prhoya
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Post by prhoya on Nov 25, 2019 11:17:06 GMT -5
Disagree. In that situation, a crisp pass to Akinjo could not be intercepted by the defender. A one-handed Austin Freeman lazy pass to Akinjo, on the other hand, was there for the steal. Players are taught fundamentally to make crisp two handed passes. They are also taught to come hard to every pass. Neither Pickett or Ackinjo were fundamentally sound and failed to execute properly on that play. As I said before, Players don’t meet every pass. There’s no need for it. It would be against the flow of the game. From watching the replay, Akinjo did move towards the ball as a reaction to Jones, but it was too late for Tre's sprint.
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Post by EtomicB on Nov 25, 2019 12:21:24 GMT -5
Obviously, that's a much better framing of the question also obviously he wouldn't know or expect that to happen but he did know a pass was coming to him right? He didn't know a weak, one-handed, push bounce pass was coming his way. Btw, he moved towards it as a reaction to Jones moving. If your answer to that question is yes, then I'll ask do you think it's a good idea for a player to stand 25 feet away from an inbound pass everyone knows is coming to him? We do it all the time. So, it's on the coaching staff to change the position of a player receiving the ball and to instruct the in-bounding player not to telegraph Grandma's pass. Or maybe change the play. We've already established how bad the pass was and you're correct that Akinjo did move when the pass was thrown... However, you didn't answer the second question of whether you think it's a good idea for James to be 25 feet away from an inbound pass that everyone knows is going to him?
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Nov 25, 2019 14:08:00 GMT -5
We are micro-dissecting a play you rarely see made. In my 35 years of watching Hoya basketball, I don’t recall this type of steal being made against us to start a half. The pass is typically conceded.
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Post by prhoya on Nov 25, 2019 17:51:39 GMT -5
We've already established how bad the pass was and you're correct that Akinjo did move when the pass was thrown... However, you didn't answer the second question of whether you think it's a good idea for James to be 25 feet away from an inbound pass that everyone knows is going to him? I thought I did with " We do it all the time. So, it's on the coaching staff to change the position of a player receiving the ball and to instruct the in-bounding player not to telegraph Grandma's pass. Or maybe change the play." My opinion of whether it's a good idea or not does not matter because Pat is not following our advice. The fact that we do it time and again makes me think that the coaching staff is fine with Akinjo's position to start that play. And I agree: I didn't think anything about Akinjo's position at the time. It looked like our normal play to inbound. Btw, I agree with Bigs. That pass is normally conceded. But, we were playing Duke and Coach K, his assistants and his players will look for any advantage, whether it's Coach K working the refs all game long, flopping, kicking, looking the other way to steal the ball, etc...
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Post by EtomicB on Nov 25, 2019 18:43:43 GMT -5
We've already established how bad the pass was and you're correct that Akinjo did move when the pass was thrown... However, you didn't answer the second question of whether you think it's a good idea for James to be 25 feet away from an inbound pass that everyone knows is going to him? I thought I did with " We do it all the time. So, it's on the coaching staff to change the position of a player receiving the ball and to instruct the in-bounding player not to telegraph Grandma's pass. Or maybe change the play." My opinion of whether it's a good idea or not does not matter because Pat is not following our advice. The fact that we do it time and again makes me think that the coaching staff is fine with Akinjo's position to start that play. And I agree: I didn't think anything about Akinjo's position at the time. It looked like our normal play to inbound. Btw, I agree with Bigs. That pass is normally conceded. But, we were playing Duke and Coach K, his assistants and his players will look for any advantage, whether it's Coach K working the refs all game long, flopping, kicking, looking the other way to steal the ball, etc... Kinda strange that you won't give an opinion on that part of the play but I can agree to disagree...
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prhoya
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Post by prhoya on Nov 25, 2019 18:48:45 GMT -5
I thought I did with " We do it all the time. So, it's on the coaching staff to change the position of a player receiving the ball and to instruct the in-bounding player not to telegraph Grandma's pass. Or maybe change the play." My opinion of whether it's a good idea or not does not matter because Pat is not following our advice. The fact that we do it time and again makes me think that the coaching staff is fine with Akinjo's position to start that play. And I agree: I didn't think anything about Akinjo's position at the time. It looked like our normal play to inbound.Btw, I agree with Bigs. That pass is normally conceded. But, we were playing Duke and Coach K, his assistants and his players will look for any advantage, whether it's Coach K working the refs all game long, flopping, kicking, looking the other way to steal the ball, etc... Kinda strange that you won't give an opinion on that part of the play but I can agree to disagree... I think it's there. Agree to disagree.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Nov 25, 2019 23:40:29 GMT -5
It is clearly Patrick's fault for not diagramming an inbounds play to start the second half.
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Hoyas4Ever
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Nov 25, 2019 23:48:44 GMT -5
Players are taught fundamentally to make crisp two handed passes. They are also taught to come hard to every pass. Neither Pickett or Ackinjo were fundamentally sound and failed to execute properly on that play. As I said before, Players don’t meet every pass. There’s no need for it. It would be against the flow of the game.From watching the replay, Akinjo did move towards the ball as a reaction to Jones, but it was too late for Tre's sprint. I racked my brain trying to figure out what you meant by this statement. Only thing I could come up with is that this is such a ridiculously false & strange statement that I have no absolutely response other pointing the lunacy of the comment...
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Post by prhoya on Nov 25, 2019 23:57:14 GMT -5
I racked my brain trying to figure out what you meant by this statement. Only thing I could come up with is that this is such a ridiculously false & strange statement that I have no absolutely response other pointing the lunacy of the comment... Your comment seemed lunatic to me too. I guess we're lost in translation...
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Post by hoyazeke on Nov 26, 2019 17:24:18 GMT -5
I really didn't want to make a new thread but did anyone see that we only got 1 vote in the AP poll? I know that it really doesn't matter now but Texas got 16 votes in the AP and 32 in the USA Today......after we soundly beat them on a neutral court they are still getting more respect....smh
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Post by hoyainla on Nov 26, 2019 23:32:55 GMT -5
Duke with the letdown after the huge game against the Hoyas. Fall to Stephen F Austin. It’s hard to get up for 2 season altering games in a row!!
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Post by rlo24 on Nov 26, 2019 23:33:05 GMT -5
Duke going down at home to SFA. Puts a bit of hear that UNCG may catch us sleeping too.
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Post by bigelephant on Nov 27, 2019 4:40:12 GMT -5
Duke LOSt!
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Post by Elvado on Nov 27, 2019 6:14:58 GMT -5
I know it hurts us RPI wise, but is anything better than watching Count Chocula take one in the shorts.
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Post by bigelephant on Nov 27, 2019 6:32:22 GMT -5
I know it hurts us RPI wise, but is anything better than watching Count Chocula take one in the shorts. Not that I can thank of!
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calhoya
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Post by calhoya on Nov 27, 2019 7:31:15 GMT -5
Was not that impressed with Duke. In any event their refs must have had the night off.
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Post by SSHoya on Nov 27, 2019 8:53:23 GMT -5
I know it hurts us RPI wise, but is anything better than watching Count Chocula take one in the shorts. Not that I can thank of! Watching Magoo take one in the shorts?
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Post by hoyarooter on Nov 27, 2019 20:08:28 GMT -5
Was not that impressed with Duke. In any event their refs must have had the night off. Perhaps not. SFA shot 17 free throws, Duke 40.
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