and there was better public access to campus, then I would be all for moving the games to McDonough. As it is, I would still be in favor of one game a year at McDonough to get the students excited, something like a weeknight game against a low/mid major team in early November that is not the home opener. Otherwise, moving ALL games to McDonough (which is what the OP was suggesting, moving all games this season to McDonough) goes against a lot of the goals of the program and of the fans on HoyaTalk The pro is: -More students could have easier access to the games The cons are: -Less access for the DC public, which reduces local fans, which could have a trickle down effect of fewer local recruits that grow up Georgetown fans (yeah there aren't many now, but you're essentially giving up hope of rekindling that in the future) -Not playing in an NBA arena (the atmosphere can be terrible when it's empty, but until I hear otherwise, I'll still believe players would rather play there than a high school caliber gym like McDonough) -Less access for alumni/donors (the non-student season tickets generate a lot of revenue, and the donations associated with those season tickets I'm sure are a large source of revenue, just the 6 sections in the 100 level that are along the sidelines are $1000-$2000 per seat between ticket cost and donation) 104.236.219.15/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2019-20_Season_Ticket_Renewal_Map_Renewed-Seats.jpgNow, if we're talking about a 2020-2021 season where the pandemic is still an issue and fans are not allowed at the games but the games still happen, then it doesn't really matter where the games are played. Monumental might not even want games being played in the arena with no fans because of cleaning costs between games, opting for using small spaces for all of their teams. I would almost rather have the games at the TAC or the new Mystics arena in the scenario that there are no fans allowed and Capital One Arena was either not being used or the Hoyas could break/reduce their contract for the season, because McDonough looks terrible on TV. There are a lot of issues with trying to play a significant amount of games at McDonough during a normal year. As we all know this is not a normal year and I don't think that anyone really knows what the situation will be in the fall when games start up again. The capacity of McDonough is not enough to generate the revenue the program needs and access/parking for anyone, other than students or people living in the Georgetown neighborhood, is problematic. That being said, if games are going to be played with no fans, or a very limited amount allowed into the gym, then McDonough or the TAC, could be a viable solution for at least some games for the upcoming season. Other Big East programs, (St John's and Villanova) play part of the their schedule at smaller on campus arenas and then play other games at larger NBA arenas. Georgetown would need to significantly renovate McDonough and increase capacity and also come up worth a workable transportation plan for fans to get to campus and park, but if they could do that (and I don't expect they will at anytime in the near future) they could do the same thing and I think it would really help with out of conference game attendance and improve the game atmosphere over some of those games that seem to be played before just friends and family. While I don't envision this happening as a long term plan(unless some donor comes up with a huge gift to renovate McDonough) I could see some games played on campus this upcoming season, especially if fans are not allowed to watch in person |
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Post by TC on Apr 15, 2020 9:54:33 GMT -5
Remember Ted Leonsis, through Monumental Sports, owns Capital One Arena. He’s an alum and good friend of GU. Also, I’m starting to worry about what next season is going to even look like. Are you going to pack teams on a plane to fly them to games? Buses don’t really work outside a certain geography. Are they staying in hotels and eating at restaurants? I don't think the chances of next season are even 50/50 at this point - but if there was one, it probably would make sense to abandon conferences and just schedule local teams. |
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Apr 15, 2020 13:46:00 GMT -5
Georgetown has a long term deal with Monumental Sports and Monumental isn't letting Georgetown out if it. The other factor is true as well: Georgetown can't support major college basketball at a downsized McDonough. Period. Does GU's contract with MSE contains a force majeure clause? Would such a clause relieve GU of its obligation to use Cap One? All you commercial transaction lawyers please weigh in! Many contractual provisions set out a specific list of force majeure events which are deemed to be events of force majeure beyond the control of the parties, such as “pandemics,” “epidemics” or “diseases.” A specific reference to a “pandemic” will make it easier to bring a force majeure claim but will still require the other criteria for a force majeure test to be satisfied. However, if the provision does not include language to that effect, then it will be necessary to consider whether COVID-19, or its impact on a business or a project, is captured by a different concept, such as an “Act of God,” “action by government” or a catch-all provision. Most force majeure provisions contain “catch-all” language in respect of events which are “outside the reasonable control of the party affected”. It seems fairly clear that a pandemic such as COVID-19 would qualify as force majeure under such a provision. It is important to bear in mind however that the relevant force majeure event need not be COVID-19 itself. It is the consequences of COVID-19 and its impact upon the ability of the affected party to fulfil its contractual obligations that will be significant. A force majeure provision typically relieves a party from what would otherwise be a breach of contract—i.e. its failure to perform an obligation due to the effects of the event of force majeure in question. The party must establish the causal link between the event and its inability to perform. A provision that requires a party to be “prevented” by the force majeure event from performing its obligations will likely be more difficult to rely upon than one which only requires the party to be “impeded” or “hindered” in the performance of its obligations. A highly likely scenario with COVID-19 would be the inability to perform a contract due to having to self-isolate an office or a team due to the outbreak of COVID-19 at the workplace. Under many force majeure clauses, this would likely have the necessary impact and causal link to qualify as a force majeure event, subject to the party affected having taken all reasonable measures. A disruption that merely impacts the profitability of a contract may not be sufficient for a force majeure claim unless there is express contractual provision for such a situation. Nor would an economic downturn or other general adverse business conditions likely be sufficient, even if it could clearly be shown that a key trigger for the downturn was COVID-19. www.shearman.com/perspectives/2020/03/covid-19--force-majeure-eventA few thoughts: (1) Litigators, not commercial transactional lawyers, will be the ones dealing with these issues. (2) The answer is "it depends" on the contract, what state you are in, etc. Without seeing the contract and knowing what law governs the contract, it is impossible to know anything for certain. Much of what you said above is true, but it is definitely NOT true that a catch-all provision would necessarily cover a pandemic like this one. Some states, for example, like New York, interpret those clauses so narrowly that they are basically meaningless. States like New York also interpret things like "acts of God" very narrowly, too, and in the past have typically been limited to things like hurricanes, earthquakes, etc. (3) In many situations like this, the parties have jointly beneficial reasons to work with one another, so many of these instances will not get to the point of litigation. |
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Post by jpj on Apr 23, 2020 13:42:53 GMT -5
1) assuming there is a college basketball season in 2020 - but with no fans
McDonough could be an idea choice as Capital One may seem like an empty cavern
2) If there is a season with fans
Cap One Center attendance has fallen as the team is no longer top 25 caliber
As long as the early season schedule contains weak teams, why not use that to start some new traditions
A) Play the season opener at CapOne
B) play the 2nd home game against the weakest team on the non league schedule at McDonough
start a new tradition with one section of the stands reserved for the incoming freshmen and make it their event - their introduction to GT Bball
C) play the 3rd home game against the 2nd weakest team on the non league schedule at the 3000 seat Mystic/G-League Arena
2nd and 3rd games home games should be near "sellouts" at the smaller facilities as well as filled with students
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Post by LCPolo18 on May 28, 2020 21:23:40 GMT -5
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