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Post by upstatesaxa on Mar 14, 2019 0:16:15 GMT -5
Imagine being the field hockey or soccer coach and you pull into your parking spot and think “Jeez pretty nice S series Mercedes there, Georgie.”
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Post by Elvado on Mar 14, 2019 6:20:35 GMT -5
Such mixed emotions here.
Pride in being such a desirable location mixed with shame at our coach’s involvement.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Mar 14, 2019 7:32:09 GMT -5
If the parents/kids have no consequences, it will just continue in some form. Public shaming alone will not cut it.
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Post by HoyaSC on Mar 14, 2019 7:43:36 GMT -5
The really sad part of this is the high possibility that a qualified potential Hoya in the last four out of the admissions process had to go to Villanova but is now ecstatic he didn't go to Georgetown and is celebrating his two nattys.
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Post by bearsandbulls on Mar 14, 2019 8:03:28 GMT -5
Imagine being the field hockey or soccer coach and you pull into your parking spot and think “Jeez pretty nice S series Mercedes there, Georgie.” One has to be careful with such coupling. Granted a very bad look, but there could be so many reasons for the S series being there (previous high powered job, family inheritance, etc) along with the cheating that went on. All comes under "conformational bias" which is so ugly in our society today. Regardless, the brand is being tarnished, even though the explanations seem to seem rather plausible. Let the guilty parties leave G'town forever.
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Post by Jack on Mar 14, 2019 8:17:57 GMT -5
The really sad part of this is the high possibility that a qualified potential Hoya in the last four out of the admissions process had to go to Villanova but is now ecstatic he didn't go to Georgetown and is celebrating his two nattys. I get the joke being made here, so this is not really a direct response to the comment, but it does echo some of the comments I have seen (never read the comments to newspaper articles is a lesson I have been unable to learn despite 20+ years of evidence) to the effect of "this is why I didn't get in to Georgetown/USC/Stanford." Setting aside the statistics (you and 17,000 others, pal), the fact is these spots were never available to anyone other than a tennis recruit. There is a strong argument for not giving any admissions slots to athletes and treating sports equal to every other extracurricular activity in a holistic admissions review, but at the time these particular kids were being admitted the only people who have a legitimate gripe for being deprived of an opportunity are competitive tennis players who ended up going elsewhere to play and get an education.
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Post by iowa80 on Mar 14, 2019 8:48:13 GMT -5
The really sad part of this is the high possibility that a qualified potential Hoya in the last four out of the admissions process had to go to Villanova but is now ecstatic he didn't go to Georgetown and is celebrating his two nattys. I get the joke being made here, so this is not really a direct response to the comment, but it does echo some of the comments I have seen (never read the comments to newspaper articles is a lesson I have been unable to learn despite 20+ years of evidence) to the effect of "this is why I didn't get in to Georgetown/USC/Stanford." Setting aside the statistics (you and 17,000 others, pal), the fact is these spots were never available to anyone other than a tennis recruit. There is a strong argument for not giving any admissions slots to athletes and treating sports equal to every other extracurricular activity in a holistic admissions review, but at the time these particular kids were being admitted the only people who have a legitimate gripe for being deprived of an opportunity are competitive tennis players who ended up going elsewhere to play and get an education. At least one of the students--unfortunately one of the most prominent ones in the news--is alleged to have used fraudulent test scores, although there may have been a tennis connection as well. It was unclear to me whether this person received a tennis "spot."
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Post by Jack on Mar 14, 2019 8:53:08 GMT -5
I get the joke being made here, so this is not really a direct response to the comment, but it does echo some of the comments I have seen (never read the comments to newspaper articles is a lesson I have been unable to learn despite 20+ years of evidence) to the effect of "this is why I didn't get in to Georgetown/USC/Stanford." Setting aside the statistics (you and 17,000 others, pal), the fact is these spots were never available to anyone other than a tennis recruit. There is a strong argument for not giving any admissions slots to athletes and treating sports equal to every other extracurricular activity in a holistic admissions review, but at the time these particular kids were being admitted the only people who have a legitimate gripe for being deprived of an opportunity are competitive tennis players who ended up going elsewhere to play and get an education. At least one of the students--unfortunately one of the most prominent ones in the news--is alleged to have used fraudulent test scores, although there may have been a tennis connection as well. It was unclear to me whether this person received a tennis "spot." It is somewhat unclear from the information I have read (including the complaints), but I think I read it as her getting a tennis spot. But yes, the cheating on standardized testing part is a different problem that may have bumped out someone from a competitive slot at some point in time.
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Post by LCPolo18 on Mar 14, 2019 10:33:13 GMT -5
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Post by SSHoya on Mar 14, 2019 10:54:08 GMT -5
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Post by iowa80 on Mar 14, 2019 11:09:51 GMT -5
Lotsa luck, kids. I assume representation is by Dewey, Cheatham, and Howe.
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Post by SSHoya on Mar 14, 2019 11:18:38 GMT -5
Lotsa luck, kids. I assume representation is by Dewey, Cheatham, and Howe. Sounds like a loser to me. Like the class actions brought by law students who sued their law schools when there were no jobs for them when they graduated into the recession.
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Post by Jack on Mar 14, 2019 11:54:51 GMT -5
Lotsa luck, kids. I assume representation is by Dewey, Cheatham, and Howe. Sounds like a loser to me. Like the class actions brought by law students who sued their law schools when there were no jobs for them when they graduated into the recession. Among the many problems with this suit, having two students who got in (and attend) Stanford as your class reps is particularly strange. Neither of them claims to have even applied to any of the other schools save Yale and USC, and bizarrely neither claims to have been denied admission to those schools - only that they would not applied in the first place and that they "did not receive a fair admissions consideration process." Clearly a rush by the plaintiffs firm to be the first to file, but it's going to take better plaintiffs than that to get anywhere.
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Post by SSHoya on Mar 14, 2019 12:04:57 GMT -5
Sounds like a loser to me. Like the class actions brought by law students who sued their law schools when there were no jobs for them when they graduated into the recession. Among the many problems with this suit, having two students who got in (and attend) Stanford as your class reps is particularly strange. Neither of them claims to have even applied to any of the other schools save Yale and USC, and bizarrely neither claims to have been denied admission to those schools - only that they would not applied in the first place and that they "did not receive a fair admissions consideration process." Clearly a rush by the plaintiffs firm to be the first to file, but it's going to take better plaintiffs than that to get anywhere. Sounds like lawyers from a small husband and wife PI firm. Note that they proudly trumpet their undergrad alma maters with no mention of where they went to law school. Some small PI forms can be fine but this complaint sounds like it was drafted with very little thought behind it. letipirvine.net/real-estate-commerical-mortgage-broker
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Mar 14, 2019 15:00:22 GMT -5
I have a hard time believing that the students had no knowledge of what their parents had done. More like the parents taking all the blame to protect their kids.
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Post by gav11 on Mar 14, 2019 16:10:44 GMT -5
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Post by aleutianhoya on Mar 14, 2019 16:24:06 GMT -5
Without knowing exactly what was asked and what was answered, this is simply not news. It is highly, highly unusual for any employer to give a negative reference for an employee, unless there's been a formal adjudication proving the basis for that reference. Otherwise, the previous employer, at least in theory, can face liability to the employee. That doesn't mean you lie, obviously. But it does mean you say things like "it's University policy to not comment on issues of that nature." And so on.
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Post by Elvado on Mar 14, 2019 16:38:37 GMT -5
Without knowing exactly what was asked and what was answered, this is simply not news. It is highly, highly unusual for any employer to give a negative reference for an employee, unless there's been a formal adjudication proving the basis for that reference. Otherwise, the previous employer, at least in theory, can face liability to the employee. That doesn't mean you lie, obviously. But it does mean you say things like "it's University policy to not comment on issues of that nature." And so on. Answering anything other than dates of employ is an invitation to trouble.
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Post by iowa80 on Mar 14, 2019 16:41:33 GMT -5
Without knowing exactly what was asked and what was answered, this is simply not news. It is highly, highly unusual for any employer to give a negative reference for an employee, unless there's been a formal adjudication proving the basis for that reference. Otherwise, the previous employer, at least in theory, can face liability to the employee. That doesn't mean you lie, obviously. But it does mean you say things like "it's University policy to not comment on issues of that nature." And so on. Absolutely. And, with all respect to The Voice, we shouldn't hang our hats on the article. The headline says "positive reference," inside the term "did not inform" is used, along with "positive reference check." It seems likely that, when Ernst's termination was negotiated with an attorney, the manner of reference checks was also negotiated. Also, keep in mind that there may be some CYA at work from URI as well.
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Post by bearsandbulls on Mar 15, 2019 8:28:18 GMT -5
Same old, same old with reporting. Do notice Margaret Gach contacted and received quotes from the URI AD. And then to boot included what would be assumed to be G'towns rebuttal but spoken by the URI staff. No investigative reporting to contact G'town athletic department that I see.
So this piece is closer to opinion that fact, and even more closely to CYA for URI. Journalists, do your job. Conformational bias in journalism is absurd.
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