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Post by zxhoya on Dec 31, 2019 20:00:03 GMT -5
Timmy I don't believe has played in the 2nd half. The announcer has been calling Wahab, Timmy. Did Tim play in the first half? Yes, 1 minute.
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Post by vv83 on Dec 31, 2019 20:00:17 GMT -5
not having Mac hurt, but the first half effort gave us no chance to win. Hopefully this becomes a learning moment. Now they fully understand that they need to be locked in for 40 minutes to have any chance of competing in the big East. The second half effort leaves me somewhat hopeful that this lesson will get through effectively.
But If Mac is out for an extended period, the season is over. We can compete some nights with full effort if Mac is not playing, but not nearly enough to get close to .500 in the conference. But if Mac is back by next week - these two opening road games were going to be tough with or without Mac, so if we lose both it is not a disaster. We rarely play well in providence or Newark, pretty good chance we lose both these games even with Mac. they need to keep their heads in the game and be ready to go hard if Mac is able to come back next week
But if his absence extends beyond the Seton Hall game - the season is likely to get away from us pretty quickly. If Mac ends up being out for an extended period - As long as they give the second half effort consistently, I can live with a rough big east record. Their goal needs to be to get the most out of the talent they have available by playing smart, focused, high effort basketball every night, no matter who is available to play
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Post by nattybumpo3152 on Dec 31, 2019 20:01:19 GMT -5
You can say all you want that Mac was not the crucial difference in today's game, but the reality is that he is the leader of the team and his presence on the court gives other players confidence and self-assurance. He's the leader and every team needs one.
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Post by RockawayHoya on Dec 31, 2019 20:01:38 GMT -5
It's almost as if you're acting like this was the first time this year Yurt's played against a HM big... It's just one game. He didn't play his best, but I'm sure he'll figure it out. Let's not overreact to one mediocre performance. Agreed.. Yurt had 14pt on 8 shots so to me he wasn't that bad... Having said that he'll have to work a lot harder to get position on the blocks plus I think he's gonna have to expand his shots to at least the foul line or so as well otherwise his shot attempts will fall well below his ooc numbers... 8 FGA is the biggest problem. With Mac out, he's gotta get up twice that and maybe even more. But that's not all on him. Way too much out-of-the-flow gunning by Mosely, Blair and Allen. IIRC, Omer also helped contribute to Watson's foul trouble and ended the game with only 1 foul himself. This was hardly his worst performance.
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Post by jester on Dec 31, 2019 20:03:17 GMT -5
I too thought everyone started out the game out of sorts, which maybe could be expected if not excused, but whether by design or execution, Yurt was never in great positions to score in first 10 minutes. It seemed like a combo of guards not looking for him but also him not being aggressive. Also missed some easy putbacks.
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Post by EtomicB on Dec 31, 2019 20:03:26 GMT -5
Agreed.. Yurt had 14pt on 8 shots so to me he wasn't that bad... Having said that he'll have to work a lot harder to get position on the blocks plus I think he's gonna have to expand his shots to at least the foul line or so as well otherwise his shots will fall well below his ooc numbers... He was passive when we needed a leader. Those were garbage stats I don't buy into these types of arguments especially with bigs, this is the same take folks had on Govan whenever Gtown lost & he didn't play well...
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Post by mdtd on Dec 31, 2019 20:04:20 GMT -5
Many things to mention, horribly frustrating. The team came out defeated. Came out as they had already lost. When did they figure out Mac was inactive? Clearly was way too late. Felt defeated even before the tip. NO energy, no heart, nothing. I turned the game off at like 10min into the second half and came back after a CFB game ended, so I missed the run, and Providence pushing it to thirty, so I can't say I know too much of what happened. BUT, Terrell Allen had 15 shots. That's not his game and leads me to believe that Pickett and Mosely were tentative. You have to be aggressive otherwise, teams don't have to guard you. Those two took a combined 14 shots in around 70 minutes. Be aggressive, play like scorers. Especially Pickett. Only having 9 shots is pretty inexcusable for the guy that should be a prime candidate to step up in Mac's absence. And Yurt had 8 shots. HELLO??? HOW??? 8 shots man. It was harder to get him touches, but when he had them, he played way too soft. He had an advantage and didn't take advantage. Get him the ball in this spot. Feed off of him. But no, the offense struggles to get him the ball and when he got it, he played scared.
The game was over early. Guys made a little run, good for them. But after Diallo then Pipkins ht a shot with around 7min left, the game was over. Momentum went and the team missed too many shots. Ewing, or whoever is helping with subs... why didn't we go to the walkons and Tim and/or Qudus and/or Blair? The game was over, take your energy and move on. Move on. Don't play these guys a minimum of 7 pointless minutes, risking injury which kinda happened to Yurt. It was infuriating. I don't blame Ewing for the run early game, he did everything he could to wake his team up. But this??? C'mon, staff. Play the guys and see what the bench has. Maybe someone looks good and can steal spot minutes??? Maybe they can play if another injury happens. Maybe someone looks better in games than in practice. Maybe someone plays really hard, communicates well and can steal four minutes a game. In the heat of a Big East season, that can be a huge relief. Play the reserves to give your starters more energy while on a difficult road trip to be ready for the next game. Take your loss and move on. Frustrating. Rant over.
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Post by fuji76 on Dec 31, 2019 20:13:00 GMT -5
Read this board for years, never posted before. Generally I like to read posts when the hoyas win and stay away when we lose. Think it's amazing the fine line in college hoops between being good, mediocre or bad. For a half tonight was some of the worst bball I have seen the hoyas have in years and that is saying a lot. But that is basketball, it happens, especially when your best scoring guard is out and you have no depth. Second half they showed some real fight. You're not going to get down 30 and win. To me that shows some real toughness and bodes well for this season. This team can be good, mediocre or bad, it just has very little room for error. Tough night, let's move on to Seton Hall, hopefully with mclung.
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Post by jwp91 on Dec 31, 2019 20:16:35 GMT -5
He was passive when we needed a leader. Those were garbage stats I don't buy into these types of arguments especially with bigs, this is the same take folks had on Govan whenever Gtown lost & he didn't play well... How many did he have in the 1st half?
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Post by daveg023 on Dec 31, 2019 20:18:56 GMT -5
10 spot drop on KenPom - down to #50 now.
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Post by dchoya72 on Dec 31, 2019 20:20:21 GMT -5
Didnt see the first half. They fought in the second half even though they were outmanned and way behind. I am not overwhelmed they just lost to a better team tonight.
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Post by hoyainla on Dec 31, 2019 20:21:49 GMT -5
The good news is the shots of Mac didnt seem like there was anything wrong with his eye so I can't imagine this being a long absence. This game was won in the first half when they couldnt miss contested shots and we couldn't hit open ones. In that case it was a bit of an aberration. That said there is very little chance of us winning more than a couple of BE games with only 6 contributing guys and I don't care if one of those is Mac. You are 1 silly foul or 1 off shooting night from being dead. In this case both of those happened to Blair tonight. Yurt is going to have to figure out how to play against BE bigs or Pat is going to have to change the scheme. He got muscled around by Watson for most of the game. He looked capable once Watson got in foul trouble and went to the bench. It looks like he was ignored because he was not able to get open. They fronted him and and couldn't get open or they stood behind him and pushed him off the block. I think we have to run some PnR that will free him up and create mismatches for him. It's almost as if you're acting like this was the first time this year Yurt's played against a HM big... It's just one game. He didn't play his best, but I'm sure he'll figure it out. Let's not overreact to one mediocre performance. His numbers look fine although we lost what seemed like all the contested early boards. I expect that from Jamorko but Yurt should dominate there. He hit a couple of nice shots. The problem is he only took 8 of them and I don't want to hear it's because the team wasn't looking for him. They looked for him most times down. He just wasn't open. That is why I said maybe Pat will have to scheme to get him open. It's not like they were really doubling him from what I remember. Maybe Im wrong there. I am giving Yurt credit for being strong although I do think he plays kind of soft at times. That said Watson went right at him and back him down while Yurt was going away from the basket on his shots. If he isn't physical enough to compete with BE bigs then we need to change the game plan. I also don't want to make it seem like Yurt was in any way responsible for the loss tonight. If we are going to be a tournament team he needs to be dominant. Playing like he did tonight that isn't possible.
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Post by zxhoya on Dec 31, 2019 20:23:13 GMT -5
Just re-watched the 1st 8 minutes or so of the 1st half and Providence doubled (sometimes tripled) Yurt every time he received the ball in the post and whenever the ball was on the perimeter on his side when he posted they sent an additional defender ready for a post entry. This is where Mac makes a difference, they didn't respect the options weak side or up top and were able to recover when the pass returned to the outside. Mac's ability to score from the outside and drive and finish is huge for us.
GU outscored Providence 37-22 in the 2nd half with some pressure D and better ball movement along with some transition baskets. All was not lost.
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Post by EtomicB on Dec 31, 2019 20:25:17 GMT -5
I don't buy into these types of arguments especially with bigs, this is the same take folks had on Govan whenever Gtown lost & he didn't play well... How many did he have in the 1st half? Yurtseven had 8 points in the 1st half on 4(3-4) shots... Terrell Allen had 2 points in the 1st half on 6(0-6) shots. He also had zero assists in the 1st half... www.guhoyas.com/sports/mens-basketball/stats/2019-20/providence/boxscore/14438
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Post by EasyEd on Dec 31, 2019 20:31:46 GMT -5
For all of us waiting around for Pickett to take some magical next step, I just don't see it happening. He is what he is at this point: a decent stand-still shooter and a guy who can sometimes help you off the ball with some weak-side rebounding and contests with his length when he feels like putting forth a short spurt of effort. That's pretty much it. If you ask him to create for himself or others, be a shutdown on-the-ball defender, or to be a high motor-guy, that's just not who he is. Agree 100%. Handle not good. Attempts at post-up not working. Reasonable spot up shooter. Contributes most on defense and rebounding.
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Post by hoyainla on Dec 31, 2019 20:33:11 GMT -5
Just re-watched the 1st 8 minutes or so of the 1st half and Providence doubled (sometimes tripled) Yurt every time he received the ball in the post and whenever the ball was on the perimeter on his side when he posted they sent an additional defender ready for a post entry. This is where Mac makes a difference, they didn't respect the options weak side or up top and were able to recover when the pass returned to the outside. Mac's ability to score from the outside and drive and finish is huge for us. GU outscored Providence 37-22 in the 2nd half with some pressure D and better ball movement along with some transition baskets. All was not lost. I stand corrected. I just kind of didn't remember him getting many touches and when he did he was in bad position to score. On the rewatch did it seem like the guards were avoiding him or he was not in a good place to score? If we know anything its that Pat wants to feed the post so would be shocking if they didn't.
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Post by jwp91 on Dec 31, 2019 20:49:03 GMT -5
I’ll watch again more closely.
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Post by mdtd on Dec 31, 2019 21:13:48 GMT -5
For all of us waiting around for Pickett to take some magical next step, I just don't see it happening. He is what he is at this point: a decent stand-still shooter and a guy who can sometimes help you off the ball with some weak-side rebounding and contests with his length when he feels like putting forth a short spurt of effort. That's pretty much it. If you ask him to create for himself or others, be a shutdown on-the-ball defender, or to be a high motor-guy, that's just not who he is. Agree 100%. Handle not good. Attempts at post-up not working. Reasonable spot up shooter. Contributes most on defense and rebounding. This was the game, where he had the largest chance to step up and be aggressive. He didn't. I'm not sure he dribbled toward the hoop at all in this game. He shot most of his shots when the game was over, granted it wasn't close for 85%, roughly. I just want him to be aggressive. I'm not expecting 17ppg, but at least some focused play where he is able to go to the hoop and play stronger. He has a nice shot, but if he doesn't take it to the rim, teams can handle him easier. Also, I want him to hunt his shot more. It just doesn't seem like it's coming, though. This is why this team desperately needs Mac.
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Post by calhoya on Dec 31, 2019 21:25:58 GMT -5
Reality Bites! Tonight is what all of us knew or should have known after all the departures—no margin for error. Said the other day that if this team goes 9-9 Ewing should be national coach of the year. Team was flat tonight. Flat, no McClung, wrong guys shooting, no bench —no way. Blowout loss to a mediocre team.
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Post by hoyazeke on Dec 31, 2019 21:35:50 GMT -5
You obviously don't understand how basketball works....if we have Mac Provy doesn't have a 14-0 run to start the game...its not the points differential, its the ability to stop the bleeding....maybe Mac starts hot and scores 4-7pts to start the game...now the basket opens for the others.... Maybe he does maybe he doesn't but I don't think it wouldve had much effect on them shooting. They had the same 30 point lead in the 2nd and couldn't hit the broad side of a barn. We ran into a buzzsaw hungry team playing at home off a 12 day break. The offense at the beginning wasn't contested shot that, it was missing open shots and just fumbling the ball around. Mac would've helped but missing him is not the reason we lost tonight. We got outplayed early and dug to big of a hole to get out of. Its just not true LA. How many of the 1st few possessions did Allen penetrate for his own shot? The same with Morko and Juggy....especially on the road you need a calming presence. We may still lose but I doubt the game gets away from us like it did so quickly...and when you are up 20-30pts you let your guard down a little...the 2nd half was only about our team getting some confidence for SH if Mac is still out...Provy was in survive the game mode....
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