Hoyas in Mock drafts

[RBHoya]

From my experience, draftexpress.com (run by those who formerly ran draftcity.com) is the best site for NBA mock drafts and draft content. They were not giving much respect to the Hoyas previously, but they've updated their future mock drafts now that the 2005 draft has finished.

They list Brandon as going 46th overall in 2006
www.draftexpress.com/mock.php?y=2006

They also predict that Jeff will leave after his junior year, but have him going in the second round at #37 overall in 2007:
www.draftexpress.com/mock.php?y=2007


They also have a pretty positive piece about Jeff and JTIII in their new "2006: A Few Names to Remember" article.

www.draftexpress.com/viewarticle.php?a=1032

Excerpt:

"John Thompson did a great job in breathing some life back into a downtrodden Georgetown program last year, keeping his young team in contention for an NCAA berth nearly the entire season. His ability to recruit is already paying dividends, but the Hoyas’ biggest reason for optimism actually comes from the Craig Esherick era.

PF Jeff Green was an unknown when he signed, but people in the Big East certainly know his name now. He used his already developed body and a very intriguing feel for the game to average nearly 12 points and 7 rebounds per game, while winning Big East Co-Rookie of the Year (along with much more hyped Rudy Gay).

When he isn’t beating people up around the basket, Green looks surprisingly comfortable facing up. He’s got solid passing skills and very soft hands. On the defensive side of the ball, Green has great timing as a shot blocker to go along with some nice athleticism. Look for Jeff Green to develop into one of the Big East’s top couple of big men this season, and for his name to pop up on everyone’s mock draft next spring. "


I was glad to see Brandon listed, as I'm hopeful that he'll get picked and stick on an NBA club after this season, but I still think people are underrating Jeff. I'm pretty sure that he's a first round talent by the time he's a junior, maybe even a lotto pick. Hopefully he makes the right move though and stays in school until he's a lottery pick, much like Sweetney did.

[StPetersburgHoya (Inactive)]

I also think that Jeff has a lot of time to improve his draft number and that he is underestimated by many mock draft services because most of these services have never seen him play in person. Like Brandon, Jeff can greatly improve his draft position with a long, televised run in the BET and NCAA's. At this point its clear to everyone that follows the team that Brandon can improve to be an NBA player and that Jeff has the potential to be an every day player in the NBA - right now it is an issue of them both not having the national exposure necessary to become higher draft picks.

[Gtown4Life]

Any word on whether Jeff Green has grown taller than 6'8 like there was much hype he would? If he does end up 6'10 or so he is a lock for the top 20 when hes drafted and he will be a beast in the BE conference.

[lichoya68]

the rumorwas he is 69 or 610 already with his growth plates just still open.... and if you looked at brandon at the end of the year jeff certainly looked taller by and inch or two but thats just one mans opinion go hoyas go jeff 611 would be pretty nice ....

[StPetersburgHoya (Inactive)]

If Jeff ends up at 6'11 his junior year with the same mobility, hands, shooting, basketball IQ, etc. he is a mortal lock for the lottery.

[Deleted]

No offense, lic... but how the hell are we getting scouting reports on Jeff's growth plates? Did someone go "Inner Space" style and miniaturize themselves and fly into JG's body? Is this what the paid subscription gets you over at HoyaReport? Access to the player's last physical?

[the_way]

buffalohoya said:

No offense, lic... but how the hell are we getting scouting reports on Jeff's growth plates? Did someone go "Inner Space" style and miniaturize themselves and fly into JG's body? Is this what the paid subscription gets you over at HoyaReport? Access to the player's last physical?

I think somebody on the board had said that they met Jeff's parents in MSG in New York, and Jeff's father said that the doctor told them that Jeff was still growing and should grow to like 6'11".

In terms of Jeff, I don't pay attention to these dumb mock drafts. They go by the name of the players most of the time, and rarely do they actually evaluate talent. Jeff will be a special player wherever he goes. The thing about Jeff is that his game is boring. Like Tim Duncan. Its not "sexy". But Jeff, like Duncan, does all the little things that help a team win that goes unnoticed to the naked eye. He doesn't just do things that only fill up a box score or make ESPN highlights. That is why Jeff will be successful wherever he goes and his team will have success as well. While everybody raves about Marvin Williams' shoe size, wing span, and "upside" or Rudy Gay's vertical jump, Jeff Green will make more of an impact in the NBA than both those players combined, he just won't be as "sexy" as they are to pick in a mock draft.

[lichoya68]

the way thats what i heard it was second hand but from jeffs parents.. only rumor but sounded good and if you looked at jeff and brandon together with brandon at 68 jeff is at least an inch or two taller.. .. no other information than that those who go to a summer kenner league game take a look.. go hoyas

[JimmyHoya]

I guess they were trying to account for bonehead decisions on many players' and executives parts because a lot of those names and entrance years make no sense, whatsoever.

[nychoya3]

Draftexpress is a very well done site. Not to say they're always right, but they seem to watch games and films, rather than just pulling stuff out of thin air.

If Jeff grows to 6'11'' his junior year, he's going to give Greg Oden and OJ Mayo a good run for number one pick that year. I mean, we're talking Tim Duncan with more of an outside game (though less polished post work). He's definitely capable of putting together a monster sophomore year to propel him into the lottery next year, but we've also seen a lot of guys disappoint a little in their second year. Chris Taft, for example, got better, but not as much as people thought he would. Jeff seems to have a much better attitutde than Taft, so he's not likely to suffer his fate, but players develop differently and often unexpectedly.

I'm also glad to see Bowman getting a little love. He didn't seem to really get much pub from declaring, but he looks to have at least put himself on the radar as a guy to watch. Brandon can play at that level, and I think he'll get a chance if he has the season I'm hoping for.

[theEDGEfactor]

CBSsportsline came out with there top25 predictions and no GTOWN to be seen. Cuse is in it but not Gtown, dont really get it. Heres the link- www.sportsline.com/story/8593178/2

[StPetersburgHoya (Inactive)]

theway said:

buffalohoya said:

No offense, lic... but how the hell are we getting scouting reports on Jeff's growth plates? Did someone go "Inner Space" style and miniaturize themselves and fly into JG's body? Is this what the paid subscription gets you over at HoyaReport? Access to the player's last physical?

I think somebody on the board had said that they met Jeff's parents in MSG in New York, and Jeff's father said that the doctor told them that Jeff was still growing and should grow to like 6'11".

In terms of Jeff, I don't pay attention to these dumb mock drafts. They go by the name of the players most of the time, and rarely do they actually evaluate talent. Jeff will be a special player wherever he goes. The thing about Jeff is that his game is boring. Like Tim Duncan. Its not "sexy". But Jeff, like Duncan, does all the little things that help a team win that goes unnoticed to the naked eye. He doesn't just do things that only fill up a box score or make ESPN highlights. That is why Jeff will be successful wherever he goes and his team will have success as well. While everybody raves about Marvin Williams' shoe size, wing span, and "upside" or Rudy Gay's vertical jump, Jeff Green will make more of an impact in the NBA than both those players combined, he just won't be as "sexy" as they are to pick in a mock draft.

Completely agree with you way, but unfortunately many teams that actually draft go off name recognition, hype, highlight tapes, etc. instead of really evaluating talent (outside of a set of 0 on 1 drills done in their practice gym).

[StPetersburgHoya (Inactive)]

stpetersburghoya said:

theway said:

I think somebody on the board had said that they met Jeff's parents in MSG in New York, and Jeff's father said that the doctor told them that Jeff was still growing and should grow to like 6'11".

In terms of Jeff, I don't pay attention to these dumb mock drafts. They go by the name of the players most of the time, and rarely do they actually evaluate talent. Jeff will be a special player wherever he goes. The thing about Jeff is that his game is boring. Like Tim Duncan. Its not "sexy". But Jeff, like Duncan, does all the little things that help a team win that goes unnoticed to the naked eye. He doesn't just do things that only fill up a box score or make ESPN highlights. That is why Jeff will be successful wherever he goes and his team will have success as well. While everybody raves about Marvin Williams' shoe size, wing span, and "upside" or Rudy Gay's vertical jump, Jeff Green will make more of an impact in the NBA than both those players combined, he just won't be as "sexy" as they are to pick in a mock draft.

Completely agree with you way, but unfortunately many teams that actually draft go off name recognition, hype, highlight tapes, etc. instead of really evaluating talent (outside of a set of 0 on 1 drills done in their practice gym).

That poll also has Oklahoma State who graduated their ENTIRE starting line-up at 17 - I don't think too much research went into this one over the holiday weekend.

[StPetersburgHoya (Inactive)]

Also, after CBS Sports gets a contract to do Big 12 basketball games notice how much undue love the Big 12 gets... I mean seriously, OU is not that good and neither is Texas Tech - I'm not saying that they both shouldn't be in the Top 25 but definitely not in the Top 10.

[kchoya]

Gotta love the U"Con" fans, talking about how Rudy Gay would have gone top 3 this draft, and what a great character he is and how he just wants to win championships:

connecticut.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=1363&tid=54509847&sid=&style=2

[theEDGEfactor]

I think its really funny that they are comparing him to a Ray Allen but taller. I havent seen anything in his game that shows hes as good a shooter as Ray. Rudy cant create his own shot, thank God for Marcus. Ray is the reason for all of his points. If I had to pick between Jeff and Rudy, I would take Jeff in an instant. Jeff can create his own shot, got great range, and can play faceup ball. Rudy is just an in-transition player.

[SFHoya99]

The Ray Allen comparison is awful, but in a draft where Marvin Williams went #2, is Top 3 all that unlikely for Rudy Gay?

[theEDGEfactor]

I dont think Rudy is top-3 but with all of the hype, I think he coulda got it over CP3. Gay got the athleticism just like Marvin and got potential, and with everyone looking for the next TMAC or LJ, they will take a risk on a 6-8 sf that got great athleticism and can bring in the attendance numbers. So, I coulda saw Gay going 3 overall.

[AustinHoya03]

sfhoya99 said:

The Ray Allen comparison is awful, but in a draft where Marvin Williams went #2, is Top 3 all that unlikely for Rudy Gay?

Agreed. Comparing Ray Allen to Rudy Gay is like comparing Danny Ferry's game to Shaquille O'Neal's. Rudy is a quality player, but he's not a Ray Allen-type player.