SirSaxa
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Post by SirSaxa on Jun 27, 2005 14:07:56 GMT -5
It has been reported that Jeremiah Rivers had a 40 time of 4.3. That is amazing, and I was wondering if anyone knows what Iverson's time was in the 40. As a HS football star, he must have had a 40 time done somewhere along the road?
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Post by RBHoya on Jun 27, 2005 14:26:22 GMT -5
That's crazy. That's faster than a lot of NFL Wide receivers. I'm sure it was done on hardwood rather than turf of some sort, but 4.3 is still a SICK 40 time.
Sorry I dont have the Iverson info though.
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Post by nychoya3 on Jun 27, 2005 14:31:26 GMT -5
It's only fair to add the modifier, self-reported. 40 times are thrown around all the time, but they're typically pretty unofficial, and hand timed. Unless you get it at a combine kind of event, I wouldn't put too much weight on it. Let's just say he's fast, and I've read elsewhere that Rivers is a very good athlete, much better than people realize.
As for Iverson, same caveats apply, but I'm sure it was extremely fast. AI is as gifted an athlete as I've ever seen, but he probably stands out as more quick than fast. I mean, there may be some guys who can run with him, but no one can stay in front of him. Still, people who saw Vick and AI in high school have said that AI was the better quarterback, so that says a lot. There's not a sport on the planet that Alan couldn't excell at, if he applied himself.
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Post by the_way on Jun 27, 2005 14:47:10 GMT -5
I don't know if it was mention about 40 times. I heard he had like around a 44 inch vertical jump. I saw some highlights of iverson in football where he ran back punts and kickoffs. He was super fast. He reminded me of Deion Sanders on the field. He looked taller than 6'0 on the field as well. I think Iverson is faster than he is quick. North to South, there was nobody faster. I think when he injured his ankle is freshman year, it slowed him down and made him realize he can't outrun the team to have an effective fast break. There would be times he would literally be past half-court all by himself and everybody was still laggin behind. As time went on he was less kamikaze. Iverson is quicker than most people, but he is more fast than he is quick.
For those who are interested, Jordan ran a 4.3 40 time. Deion Sanders ran a 4.21.
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Post by FOTP on Jun 27, 2005 14:50:37 GMT -5
I remember in teh day he was clocked in the 4.3 range. All the colleges wanted him as a cornerback...he wanted to play QB though if he played 2 sports in college. I remember he was deciding between UVA and UNC to play both sports before his legal issues.
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Post by MCIGuy on Jun 27, 2005 14:58:37 GMT -5
I remember in teh day he was clocked in the 4.3 range. All the colleges wanted him as a cornerback...he wanted to play QB though if he played 2 sports in college. I remember he was deciding between UVA and UNC to play both sports before his legal issues. I heard it was Florida State. Some said Notre Dame (I'm serious). Others said Maryland because of his friendship with Joe Smith who was a teammate of his on Boo Williams. By the way has any other AAU team had two overall number one picks on its roster at the same time? Smith was the #1 draft pick of '95 and AI was #1 for '96.
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Post by the_way on Jun 27, 2005 15:01:14 GMT -5
Also, it is to be mentioned. A lot of guys have game speed as well. Some guys clock good 40 times but you never see it in the games. Some guys clock average times, but are fast during the games. Vick runs faster than his 40 times in the game. Deion Sanders caught Ron Brown for the Rams from behind during a kickoff return. Ron Brown was a former Olympic Sprinter. Deion also cought Don Bebe from behind during a kickoff return. Don Bebe ran a 4.3. Former Washington Redskins wide receiver Michael Westbrook ran like a 4.35. But he never translated that speed to the field. So, although Iverson may have had a 4.3 40 time, his game speed in football and basketball was a lot faster.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Jun 27, 2005 15:02:06 GMT -5
Iverson's time had to be b/t 4.2-4.4. I can't imagine him being any "slower" than 4.4 in his time. The athlete he reminds me of most in some ways, b/c of the quickness/ change of direction ability, is Barry Sanders, who ran a 4.26.
I would love to get an old game tape of him playing football. A lot of people say football was his best sport.
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Post by the_way on Jun 27, 2005 15:05:05 GMT -5
Iverson's time had to be b/t 4.2-4.4. I can't imagine him being any "slower" than 4.4 in his time. The athlete he reminds me of most in some ways, b/c of the quickness/ change of direction ability, is Barry Sanders, who ran a 4.26. I would love to get an old game tape of him playing football. A lot of people say football was his best sport. If you watch the Iverson DVD, they have some football highlight clips on there, and I think there is a bonus section about his football career in high school. It was amazing. The man outran everybody. He looked like Deion Sanders out there,high-stepping and everything.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Jun 27, 2005 15:24:24 GMT -5
I only wish Thompson would have let him play for the hoyas. At the time we were in the MAAC and we would have been able to take the title at least the two years he was there.
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Post by JimmyHoya on Jun 27, 2005 15:59:27 GMT -5
I heard he had like around a 44 inch vertical jump. When watching the ESPN Sportscentury bio of Iverson, it was his leaping that impressed me most. The guy looked like he was 5 foot nothing, smallest, skinniest kid on the court for sure with shoes that looked 4 sizes too big and a jersey barely staying on his shoulders and he was doing reverse two hand slams! I always knew he could jump, but these were some ridiculous hops from his HS days! I grew more appreciative of his speed watching recent Hoya game film though...but it didn't blow me away like these dunking clips did.
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Post by the_way on Jun 27, 2005 16:10:56 GMT -5
I heard he had like around a 44 inch vertical jump. When watching the ESPN Sportscentury bio of Iverson, it was his leaping that impressed me most. The guy looked like he was 5 foot nothing, smallest, skinniest kid on the court for sure with shoes that looked 4 sizes too big and a jersey barely staying on his shoulders and he was doing reverse two hand slams! I always knew he could jump, but these were some ridiculous hops from his HS days! I grew more appreciative of his speed watching recent Hoya game film though...but it didn't blow me away like these dunking clips did. On the DVD, he had this one alleyoop dunk in High School that he caught with one hand and slamed it in. The pass was off the mark but he was so high and stretched his arm long enough to catch it that it was so amazing. For a seven-footer to do that would be impressive, but for a guy under 6 feet is beyond amazing. I remember in the NCAA tournament against Texas Tech he did two dunks that were the same, but for his size was unbelievable. He would take the ball from the side, cross his man up, scoot to the basketball, and then just go up with one-hand like it was nothing and ram it in. Usually guys his size could never do that, only guys 6'7 or taller. But he did it with such ease. I mean we ran plays for him to catch alley-oop dunks. Most guys that size can barely dunk or can only dunk with a running head start. Iverson would dunk like a guy 6'10", like it was nothing.
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Post by SirSaxa on Jun 27, 2005 16:38:11 GMT -5
TD returns.
In HS, he had a bunch of kick/punt returns for TDs his final year. Before giving the number, I will readily admit I can't vouch for my memory, except to say I was amazed at how many he had in one season. I mean, how many games are there in a HS season anyway? WIth that huge caveat, I'll venture that it was at least 6 and maybe as many as 10. Someone here... probably the_way ... will undoubtedly know that "answer"!
As for the NFL, my guess is it would have been tough for him to get a shot as QB at only 6'0 (if that). BUt I bet he would have been unbelievable. In my estimation, he is the quickest athlete I have ever seen in any sport. Barry Sanders was a good comparison... another amazing guy. Too bad he didn't play for better teams.
Thanks for the info on his 40 times. And yes, Jeremiah's time was "self reported". Nonetheless, it is probably fairly accurate.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jun 27, 2005 16:41:40 GMT -5
Rivers' time is probably a little quick. I think one guy ran a true 4.3 40 at the NFL combine this year. Or maybe gym times are faster than turf times.
Either way, if you're gonna claim a "4.3 40," you're probably gonna be pretty fast.
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Post by aggypryd on Jun 27, 2005 19:19:55 GMT -5
I had two guys on my high school track team that ran 4.2 in the 40...
Iverson looks like he's about that fast...4.3 at the slowest...
If you've never seen 4.2 speed live and in person, believe me when I tell you, you probably won't be able to do anything but shake your head in disbelief...
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Post by HoyaNJ5 on Jun 27, 2005 21:14:54 GMT -5
As someone has already stated, 40 times are often exaggerated at the high school level for purposes of college recruiting. All these guys who claimed to have run 4.2s and 4.3s in high school often get a lot slower once they run the 40 at the combine. If you look at the numbers from the NFL combine, a low 4.3 is almost unheard of. You might have one or two players at most running at that time. If someone can run a low 4.4, then they are considered to be more than fast enough to be an NFL corner or wide receiver. So, if someone claims that they ran a 4.3, I usually take that to be a 4.5.
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Post by NRC900 on Jun 27, 2005 21:40:22 GMT -5
As someone has already stated, 40 times are often exaggerated at the high school level for purposes of college recruiting. All these guys who claimed to have run 4.2s and 4.3s in high school often get a lot slower once they run the 40 at the combine. If you look at the numbers from the NFL combine, a low 4.3 is almost unheard of. You might have one or two players at most running at that time. If someone can run a low 4.4, then they are considered to be more than fast enough to be an NFL corner or wide receiver. So, if someone claims that they ran a 4.3, I usually take that to be a 4.5. Bottom line though, that's still fast. Even if they thought they could realistically exaggerate him into a 4.3, that means he's gotta be pretty fast.
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Post by JimmyHoya on Jun 27, 2005 21:47:23 GMT -5
Yeah, I wouldn't be too disappointed...I mean, I guess it would be a bummer if he was only a 4.4, but....
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Post by HoyaNJ5 on Jun 27, 2005 22:05:11 GMT -5
As someone has already stated, 40 times are often exaggerated at the high school level for purposes of college recruiting. All these guys who claimed to have run 4.2s and 4.3s in high school often get a lot slower once they run the 40 at the combine. If you look at the numbers from the NFL combine, a low 4.3 is almost unheard of. You might have one or two players at most running at that time. If someone can run a low 4.4, then they are considered to be more than fast enough to be an NFL corner or wide receiver. So, if someone claims that they ran a 4.3, I usually take that to be a 4.5. Bottom line though, that's still fast. Even if they thought they could realistically exaggerate him into a 4.3, that means he's gotta be pretty fast. I'm definitely not implying that the kid is not fast. All I'm saying is that there are few people, i.e., Randy Moss who actually run a 4.2 or 4.3 forty-yard dash. Most people like to exaggerate though.
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Post by 2ndRyan on Jun 27, 2005 22:39:21 GMT -5
Comcast SportsNet (philadelphia) had a tape of an Iverson high school game-may have been Virginia State Championship. I recall a great punt return- he just outraced everybody to the end zone.
Same station also had footage of Donovan McNabb playing hoops for SUcks
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