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Post by Ranch Dressing on Aug 20, 2019 10:23:05 GMT -5
All I know is that James + Mac + Josh = Fantastic Hoya Nucleus
Add three lumps of Yurt, QDub, and Tim-Iggy.
Sprinkle in a combination of Pickett, Myron, and Galen.
Finally, a pinch of Terrell, Blair, Jagan, and Wilson.
Now that's a damn good recipe.
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Post by CTHoya08 on Aug 20, 2019 10:59:33 GMT -5
I think it's certainly possible to think that Leblanc was "better" but that Akinjo was "more important."
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Aug 20, 2019 11:14:26 GMT -5
I could see someone making this argument based on his advanced numbers, but why do you think Big East Coaches disagree with you? I would guess he reason is they're looking at role, responsibility, and importance to the team. I don't think you can say one is "clearly" better when the roles, and what's asked of the player are so different. Does Akinjo have more impact in the sense of affecting others on the team? Definitely, in the sense that he's got the ball in his hands more, and as a result, he often directs the flow of the offense, who gets the ball (including LeBlanc!). So in that sense, I agree he's more impactful. So is it apples to oranges to some degree? Yes, so I get where you're coming from. Akinjo was a top freshman guard, and usually guards tend to make a nice jump in their sophomore years, so it's very well possible that his impact and importance will be even greater this year. Clearly, Ewing trusts Akinjo so I expect he will continue to see a lot of time (along with McClung and LeBlanc). All that being said, my opinion is that LeBlanc did a better/more complete job at his position. And sure, maybe what he was tasked to do was "easier" than Akinjo, but purely based on individual performance, LeBlanc had fewer weak spots. But again, they are all good!
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Post by hoyazeke on Aug 20, 2019 11:41:33 GMT -5
This is an interesting topic because it's difficult to really know the answer. Better player to me is Akinjo but more important/valuable can easily be LeBlanc...I used to have this debate with Otto and Brilly. IMO Brilly was the most important player in that recruiting class but Otto was clearly the better player...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2019 11:54:25 GMT -5
I could see someone making this argument based on his advanced numbers, but why do you think Big East Coaches disagree with you? I would guess he reason is they're looking at role, responsibility, and importance to the team. I don't think you can say one is "clearly" better when the roles, and what's asked of the player are so different. Does Akinjo have more impact in the sense of affecting others on the team? Definitely, in the sense that he's got the ball in his hands more, and as a result, he often directs the flow of the offense, who gets the ball (including LeBlanc!). So in that sense, I agree he's more impactful. So is it apples to oranges to some degree? Yes, so I get where you're coming from. Akinjo was a top freshman guard, and usually guards tend to make a nice jump in their sophomore years, so it's very well possible that his impact and importance will be even greater this year. Clearly, Ewing trusts Akinjo so I expect he will continue to see a lot of time (along with McClung and LeBlanc). All that being said, my opinion is that LeBlanc did a better/more complete job at his position. And sure, maybe what he was tasked to do was "easier" than Akinjo, but purely based on individual performance, LeBlanc had fewer weak spots. But again, they are all good! I don't think it's that he has fewer weaker spots. I think it's that he wasn't asked to do things he's weak at imo. I guess that's basically my point. That's why I find it difficult to say Josh was clearly better. He played great in his role, but his role was very limited, and limited to the areas he excels in. On an average night James was asked to run the team. Get buckets for himself. Create buckets for the other guys. Oh, and btw guard Shamorie Ponds on the other end. If you take away the context you can say Kaleb Johnson was better than James, and I think that's a tough argument to make even though his advanced stats were clearly better. Either way, I love Josh. I agree, they all are terrific. They're all very important to our success, and my objection is mostly with the "clearly" better part tbh..
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Post by SirSaxa on Aug 20, 2019 12:04:53 GMT -5
You know what I like about this thread? Hoya fans are advocating for which of our three fab frosh were better, best, most valuable, and "clearly better". When did we last have this luxury?
I am happy all three kids are on the team and got the program moving in a very positive direction. BTW, each helped the others be more successful by what they contributed individually to the team's success. I wonder how many more names we can add to this discussion as the year unfolds? Omer? Jamorko? others? Pat is assembling some serious talent!
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Post by jester on Aug 20, 2019 13:54:54 GMT -5
All I know is that James + Mac + Josh = Fantastic Hoya Nucleus Add three lumps of Yurt, QDub, and Tim-Iggy. Sprinkle in a combination of Pickett, Myron, and Galen. Finally, a pinch of Terrell, Blair, Jagan, and Wilson. Now that's a damn good recipe. I think there def is a pretty high floor on my expectations - just because our nucleus should be same/better, we have experienced options to go to, and most of all I think (some) addition by subtraction - perhaps Yurt more consistent than Govan, there were a lot of bad shots (points we left on board) by Mac and Trey Mourning last year, and Kaleb, while strong complementary piece, we might have more production with roster behind Pickett when it is all said and done. That said, I expected a lot more out of Hoyas given improvement during the season during the post-season, and while Harvard wasn't shabby/NIT was a nominal accomplishment, loss to them left me a bit sour. Hoping it did for the team too.
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Post by centercourt400s on Nov 6, 2019 22:54:04 GMT -5
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Post by prhoya on Nov 6, 2019 23:21:37 GMT -5
Looking forward to Josh taking it out on our next opponent...
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Post by DownTownJoeyBrown on Nov 6, 2019 23:32:18 GMT -5
Looking forward to Josh taking it out on our next opponent... Phew! One game we can live with. Could have used his intensity out there in the first half tonight.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Nov 6, 2019 23:56:30 GMT -5
Patrick in the post game presser did, unfortunately, say “we’ll see” about next game.
But hopefully this was a one time thing.
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Post by richfame on Nov 7, 2019 6:32:12 GMT -5
Patrick in the post game presser did, unfortunately, say “we’ll see” about next game. But hopefully this was a one time thing. As a parent we’ll see always meant NO. Ha.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Nov 7, 2019 8:24:31 GMT -5
Patrick in the post game presser did, unfortunately, say “we’ll see” about next game. But hopefully this was a one time thing. As a parent we’ll see always meant NO. Ha. Well sometimes it meant "as long as you don't screw up again between now and then".
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Post by bostonfan on Nov 7, 2019 8:44:01 GMT -5
Patrick in the post game presser did, unfortunately, say “we’ll see” about next game. But hopefully this was a one time thing. No idea what could have happened, but Coach Ewing seems to be very consistent with holding his players accountable. In addition to teaching them basketball it seems he is trying to instill some life lessons in the young men.
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Post by jwp91 on Nov 7, 2019 9:02:25 GMT -5
Patrick in the post game presser did, unfortunately, say “we’ll see” about next game. But hopefully this was a one time thing. No idea what could have happened, but Coach Ewing seems to be very consistent with holding his players accountable. In addition to teaching them basketball it seems he is trying to instill some life lessons in the young men. Agree. He seems to have a short leash too. Sodom and Walker were just gone, and it is not like they committed mass murder to be sent off.
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Post by centercourt400s on Nov 7, 2019 9:08:26 GMT -5
Something that I doubt made the broadcast of the Mount Saint Mary's game: At halftime, with the team down by 12, when they came out for warmups and made their way into the layup line, LeBlanc moved to the center of the formation and waited for Mac to get closer. He gestured to him and Mac dropped out of the line and came over. LeBlanc put a hand up to cover his mouth in the manner of when football coaches are calling plays and don't want the camera to allow their lips to be read. He and Mac had about a 60 second private conversation that way with Josh doing almost all of the talking. From my perspective it sure seemed like a pep talk and some encouraging words, and at the end Mac nodded decisively, they exchanged hand slaps, Mac moved off with a bounce in his step and Josh went down the layup line exchanging high-fives and fist bumps with the rest of the team.
Great to see him with a good attitude and acting as a player-coach despite the suspension, and also great to see his teammates appreciating the effort.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Nov 7, 2019 9:38:32 GMT -5
It does not sound like this is a Harvey Thomas situation. I hope that it all will work out for the best in the end.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Nov 7, 2019 9:42:07 GMT -5
Josh is my favorite player, so suffice to say, I was disappointed to see him on the bench. His absence was also very much visible, and I still say he's arguably our most important player. Obviously, we have no idea what he did, but hopefully it isn't a big deal and he plays every game the rest of the season.
In the Ewing era, these coaches decisions seem to have happened more frequently than I remember at least under JT3. I get that different coaches have different styles, and it's hard to question it. I just want to see our guys on the court when it matters.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Nov 7, 2019 9:46:41 GMT -5
We will never know what happened, unless Josh puts it out which I can't imagine. Could have just been late for something, who knows. Whatever it is, Josh seems like a kid who will never make the same mistake again.
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Post by tashoya on Nov 7, 2019 10:24:00 GMT -5
I think we're going to like the LeBlanc/Alexander combo.
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