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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Jun 29, 2005 7:59:06 GMT -5
I don't know about you, but I loved seeing many of these high schools kids drop down in the draft or out altogether. I also love seeing early entries who probably won't even make a dent in an NBA roster.
It is unfortunate that leeches suck onto these kids and lead them to believe they are better then they are, but what are they thinking? High school 2's thinking they should get drafted because they played well in a McD's game! The age limit is necessary and I really hope kids go to college and then realize they need a few more years of seasoning.
Bynum, Blatche, Williams and others aren't going to make a difference for at least three years. I was disappointed to see quality three & four year college players dropping on a personal level but loved it for my Pacers who picked up a gem. I really hope the new CBA changes the draft and how kids approach it.
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Post by WilsonBlvdHoya on Jun 29, 2005 8:28:36 GMT -5
Just some no-doubt very superficial, Larry King-esque extra-lite/no-cal nuggets on the draft: 1) How cool is it that the #1 pick chose to prepare for the draft by working out with John "Bay-Bay" Duren?! III and the staff should use that factoid with recruits (ahem, ahem Vernon?!)... 2) Gilchrist is passed over; this exemplifies the latest in a series of bad decisions this young man has made ever since he chose to enroll at UMCP. Hopefully, he'll find a way to make it into the league via try-outs or other routes.... 3) Blatche goes to Wizards; many on this board wanted to see him play in DC (just not for the Wizards!) Here's hoping he's not Kwame Brown, the Sequel! 4) The HS and early entrants did get hit hard this year; may this be a lesson for future players contemplating rash choices. 5) Brandon made a smart, if obvious, move and no doubt had useful counsel. 6) Even though Krauser pulled out of the draft, there is supposedly some doubt about him returning to Pitt (academics or otherwise; he may have some family obligations). Any clarification on this would be helpful.... 7) Shavlik, where are you?
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Post by the_way on Jun 29, 2005 8:36:51 GMT -5
How about Charlotte picking Felton and May. Man, at guess they are thinking about ticket prices because that team won't win anything in the NBA with those 2 players.
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Post by WilsonBlvdHoya on Jun 29, 2005 8:40:28 GMT -5
How about Charlotte picking Felton and May. Man, at guess they are thinking about ticket prices because that team won't win anything in the NBA with those 2 players. Hey, the_way, how about your man Marvin Williams going 2nd?! Imagine where Jeff would have gone! LOL! You and I can agree to disagree on Marvin. Having said that, there's no doubt in my mind that Jeff is among the top 5-10 rising sophs. But Marvin would have been #1 on my list had he stayed in Chapel Hill....
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Post by the_way on Jun 29, 2005 8:53:22 GMT -5
I hear you Wilson. I just needed to see more from Marvin for me. It wasn't like Corey Maggette coming off the bench for Duke his freshman year. To me, you could see Corey was going to be good. With Marvin, I think he was more hype than actual talent. I think Chris Wilcox had a lot more talent than this Marvin Williams kid. I haven't really seen a whole lot of skill level that Williams supposedly has. ACC guys tend to get more hype then they should. I knew Jay Williams was not going to be great pro before his accident. He had all the hype and Duke love. He struggled with the Bulls his first year and was being out-played by Jamal Crawford at the time. Heck, Steve Blake outplayed him everytime they played Maryland. I like the little things Jeff does, that you can't pick up from a box score or "wingspan" lenght that Jay Bilas likes to harp on. But we will see. I don't think anyone on that Carolina team will be impact players in the league.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Jun 29, 2005 9:28:44 GMT -5
Did you also notice how Dickie V was hyping how great of a draft the bobcats had? This guy is so slanted towards the ACC that he is officially the Karl Rove of the ACC. Is he getting paid by the commish???
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Jun 29, 2005 9:30:38 GMT -5
Marvin Williams is a freaky athlete at 6'9" who shot over 40% from the college three. He will be an impact player in the NBA.
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Post by the_way on Jun 29, 2005 9:57:28 GMT -5
Marvin Williams is a freaky athlete at 6'9" who shot over 40% from the college three. He will be an impact player in the NBA. Sounds like somebody has been sipping on that Jay Bilas Kool-Aid a bit much.
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Post by FOTP on Jun 29, 2005 10:16:55 GMT -5
I actually think Williams is a great athlete, but will be a bust...and here's why...
He doesn't really care that much about basketball. It's pretty obvious. Maybe the switch will come on, but certainly not in Atlanta.
I heard the Bucks asked him about the NBA playoffs and he said he's never watched the playoffs and really doesn't watch much basketball on TV.
I know this may sound superficial, but it means a lot to me if I have the top pick. I want a guy who wants it really badly and wants to prove himself each night.
This is why I really liked Paul, Williams and Bogut actually. Those guys will compete.
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Post by WilsonBlvdHoya on Jun 29, 2005 10:18:43 GMT -5
Nah, the_way, what convinced me was the Sweet 16 game against Nova. He was a beast in that first half and really looked like a man among boys (which is saying a lot with Sean May's physique out there!). He did everything: stroke threes, rebound, pass and go coast-to-coast for a vicious one-handed dunk which ended in him taking off from about 12 feet away. He's got sweet potential (a la Jeff) but time will tell....
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Post by MCIGuy on Jun 29, 2005 11:49:39 GMT -5
I actually think Williams is a great athlete, but will be a bust...and here's why... He doesn't really care that much about basketball. It's pretty obvious. Maybe the switch will come on, but certainly not in Atlanta. I heard the Bucks asked him about the NBA playoffs and he said he's never watched the playoffs and really doesn't watch much basketball on TV. I'll take it a step further. In an interview he did on ESPN Radio the night before the draft he said that when he watched the NBA he noticed that the NBA players don't play as hard as the college kids do. He also said that the NBA players play a game of isolation and that college players play more as a team. If he indeed hasn't watched much if any of the NBA that explains everything. He is getting all of his info fed to him probably by college basketball lovers who despise the NBA. I'm sure he can find a lot of those types in ACC country. The kid sounds like a nice, humble man, but if he thinks the NBA players don't play ahrd he's a fool. Its one thing for NBA bashers to say that as well as say that the NBA players only really start playing in the last two minutes of the game . But for a guy who has to actually play in the league to think such a thing is nuts. And if he believes that there isn't any teamwork at the pro level he is about to get another rude awakening. I'm now hoping that this kid gets exposed and gets his head handed to him for a couple of years. Anyway not only did the high school kids take a hit but so did the international players. Some guy, who was an expert on all levels of basketball, went on HoopScoopOnRadio this Sunday and said that the NBA's infatuation with foreign players had essentially ended. Of course the NBA was still going to draft the great foreign prospects but no longer waste so many first round picks on internatioanl guys who end up never playing. He appeared to be of the opinion that even if the new age limit had not been put in place, NBA scouts were leaning back towards looking at college players to fill the vast majority of their draft selections. Up to that time I had never heard anyone say this (especially considering all the recent talk about the foreign players on the Spurs). However it looks like that guy may be right after all. Some of the commentators working the ESPN draft echoed his sentiments after seeing the players selected last night.
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Post by TBird41 on Jun 29, 2005 12:02:58 GMT -5
Did you also notice how Dickie V was hyping how great of a draft the bobcats had? This guy is so slanted towards the ACC that he is officially the Karl Rove of the ACC. Is he getting paid by the commish??? Yeah, I did. He did it during his analysis of Danny Granger. Two sentences about Granger, then right back to talking about May and Felton and Bickerstaff's draft.
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Post by FOTP on Jun 29, 2005 12:27:05 GMT -5
May God strike me down, but I actually thought Vitale was the best he's ever been at the draft. Granted he does do his ACC rah rah garbage, but I thought he was mildly insightful rather than just yelling at the tv. I think he was tired...up too late for the old man.
I'm not saying he was good, but at least bearable.
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Post by HoyaFanNY on Jun 29, 2005 13:07:55 GMT -5
listening to dukie vitale, steven a(hole) smith and stuart scott made me ill. none make any sense when they talk and vitale and smith trash every pick except when one of their favorites is picked. bilas is the only one that made any logical points through the entire show, the rest just like listening to themselves talk.
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Post by JohnJacquesLayup on Jun 29, 2005 13:12:49 GMT -5
May God strike me down, but I actually thought Vitale was the best he's ever been at the draft. Granted he does do his ACC rah rah garbage, but I thought he was mildly insightful rather than just yelling at the tv. I think he was tired...up too late for the old man. I'm not saying he was good, but at least bearable. Except for the part where he said there are no "impact" foreign players in the NBA during his rant for teams to start drafting high schoolers. 3 of the starting 5 on the current champs are from lands other than the U.S. And did he forget that the Utah Jazz exist? My god, what a dope.
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Post by FOTP on Jun 29, 2005 14:28:38 GMT -5
His point was correct though.
I think he was saying that Interntational players are fine and they are great and all, but over the past 3-4 years teams have been overhyping international players and they haven't panned out. Clearly these guys are doing well, but when you look back at some of the more successful guys like AK47, Ginobli, Parker they all were drafted late and had significant pro experience before coming over. He was merely ripping on the Tsihivllsallaslslsl(whatever his name is) of the world.
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Post by millerj9 on Jun 29, 2005 15:41:57 GMT -5
I was listening to the draft in the background while finishing up work last night and chuckled at Jerry West's comments after the Grizzlies selected Warrick from Syracuse. Did anyone hear West reference how important Warrick was to PRINCETON!!? I guess the orange unis were the cause of confusion. What a dope! Seems like a few 'Cuse fans are a little upset: syracuse.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=1369&mid=54478675&sid=937&tid=54478675&style=1&Reset=
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Post by the_way on Jun 29, 2005 16:11:43 GMT -5
I was listening to the draft in the background while finishing up work last night and chuckled at Jerry West's comments after the Grizzlies selected Warrick from Syracuse. Did anyone hear West reference how important Warrick was to PRINCETON!!? I guess the orange unis were the cause of confusion. What a dope! Seems like a few 'Cuse fans are a little upset: syracuse.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=1369&mid=54478675&sid=937&tid=54478675&style=1&Reset=It had to be the uni's because Princeton doesn't offer Warrick's degree in "retail sales". Yeah, I heard West say that. At first I did a double take, but it was quite clear he said that. I was laughing so hard I was almost crying when he said that. But the look on Hakim's face when he slipped to # 19 in the draft. He looked like he wanted to kill somebody he was so upset. Stuart Scott was trying to cheer him up by saying well you had to prove yourself coming out of high school, looks like you will have to do the same thing to all the teams that passed you by in the draft. Warrick said that is the story of his life, but he was steaming, to say the least.
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Post by DrumsGoBang on Jun 29, 2005 16:45:26 GMT -5
I love the NBA draft, because it means new episodes of MTV cribs.
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Post by JimmyHoya on Jun 29, 2005 17:46:22 GMT -5
I hear you Wilson. I just needed to see more from Marvin for me. It wasn't like Corey Maggette coming off the bench for Duke his freshman year. To me, you could see Corey was going to be good. With Marvin, I think he was more hype than actual talent. I think Chris Wilcox had a lot more talent than this Marvin Williams kid. I haven't really seen a whole lot of skill level that Williams supposedly has. ACC guys tend to get more hype then they should. I knew Jay Williams was not going to be great pro before his accident. He had all the hype and Duke love. He struggled with the Bulls his first year and was being out-played by Jamal Crawford at the time. Heck, Steve Blake outplayed him everytime they played Maryland. I like the little things Jeff does, that you can't pick up from a box score or "wingspan" lenght that Jay Bilas likes to harp on. But we will see. I don't think anyone on that Carolina team will be impact players in the league. 1. Marvin Williams > Wilcox no matter how you shape it. What are Wilcox's talents besides being an athletic freak of nature? He was like Jeff Green, minus the sweet jump shot. Wilcox isn't even Charlie Villenueva, he just happens to play a lot harder. 2. Last time I checked, Steve Blake never lead his team almost SINGLE HANDEDLY to a victory over Duke at Duke despite being down 9 with 1:11 left to play. You're being ridiculous. The ONLY time Stve Blake ever pulled something over Williams was whe he stole the ball during that 1 on 1 right before the half during their first match up in 2002. ONLY time. ....that said, I like the Bogut pick. You won't find another Andrew Bogut, but you can find 2-3 Marvin Williams Clones in every draft. He'll contribute right away. Hakim Warrick is in a great spot will be able to do everything he did last year because of those 39 foot wingspan.
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