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Post by puthath on Apr 4, 2019 17:41:10 GMT -5
I dont recall anyone saying she HAD to be believed and that it should be the default position. But, most were saying that she deserved a fair hearing and investigation. I do think that, after the testimony, anyone with a brain realized that she should be believed and that it was obvious who was lying and who wasn’t. You’re still invading the question. The Dem standard was the woman must be believed. See Sen. Hirono. So once again, under this standard, should the accuses of Biden be believed? A simple question, awaiting a straight answer…
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Post by hoya9797 on Apr 4, 2019 18:54:59 GMT -5
You are inventing this standard.
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Post by EtomicB on Apr 4, 2019 19:40:27 GMT -5
I dont recall anyone saying she HAD to be believed and that it should be the default position. But, most were saying that she deserved a fair hearing and investigation. I do think that, after the testimony, anyone with a brain realized that she should be believed and that it was obvious who was lying and who wasn’t. Then on this limited point you are misremembering. Per many Democrats she had to be believed before she ever opened her mouth. Weren't the Democrats saying this because Chuck Grassley wanted to ignore her claims & rush Kavanaugh's confirmation process thru as quickly as possible? Be fair Elvado, context matters...
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Post by tashoya on Apr 4, 2019 19:47:40 GMT -5
Personally, I believe the women. We've seen enough of the way Biden conducts himself such that the accusations don't seem far-fetched at all.
However, if context matters, so does content. Violation of personal space or making someone uncomfortable is a far different accusation than rape.
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Post by hoyarooter on Apr 4, 2019 20:07:47 GMT -5
Personally, I believe the women. We've seen enough of the way Biden conducts himself such that the accusations don't seem far-fetched at all. However, if context matters, so does content. Violation of personal space or making someone uncomfortable is a far different accusation than rape. Not to mention that most (all?) of the accusations against Biden relate to behavior that occurred in public. So, sure, why not believe the women? But my original point still holds. If Biden is "Creepy," then Trump is googol times worse. Someone just needs to call a scumbag a scumbag.
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puthath
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Post by puthath on Apr 4, 2019 21:19:41 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2019 1:56:38 GMT -5
Dr. Ford should be believed, until proven otherwise.
Kavanaugh should be believed, until proven otherwise.
That's why you investigate to figure out what happened.
I never got this attack tbh. Are you guys saying she shouldn't be believed?
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Post by puthath on Apr 5, 2019 4:15:48 GMT -5
Dr. Ford should be believed, until proven otherwise. Kavanaugh should be believed, until proven otherwise. That's why you investigate to figure out what happened. I never got this attack tbh. Are you guys saying she shouldn't be believed? The above is not the Democratic standard as articulated by the Democrats with Kavanaugh. It was as articulated by Hirono, including the fact that men should “shut up”. Watch the video, and then respond — do you believe that Biden - or the Va Lt Gov - should be held to the same standard? And speaking of Virginia, how is it that Ralph KKK hood, the alleged rapist, and the blackface wearing AG are still in office? Oh yes, I forgot, they are Democrats!
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Post by EtomicB on Apr 5, 2019 6:13:46 GMT -5
Dr. Ford should be believed, until proven otherwise. Kavanaugh should be believed, until proven otherwise. That's why you investigate to figure out what happened. I never got this attack tbh. Are you guys saying she shouldn't be believed? The above is not the Democratic standard as articulated by the Democrats with Kavanaugh. It was as articulated by Hirono, including the fact that men should “shut up”. Watch the video, and then respond — do you believe that Biden - or the Va Lt Gov - should be held to the same standard? And speaking of Virginia, how is it that Ralph KKK hood, the alleged rapist, and the blackface wearing AG are still in office? Oh yes, I forgot, they are Democrats! Senator Hirono’s full quote was “shut up and step up, do the right thing for a change” This response was made because the heads of the republican led confirmation didn’t want to do an FBI investigation of Dr. Fords allegations... As I stated to Elvado, context matters...
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Post by Elvado on Apr 5, 2019 6:37:15 GMT -5
The above is not the Democratic standard as articulated by the Democrats with Kavanaugh. It was as articulated by Hirono, including the fact that men should “shut up”. Watch the video, and then respond — do you believe that Biden - or the Va Lt Gov - should be held to the same standard? And speaking of Virginia, how is it that Ralph KKK hood, the alleged rapist, and the blackface wearing AG are still in office? Oh yes, I forgot, they are Democrats! Senator Hirono’s full quote was “shut up and step up, do the right thing for a change” This response was made because the heads of the republican led confirmation didn’t want to do an FBI investigation of Dr. Fords allegations... As I stated to Elvado, context matters... I think this largely a matter of semantics. No one “needs to be believed” on either side. People need the opportunity to be heard. Only the truth needs to be believed.
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Post by puthath on Apr 5, 2019 7:51:51 GMT -5
The above is not the Democratic standard as articulated by the Democrats with Kavanaugh. It was as articulated by Hirono, including the fact that men should “shut up”. Watch the video, and then respond — do you believe that Biden - or the Va Lt Gov - should be held to the same standard? And speaking of Virginia, how is it that Ralph KKK hood, the alleged rapist, and the blackface wearing AG are still in office? Oh yes, I forgot, they are Democrats! Senator Hirono’s full quote was “shut up and step up, do the right thing for a change” This response was made because the heads of the republican led confirmation didn’t want to do an FBI investigation of Dr. Fords allegations... As I stated to Elvado, context matters... [ The men should shut up comment was the tail end of her comments. Again, the Democratic or position was a woman must be believed because she is a woman. Are you going to address this, or continue to divert and digress?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2019 7:52:11 GMT -5
Dr. Ford should be believed, until proven otherwise. Kavanaugh should be believed, until proven otherwise. That's why you investigate to figure out what happened. I never got this attack tbh. Are you guys saying she shouldn't be believed? The above is not the Democratic standard as articulated by the Democrats with Kavanaugh. It was as articulated by Hirono, including the fact that men should “shut up”. Watch the video, and then respond — do you believe that Biden - or the Va Lt Gov - should be held to the same standard? And speaking of Virginia, how is it that Ralph KKK hood, the alleged rapist, and the blackface wearing AG are still in office? Oh yes, I forgot, they are Democrats! Yes, of course... Biden didn't call them liars. He apologized and said he would be more mindful in the future. I don't see any reason to be too upset about a politician being too friendly Since we're on the subject, I also believe the 4 women who accused Trump's new nominee, Herman Cain, of sexual harassment. He actually paid two settlements for sexual harassment fyi. Why no comment? I also believe the 23 women who accused Trump of sexual assault. I believe he was being honest when he said "Just grab them by the Edited". And I think trying to conflate Biden's actions with that are another example of your bewildering positions..
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2019 7:56:18 GMT -5
Senator Hirono’s full quote was “shut up and step up, do the right thing for a change” This response was made because the heads of the republican led confirmation didn’t want to do an FBI investigation of Dr. Fords allegations... As I stated to Elvado, context matters... [ The men should shut up comment was the tail end of her comments. Again, the Democratic or position was a woman must be believed because she is a woman. Are you going to address this, or continue to divert and digress? People should be believed until proven otherwise. OT but can you stop assigning the position of one Democrat to the entire party? It's pretty absurd. Steve King: “White nationalist, white supremacist, Western civilization — how did that language become offensive?” The Republican position is White Nationalism isn't offensive. Trump: "Grab them by the Edited" The Republican position is Women should be grabbed by the EditedThese things are true, right? I'm just trying to use your same standard that if one member of a party says a thing that's becomes the position of the entire party....
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Post by EtomicB on Apr 5, 2019 7:57:02 GMT -5
The above is not the Democratic standard as articulated by the Democrats with Kavanaugh. It was as articulated by Hirono, including the fact that men should “shut up”. Watch the video, and then respond — do you believe that Biden - or the Va Lt Gov - should be held to the same standard? And speaking of Virginia, how is it that Ralph KKK hood, the alleged rapist, and the blackface wearing AG are still in office? Oh yes, I forgot, they are Democrats! Yes, of course... Biden didn't call them liars. He apologized and said he would be more mindful in the future. I don't see any reason to be too upset about a politician being too friendly Since we're on the subject, I also believe the 4 women who accused Trump's new nominee, Herman Cain, of sexual harassment. He actually paid two settlements for sexual harassment fyi. Why no comment? I also believe the 23 women who accused Trump of sexual assault. I believe he was being honest when he said "Just grab them by the Edited". And I think trying to conflate Biden's actions with that are another example of your bewildering positions.. This ^^
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Post by puthath on Apr 5, 2019 8:00:29 GMT -5
Yes, of course... Biden didn't call them liars. He apologized and said he would be more mindful in the future. I don't see any reason to be too upset about a politician being too friendly Since we're on the subject, I also believe the 4 women who accused Trump's new nominee, Herman Cain, of sexual harassment. He actually paid two settlements for sexual harassment fyi. Why no comment? I also believe the 23 women who accused Trump of sexual assault. I believe he was being honest when he said "Just grab them by the Edited". And I think trying to conflate Biden's actions with that are another example of your bewildering positions.. This ^^ You guys are still sticking your heads in the sand. I guess you will not answer the question regarding the Cavanagh standard, and I know why. Because it is a bad standard, which Democrats selectively use against their enemies, but avoid when it is one of their own. Look at the Gillam situation in Virginia, say no more.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2019 8:03:45 GMT -5
You guys are still sticking your heads in the sand. I guess you will not answer the question regarding the Cavanagh standard, and I know why. Because it is a bad standard, which Democrats selectively use against their enemies, but avoid when it is one of their own. Look at the Gillam situation in Virginia, say no more. *Fairfax What Democratic member has come out and called these women liars? I just want to point out you are currently attacking Biden for being too friendly and you voted for a man accused of sexual assault by 23 women... Bold move Cotton...
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Post by EtomicB on Apr 5, 2019 8:06:25 GMT -5
Senator Hirono’s full quote was “shut up and step up, do the right thing for a change” This response was made because the heads of the republican led confirmation didn’t want to do an FBI investigation of Dr. Fords allegations... As I stated to Elvado, context matters... [ The men should shut up comment was the tail end of her comments. Again, the Democratic or position was a woman must be believed because she is a woman. Are you going to address this, or continue to divert and digress? True but it wasn't the END of her statement, you should know that since you posted the link... Not sure why you're bringing gender into this but yes folks should be believed...
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Post by tashoya on Apr 5, 2019 8:55:15 GMT -5
You guys are still sticking your heads in the sand. I guess you will not answer the question regarding the Cavanagh standard, and I know why. Because it is a bad standard, which Democrats selectively use against their enemies, but avoid when it is one of their own. Look at the Gillam situation in Virginia, say no more. Choosing not to read the answers or disagreeing with the answers is not the same as not having answered. But your trolling game is impressive, nonetheless.
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Post by EtomicB on Apr 5, 2019 9:26:54 GMT -5
You guys are still sticking your heads in the sand. I guess you will not answer the question regarding the Cavanagh standard, and I know why. Because it is a bad standard, which Democrats selectively use against their enemies, but avoid when it is one of their own. Look at the Gillam situation in Virginia, say no more. The "Gillam" situation in Virginia? What are you talking about?
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Post by puthath on Apr 5, 2019 10:14:53 GMT -5
You guys are still sticking your heads in the sand. I guess you will not answer the question regarding the Cavanagh standard, and I know why. Because it is a bad standard, which Democrats selectively use against their enemies, but avoid when it is one of their own. Look at the Gillam situation in Virginia, say no more. The "Gillam" situation in Virginia? What are you talking about? With apologies to Gillum, I meant Fairfax.
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