hoya9797
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Post by hoya9797 on Mar 23, 2019 13:11:32 GMT -5
As long as we are going to continue with this charade that these guys are students and that the scholarship is fair compensation for what they bring to the school, I am curious what they do on the academic side. I’d much prefe that we admit these guys are professional athletes, pay them what they are worth, and let them spend their time at GU - in the classroom and on the court - however they wish.
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Post by LCPolo18 on Mar 23, 2019 13:52:49 GMT -5
I wonder what he’ll major in? His anticipated major at LSU was business.
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Post by s4hoyas on Mar 23, 2019 14:06:21 GMT -5
I read that he was a good student coming out of HS FWIW...
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 23, 2019 14:56:40 GMT -5
As long as we are going to continue with this charade that these guys are students and that the scholarship is fair compensation for what they bring to the school, I am curious what they do on the academic side. I’d much prefe that we admit these guys are professional athletes, pay them what they are worth, and let them spend their time at GU - in the classroom and on the court - however they wish. The thing that’s problematic with this concept is that most guys would be worth less than their scholarships if they were paid as professionals. In such a system the top guys like Zion Williamson would make a ton, and 95% of the thousands of D1 players would make virtually nothing. But to the overall point, I agree the student athletes concept is a charade at a lot of universities.
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Post by hoya9797 on Mar 23, 2019 15:09:26 GMT -5
That’s fine, Zion should make a ton and most of the others shouldn’t. And, if schools want to give guys scholarships that are worth more than the value the player provides, that’s up to them. Or, they could provide fractional scholarships or none. I don’t care. I just care that the guys who are creating all this revenue get their fair share. All these players should be free agents, the schools should offer whatever they think they are worth, and the players can decide where to go. And, none of this should be explicitly tied to academics. If some of the guys want to go to school along with their basketball jobs, that’s cool and they can work out the details with the schools.
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Post by WhatRocks on Mar 23, 2019 17:34:28 GMT -5
That’s fine, Zion should make a ton and most of the others shouldn’t. And, if schools want to give guys scholarships that are worth more than the value the player provides, that’s up to them. Or, they could provide fractional scholarships or none. I don’t care. I just care that the guys who are creating all this revenue get their fair share. All these players should be free agents, the schools should offer whatever they think they are worth, and the players can decide where to go. And, none of this should be explicitly tied to academics. If some of the guys want to go to school along with their basketball jobs, that’s cool and they can work out the details with the schools.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 23, 2019 18:13:15 GMT -5
That’s fine, Zion should make a ton and most of the others shouldn’t. And, if schools want to give guys scholarships that are worth more than the value the player provides, that’s up to them. Or, they could provide fractional scholarships or none. I don’t care. I just care that the guys who are creating all this revenue get their fair share. All these players should be free agents, the schools should offer whatever they think they are worth, and the players can decide where to go. And, none of this should be explicitly tied to academics. If some of the guys want to go to school along with their basketball jobs, that’s cool and they can work out the details with the schools. So why bother with the college system? There is a G League, let players go right out of high school, let them get whatever endorsements they can. The concept of the schools with the richest boosters getting almost all of the best players would be even more of a joke than the current system, but once they remove the one year requirement (which should come in the next year or two) just go pro and the $$$ issues go away.
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Post by bearsandbulls on Mar 23, 2019 18:29:17 GMT -5
Couldn't agree with you more Frazier Fanatic. Let anyone who does not qualify in a rather narrow range of not being a student go to the G league. Now, many would argue that college BB quality would suffer. Maybe so, but those who want to see the pro product can do so. Those who want to see "close to" a true student playing for their school may do so.
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Post by hoya9797 on Mar 23, 2019 19:06:16 GMT -5
That’s fine, Zion should make a ton and most of the others shouldn’t. And, if schools want to give guys scholarships that are worth more than the value the player provides, that’s up to them. Or, they could provide fractional scholarships or none. I don’t care. I just care that the guys who are creating all this revenue get their fair share. All these players should be free agents, the schools should offer whatever they think they are worth, and the players can decide where to go. And, none of this should be explicitly tied to academics. If some of the guys want to go to school along with their basketball jobs, that’s cool and they can work out the details with the schools. So why bother with the college system? There is a G League, let players go right out of high school, let them get whatever endorsements they can. The concept of the schools with the richest boosters getting almost all of the best players would be even more of a joke than the current system, but once they remove the one year requirement (which should come in the next year or two) just go pro and the $$$ issues go away. \ The money issues do not go away as long as the NCAA and schools are making billions off these players while the players do not get paid.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 23, 2019 19:09:59 GMT -5
If the top players all go pro immediately, maybe the money changes and starts to go with them. Then the college system is more of a college system.
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Post by tashoya on Mar 23, 2019 20:02:15 GMT -5
And.. back to Mr. Alexander.
Fit is important and, while I'd have much preferred that Galen had come in and gotten the lay of the land prior to committing, I'm glad to know that he feels that his relationships with the coaches are strong ones and that the relationship with Coach Kirby, especially, is one where he feels that he's got support and someone really looking out for his best interests. It's great too that he's played with Josh. It sounds like he likes playing with him and what he brings.
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Post by blueandgray on Mar 23, 2019 21:14:53 GMT -5
I wonder what he’ll major in? Does this somehow make you feel better about yourself?? Loser!!
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Post by tashoya on Mar 23, 2019 21:29:36 GMT -5
Say what you will about second chances but, in my experience, people that get a second shot and recognize it as such can be hugely valuable and add a type of lift to any team, sports or otherwise, that you can't get from a person on their first go-round. Learning from failures and setbacks isn't something you can teach. Unfortunately for all of us, those lumps and scars you have to earn to learn.
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Mar 24, 2019 7:51:38 GMT -5
Say what you will about second chances but, in my experience, people that get a second shot and recognize it as such can be hugely valuable and add a type of lift to any team, sports or otherwise, that you can't get from a person on their first go-round. Learning from failures and setbacks isn't something you can teach. Unfortunately for all of us, those lumps and scars you have to earn to learn. And while we are talking charades, he was kicked off the team because he wasn't recruited by oh-so-ethical Will Wade. Paintball guerilla warfare is immature and stupid but pretty sure Wade's recruits would face suspension for exactly as many games as it was between now and Kentucky. Zero worries. And if he does something stupid Pat has set the precedent that you're gone so it's on him.
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Post by NCHoya on Mar 24, 2019 8:21:00 GMT -5
That’s fine, Zion should make a ton and most of the others shouldn’t. And, if schools want to give guys scholarships that are worth more than the value the player provides, that’s up to them. Or, they could provide fractional scholarships or none. I don’t care. I just care that the guys who are creating all this revenue get their fair share. All these players should be free agents, the schools should offer whatever they think they are worth, and the players can decide where to go. And, none of this should be explicitly tied to academics. If some of the guys want to go to school along with their basketball jobs, that’s cool and they can work out the details with the schools. So why bother with the college system? There is a G League, let players go right out of high school, let them get whatever endorsements they can. The concept of the schools with the richest boosters getting almost all of the best players would be even more of a joke than the current system, but once they remove the one year requirement (which should come in the next year or two) just go pro and the $$$ issues go away. Exactly, the one and done system has caused so many problems for college basketball. If these guys were just allowed to go pro then they could go get their value. Then it can be up to each player to make that decision for themselves, they can commit to the college system or they could go earn money in the G league if they are good enough.
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Post by smokeyjack on Mar 25, 2019 7:00:43 GMT -5
Nothing Galen said is going to resonate with Duke. We are unfortunately invisible to them at this point. Anybody who wants to smack down a kid for being excited about his new school and the chance to prove himself against serious comp needs to chill. That whole “bulletin board” deal is totally overplayed by the media anyway. Maybe if you come at a particular player, the chirp matters, but absolutely no chance in the manner he did it. Lighten up.
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Post by jpj on Mar 25, 2019 8:40:42 GMT -5
If the top players all go pro immediately, maybe the money changes and starts to go with them. Then the college system is more of a college system. I'd go even further. 1) let any one who wants to go Pro out of high school; Those who can make it in the NBA will do willand the other 95% will end up in the G-League or somewhere overseas 2) those who come to college must stay for at least 2 years as ultimately this helps both the pro game and the college game
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Post by drquigley on Mar 25, 2019 10:02:37 GMT -5
If the top players all go pro immediately, maybe the money changes and starts to go with them. Then the college system is more of a college system. I'd go even further. 1) let any one who wants to go Pro out of high school; Those who can make it in the NBA will do willand the other 95% will end up in the G-League or somewhere overseas 2) those who come to college must stay for at least 2 years as ultimately this helps both the pro game and the college game I'd go even further than that. Restore the Freshman ineligible rule. Make the student athlete actually matriculate for a year before having to endure the grind of big time college athletics. Add all these changes together and it would really encourage - and help - kids who want to be pro basketball players to do so while restoring the integrity of intercollegiate college athletics.
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Post by hoya9797 on Mar 25, 2019 10:39:21 GMT -5
So why bother with the college system? There is a G League, let players go right out of high school, let them get whatever endorsements they can. The concept of the schools with the richest boosters getting almost all of the best players would be even more of a joke than the current system, but once they remove the one year requirement (which should come in the next year or two) just go pro and the $$$ issues go away. Exactly, the one and done system has caused so many problems for college basketball. If these guys were just allowed to go pro then they could go get their value. Then it can be up to each player to make that decision for themselves, they can commit to the college system or they could go earn money in the G league if they are good enough. This is definitely better for the guys who are ready to go pro right away. But, it doesn’t change the fact that the NCAA and schools are making billions off of the unpaid labor. As long as that is true, the system is broken and needs to be overhauled.
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Post by iowa80 on Mar 25, 2019 12:16:57 GMT -5
Exactly, the one and done system has caused so many problems for college basketball. If these guys were just allowed to go pro then they could go get their value. Then it can be up to each player to make that decision for themselves, they can commit to the college system or they could go earn money in the G league if they are good enough. This is definitely better for the guys who are ready to go pro right away. But, it doesn’t change the fact that the NCAA and schools are making billions off of the unpaid labor. As long as that is true, the system is broken and needs to be overhauled. A system based on voluntary participation and the prospect of a valuable education is not broken.
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