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Post by EtomicB on Dec 15, 2019 22:34:11 GMT -5
The wonderful thing is that the passing is contagious....27 field goals on 20 assists yesterday was a thing of beauty. That's what is really blowing my mind. The assist numbers are really a function of guys hitting their shots. Guys like Blair and Pickett were terrible 3 point shooters up until 2 weeks ago. Even Mosley was not considered a shooter but rather a defensive specialist. I still can't believe that this will continue but somehow Allen has turned these guys into shooters and the assist numbers are just a result. Did you mean to post about Pickett? Pickett hasn’t been a part of this offensive renaissance these past few games plus his 3pt numbers in his career are definitely not great but they aren’t terrible either... 35% on 250+ attempts isn’t bad...
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Post by jwp91 on Dec 19, 2019 6:52:10 GMT -5
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Post by jwp91 on Dec 19, 2019 6:54:48 GMT -5
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Dec 19, 2019 6:59:39 GMT -5
Not surprised that a pass-first point guard was not highly rated. Boy, is he solid though.
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Post by LCPolo18 on Dec 19, 2019 10:17:58 GMT -5
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Post by SirSaxa on Dec 19, 2019 10:22:48 GMT -5
Thanks LC. Right now given his play for GU, I'd give him 5 STARS!
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Post by TC on Dec 19, 2019 10:41:24 GMT -5
Starting to think that recruiting fifth-year guards from mid-majors and lower is more important to our success than high school recruiting of guards. We're not going to be able to compete with Duke/UNC/Kentucky/etc for top-50 guards in high school. We may be able to outrecruit them for grad-transfer guards.
The ancillary benefits of recruiting more mature 23-year-olds off the court seem huge right now too.
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Post by jwp91 on Dec 19, 2019 10:53:41 GMT -5
If there was a tall, long, pass-first minute-heavy point guard from a winning program known for good fundamentals, i would consider him regardless of stars.
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Post by TC on Dec 19, 2019 11:00:21 GMT -5
If there was a tall, long, pass-first minute-heavy point guard from a winning program known for good fundamentals, i would consider him regardless of stars. You're throwing a lot of conditions in there that I don't think are really necessary ("winning program" being the least necessary). Rodney Pryor transferred in from a 10-22 team.
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Post by jwp91 on Dec 19, 2019 11:27:41 GMT -5
If there was a tall, long, pass-first minute-heavy point guard from a winning program known for good fundamentals, i would consider him regardless of stars. You're throwing a lot of conditions in there that I don't think are really necessary ("winning program" being the least necessary). Rodney Pryor transferred in from a 10-22 team. I intended high school. For example - ignoring the background with Dematha...if they had a 6'3" PG with unimpressive point statistics, but with articles written about him like the Post article I posted earlier, we should maybe look harder next time.
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Post by TC on Dec 19, 2019 11:36:55 GMT -5
You're throwing a lot of conditions in there that I don't think are really necessary ("winning program" being the least necessary). Rodney Pryor transferred in from a 10-22 team. I intended high school. For example - ignoring the background with Dematha...if they had a 6'3" PG with unimpressive point statistics, but with articles written about him like the Post article I posted earlier, we should maybe look harder next time. Recruiting an 18 year old Terrell Allen is not nearly as useful as recruiting a 23-yo Terrell Allen.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Dec 19, 2019 11:45:22 GMT -5
I intended high school. For example - ignoring the background with Dematha...if they had a 6'3" PG with unimpressive point statistics, but with articles written about him like the Post article I posted earlier, we should maybe look harder next time. Recruiting an 18 year old Terrell Allen is not nearly as useful as recruiting a 23-yo Terrell Allen. True to a point😉 But if you recruit him at 18 and develop him, he may not be ready as a freshman, but you get at least a couple of very good years from him as an upperclassman, not just one. Of course if it was easy to identify one- and two-star kids who will develop into Terrell, everyone would do it (well except maybe the blue bloods)
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Post by jwp91 on Dec 19, 2019 11:47:17 GMT -5
I intended high school. For example - ignoring the background with Dematha...if they had a 6'3" PG with unimpressive point statistics, but with articles written about him like the Post article I posted earlier, we should maybe look harder next time. Recruiting an 18 year old Terrell Allen is not nearly as useful as recruiting a 23-yo Terrell Allen. I am not saying that Dante won't be a good player for us, but I am wondering if we should be looking for a different type of guard too. That guard should bring size, defense, and the ability to get others involved. I think we may need to include 18 year old Terrell Allens in our recruiting plans.
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Post by MCIGuy on Dec 19, 2019 12:16:22 GMT -5
And they say Ewing can't recruit from the WCAC.
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Post by TC on Dec 19, 2019 12:20:21 GMT -5
Recruiting an 18 year old Terrell Allen is not nearly as useful as recruiting a 23-yo Terrell Allen. True to a point😉 But if you recruit him at 18 and develop him, he may not be ready as a freshman, but you get at least a couple of very good years from him as an upperclassman, not just one. Of course if it was easy to identify one- and two-star kids who will develop into Terrell, everyone would do it (well except maybe the blue bloods) So you're basically saying we should have signed Sherwyn Devonnish or Ayinde Hikim? It's crazy hard to find one or two star kids who will translate day one into the Big East as 18 year olds, we cannot recruit the 4* guards, and then on top of that you have to wonder whether the freshman will stick, and whether they can acclimate to college, and whether they'll fit in the program. Terrell Allen himself transferred out of Drexel after his freshman year. What's not hard is envisioning how a 22-year-old who has started elsewhere in D1 would translate into a Big East program, and you get the maturity benefits off the court of having someone that has survived college elsewhere already.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2019 12:24:19 GMT -5
Think you have to do both because just inserting Grad transfers isn't sustainable in the long term.
Rodney Pryor was a good player for us but he had the opposite effect on team chemistry that Terrell Allen has had from my understanding of the situation.
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Post by TC on Dec 19, 2019 12:36:07 GMT -5
Think you have to do both because just inserting Grad transfers isn't sustainable in the long term. That's the thing that I'm not so sure about - are we sure this isn't a sustainable strategy? Grad transfer rates keep rising, and 40% of men's college basketball players are out of their program before the end of their sophomore year. Taking freshmen seems like a coin flip at best as to whether they will make it to senior year, but meanwhile, grad transfers offer you the ability to recruit grab already-developed senior guards.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2019 12:39:09 GMT -5
Think you have to do both because just inserting Grad transfers isn't sustainable in the long term. That's the thing that I'm not so sure about - are we sure this isn't a sustainable strategy? Grad transfer rates keep rising, and 40% of men's college basketball players are out of their program before the end of their sophomore year. Taking freshmen seems like a coin flip at best as to whether they will make it to senior year, but meanwhile, grad transfers offer you the ability to recruit grab already-developed senior guards. Well part of the reason Allen is successful is because he's playing with kids that have been in the program a while imo. You still need to build a culture. There's also no guarantee that you land one of those kids, same as a HS recruit. You don't need to land top 40 kids to be successful. There's no reason why Georgetown can't land top 150 kids and develop them. They can also hit the regular transfer market like Iowa St. Then when you sprinkle in a team guy like Allen it's more successful imo.
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Post by TC on Dec 19, 2019 12:46:06 GMT -5
That's the thing that I'm not so sure about - are we sure this isn't a sustainable strategy? Grad transfer rates keep rising, and 40% of men's college basketball players are out of their program before the end of their sophomore year. Taking freshmen seems like a coin flip at best as to whether they will make it to senior year, but meanwhile, grad transfers offer you the ability to recruit grab already-developed senior guards. Well part of the reason Allen is successful is because he's playing with kids that have been in the program a while imo. You still need to build a culture. There's also no guarantee that you land one of those kids same as a HS recruit. You don't need to land top 40 kids to be successful. There's no reason why Georgetown can't land top 150 kids and develop them. Then when you sprinkle in a team guy like Allen it's more successful. My takeaway is that Allen's experience really is the culture - he's successful because he's got a lot of D1 college basketball experience under his belt. There's only three kids (Pickett, Blair, Jagan) that have more than one year of our program under the belt - and that's including walkons. There's not a lot of ingrained Georgetown winning experience that he's interacting with.
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Post by jwp91 on Dec 19, 2019 12:46:18 GMT -5
I think part of this situation is that Allen and Mosely 'fit' well with a high usage, versatile scorer like Mac. They can be complementary pieces to Mac's primary role. And when all 3 'do their thing', it is awesome to watch. Without Mac, this experiment might not be working as well as it is.
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