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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2018 16:28:58 GMT -5
That's not true though. We have got points off our PNR action. Question: Where is Jessie most comfortable? Pick and roll (hard dive to the basket), pick and pop, or pick and post? 1-3 Our offense is more pick and probe than pick and roll right now. In those instances he has the ability to hold his dribble in the paint, and keep pressure on the defense. That allows for late dump downs to the screener at the rim. 14:30 mark first half of the USF game is an example of this. I think you will recognize that to be a familiar play and result for the Hoyas this year. The only player that does do a hard dive to the basket is Josh since he has the speed quickness and explosiveness to finish over defenders at the rim but he's not a go to guy. Other factors are when you go 4 flat to high pnr, you have 2 non shooters on the court that defenses have been playing off of (Mourning/Leblanc + Mac). If Mourning is in the corner his man is in protecting the rim. Example would be McClung drive and tear drop on the baseline (16 minute mark 1st half )in the USF game but if you watch again that was part of their defensive strategy overall. Both Mac's and Trey's defenders where basically in zone coverage. One player they are not laying off is Pickett from what I've seen, could be wrong I guess. Once he gets more comfortable and the game slows down for him you will see a different player in some ways than what your evaluating right now. He's young, he's forcing the issue a bit at times, but based on what I've seen in the past it's not something foreign to his skill set imo. What I see with James is that he's not very comfortable guiding his defender into a pick/rubbing off one, and that he's not very aggressive coming off of them. He has a tendency to take them slowly and to back up and float, and that gives the opposition D a ton of time to recover. There's no doubt that it isn't all his fault. But it's still true we get very little off of that action compared to most teams. I'm sure he'll get better at it; that was actually my point. But right now he's much more comfortable lining his man up one on one and driving than using the PnR. I guess, but you said he "really can't run the pnr" which is different than he needs to use better angles coming off it. Think that comes down more to film instruction and player instruction than inability imo. Personally think it's more about taking what the defense gives you than looking to penetrate off the pnr every time. Straight pnr offense isn't really that efficient, especially at the college level. Think as he gets more experienced in how college defenses are going to defend us he will begin to embrace the secondary options and start to spray that thing around. I don't think he has the size to attack the paint consistently and finish over bigger players although he does have a nice floater in his back pocket.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2018 16:42:20 GMT -5
It's comforting after all these years to be reminded that we can play like garbage against USF and win.
I guess.
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Post by hoyainla on Nov 19, 2018 17:25:07 GMT -5
If you don't believe the team is better when he is in then fine. Just know the advanced stats strongly disagree with you. For instance in this game his ORtg was 164 and his DRtg was 80 which is insane. For the year he has the 4th best ORtg/DRtg differential and his DRtg is the lowest on the team. His BPM is 3rd, his PER is 4th and his WS/40 is 4th. Malinowski has played 52 minutes total in scattered appearances off the bench. I'm no advanced analytics guru but don't you have any concerns about sample size issues here? When basically the entire team is a small sample size you have to go with what you have. I would like to see him get the chance to get to the levels of others to see what happens.
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Post by saxagael on Nov 19, 2018 17:58:52 GMT -5
So odd, I don't have that option in any browser. I get the play by play history, including timeouts, but no check-in and check-out of the game info. A couple years back it was in their data feed, but they didn't display it and I had a script that could pull it and show the full content of the play by play feed. The NCAA also now has a historical play-by-play, but it is missing the check-in and out notifications as well. Looking at other games from Sunday many of the games have the line-up changes (either check-in and out or a list of the line-up after a change). The play by play with check-in and check-out is on guhoyas.com. There is a horizontal menu above the box score and one of the choices is "Play-By-Play". Here is the actual link for the SFU game: guhoyas.com/boxscore.aspx?id=12549&path=mbball#play-by-play. Thank you! It took trying three more browsers to get that bar to show up (Chrome worked) and all others had that horizontal bar hidden under the bar above it.
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Post by saxagael on Nov 19, 2018 18:08:16 GMT -5
Leblanc as best player is going to squarely be in the "How good is Draymond Green / Clint Capela / Rudy Gobert" discussion area. I think he's a long, long, long way away from being much more than a finisher at the rim. I know people say he has more of a shot than we think and more of a handle ... but I'm going to wait to see that. He's our best defensive player already and our most efficient scorer. But it's tough to label a guy as best player when you can't get a bucket out of him at command. It's an interesting discussion. Akinjo will be the late game guy on offense, but without Leblanc's offensive boards or defensive play it wouldn't be close for others to shine with the ball. Leblanc was showing a decent 3 shot this summer and good pull-up mid-range jumper. The handle I haven't seen other than good control in a straight line getting to the basket changing hands and moving cross. He keeps the ball tight when dribbling (something Pickett needs to master as his next challenge). His rebounding on both ends is going to be a big game changer as we don't have that elsewhere and it is desperately needed at the level Leblanc provides. His putbacks and ability to go up and get the ball in off the glass or dunking is a breath of fresh air. Leblanc also knows how to set a pick that gets contact (this isn't hard and something middle school players get drilled on and master at that age). His ability to pass in tight spaces and finish at the rim could make him a really good pairing with Akinjo for PnR. Now just patience and time to get there.
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Post by EtomicB on Nov 19, 2018 20:13:55 GMT -5
What I see with James is that he's not very comfortable guiding his defender into a pick/rubbing off one, and that he's not very aggressive coming off of them. He has a tendency to take them slowly and to back up and float, and that gives the opposition D a ton of time to recover. There's no doubt that it isn't all his fault. But it's still true we get very little off of that action compared to most teams. I'm sure he'll get better at it; that was actually my point. But right now he's much more comfortable lining his man up one on one and driving than using the PnR. I guess, but you said he "really can't run the pnr" which is different than he needs to use better angles coming off it. Think that comes down more to film instruction and player instruction than inability imo. Personally think it's more about taking what the defense gives you than looking to penetrate off the pnr every time. Straight pnr offense isn't really that efficient, especially at the college level. Think as he gets more experienced in how college defenses are going to defend us he will begin to embrace the secondary options and start to spray that thing around. I don't think he has the size to attack the paint consistently and finish over bigger players although he does have a nice floater in his back pocket. Agreed, it concerns me that PE has the team running it so often...
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Nov 19, 2018 22:20:35 GMT -5
I think we are selling these teams short. College basketball programs can no longer be looked at through the lens of programs that have traditionally been "very beatable" programs. All of these schools--coaches--want to remake these programs; and they want that marque win. This lineup of teams in the Jamaican Classic are way better than what I thought going in. We are a potentially good team. growing up is sometimes painful and ugly. This may be wishful thinking. USF was picked last in the AAC this year. Not wishful thinking at all. Do you really think these prognosticators can be relied on to give us a true picture of where these teams will end up? Preseason rankings are just someone's reasoned opinion. they themselves might be making the same mistake as I outlined above.
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Nov 19, 2018 22:23:36 GMT -5
I'm chalking up our not so stellar performances in Jamaica to all of those spicy beef patties are guys consumed.
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Post by bostonfan on Nov 20, 2018 8:52:36 GMT -5
I guess, but you said he "really can't run the pnr" which is different than he needs to use better angles coming off it. Think that comes down more to film instruction and player instruction than inability imo. Personally think it's more about taking what the defense gives you than looking to penetrate off the pnr every time. Straight pnr offense isn't really that efficient, especially at the college level. Think as he gets more experienced in how college defenses are going to defend us he will begin to embrace the secondary options and start to spray that thing around. I don't think he has the size to attack the paint consistently and finish over bigger players although he does have a nice floater in his back pocket. Agreed, it concerns me that PE has the team running it so often... Not sure I agree that pick and roll is not effective in college. I see a lot of teams using it and having success. What I have seen from the Hoyas is a lot of high pick and roll, where the screen is set above the top of the key, and I am not sure that plays really well into the strength of the team. It does help Akinjo get some space from his defender, but it leaves a long way for our bigs to roll before they get to the rim. Jessie is really skilled but he is not the quickest or most explosive athlete, he has more success with his bulk, strength and hands near the rim. I would not mind seeing them start to run some more wing pick and roll, where they start that action at the elbow. I think it might give them some better opportunities to feed the big guys as they roll. I think the high pick and roll can be effective with Jessie popping for an open three sometimes so I would not eliminate it, just mix it up a little I think Akinjo (or even Mac or Jagan) is crafty enough to use that wing screen and either find his offense or find the correct pass. The closer to the rim you get, it brings more defensive bodies toward the play and in some cases Akinjo has struggled with the length of defenders near the rim and finding a way to get the pass to his teammates but I think he will figure that out. The staff runs a lot of of NBA type sets, which I am Ok with, but I would like to see a little more diversity in what they run to keep everyone involved and to keep the defense guessing a little.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Nov 22, 2018 13:12:49 GMT -5
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