Age Limit and Macklin

[JohnnyTwoTimes]

If indeed the CBA that is being reported is finalized, with a 19 year old limit, then I think the institution of that age limit may be a further nudge to the Big Ticket to go pro. After all, the top of the draft just opened up a bunch of slots, as guys like Oden and Durant will not be eligible in June 2006. This creates somewhat of a vacuum which might suck Macklin in. The dilution of next year's draft pool may also affect decisions of current collegians, including one of our own Hoya family members, but I'd rather not think about that one.

[Eurostar]

at the half Stern came on and said they did reach a 6 year agreement. obviously it cant affect this draft, but will it affect 2006 draft? will macklin have the choice to go pro after high school? i like how stern rationalized it: to keep nba scouts out of high school gyms.

[idhoya]

better solution. stop drafting the kids. that'll squash it. We all know that they won't do that, so don't insult our intelligence.

[RBHoya]

This new age limit is probably not good for us short term. The 2006 draft will be pretty appealing to Vernon And Jeff. However, I imagine that both are still wise enough to use the "leave early if youre a lottery pick" strategy. That could mean that they'll stay. I don't know though, it'll be tough for us, especially if both have good years next year. I still imagine that Vernon will sign a LOI and then not sign an agent.... As for Jeff, we have to hope he plays really well this year, but not TOO well, which is really tough.

[jerseyhoya34]

I think we should hold off on speculation re: Macklin simply because everyone except Macklin is on record with something to say about him and the NBA. Wake me up when Vernon says something.

Right now, I think it is just critical for us to recruit him heavily and to see if we can get him to commit. If you ask me, worrying about guys leaving is a good problem to have in the sense that you have players who are good enough to attract that interest. While it may make us queezy, and we can talk about how early departures hurt programs, but the fact is that college teams with the most future NBA players are the teams who compete for championships.

[ColumbiaHeightsHoya]

Programs like Duke, UNC, Cuse, G. Tech and others have had this problem for years. Duke does the best in reloading without missing much of a step but I think if you get a core of players and compliment that with a couple of guys that come for two year stays, then all is not lost. The positive is that big man U might start getting some guys for at least two years who are currently going straight to the league. It is going to be interesting to look back at this in three years and see what the affect is.

[rhman]

From what I have read, there are two components to the age limit. First, the player must turn 19 by the end of the calendar year when he is drafted. Second, he is not eligible until a year after his high school graduation.

Considering Macklin, that second piece sounds like good news to me!

[MCIGuy]

rhman said:

From what I have read, there are two components to the age limit. First, the player must turn 19 by the end of the calendar year when he is drafted. Second, he is not eligible until a year after his high school graduation.

Considering Macklin, that second piece sounds like good news to me!

People are still debating what the language actually means. I heard it interpreted both ways. So lets not jump to any conclusions.

[stafford72]

My understanding is that the rule is 19 years old by the day of the draft, OR 1 year out of high school. That opens the door for soeone like Hibbert who is 18 after his freshman year in college, but would be eligible. Those turning 19 after the draft date in the summer, would not be eligible.

[JohnnyTwoTimes]

For what it's worth, nba.com summarizes it as 19 years old "plus" one year removed from high school. I guess there is no way to tell for certain until the exact terms of the CBA are released.

www.nba.com/news/cba_050621.html

[SFHoya99]

What I have read in detail is that American Born Players are eligible 1 year after their High School Class graduates.

That means a year of college, prep school, NDBL, or possibly overseas.

Foreign born players must be at least 19 years old as of the end of the calendar year of the draft.

So roughly, 19 years old works, but it seems a player like Macklin will need a year playing outside of high school, no matter his age. A player like Egerson could jump in this year's draft, theoretically.

[the_way]

Its bogus. This Age limit is bogus. 19? What is the difference between 18 and 19. What is the real difference of a year. You are still in the same predicament. A lot of these kids won't go to college for a year. A lot of these kids are 19 already. Amare was 19. Kwame Brown was 19. Shoot, AI was 19 in early June of 94 coming out of high school. If David Stern really "cared" about the kids, he would have made it 21 and 3 years out of high school like the NFL. David Stern cares about his pockets, and thats fine. But don't feed me no BS about the well-being of the kids and getting scouts out of the high school gyms (they still will be there) when you all you care about and the NCAA care about his dollars.

[MCIGuy]

theway said:

Its bogus. This Age limit is bogus. 19? What is the difference between 18 and 19. What is the real difference of a year. .

Okay. So what's the difference in a grade? Why couldn't juniors go straight to the draft all these years? Wasn't that unfair too? Where was the outcry over that?

[the_way]

mciguy said:

theway said:

Its bogus. This Age limit is bogus. 19? What is the difference between 18 and 19. What is the real difference of a year. .

Okay. So what's the difference in a grade? Why couldn't juniors go straight to the draft all these years? Wasn't that unfair too? Where was the outcry over that?

You know exactly what I mean, don't be stupid.

[MCIGuy]

Parts of the AP report by Chris Sheridannews.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=531&e=2&u=/ap/20050622/ap_on_sp_bk_ne/bkn_nba_labor




NBA Reaches New Six-Year Labor Agreement


By CHRIS SHERIDAN, AP Basketball WriterWed Jun 22, 9:27 AM ET

Quite a few things are going up in the NBA's new collective bargaining agreement: the minimum age, the salary cap, and the flexibility general managers will have to make trades.

Commissioner David Stern and union director Billy Hunter finalized a new labor deal Thursday morning and then flew to the NBA Finals to announce it. The agreement, which replaces the seven-year pact expiring June 30, gives the league labor peace for the next six years and removes the possibility of a second straight lockout.

"We decided it was time to back away from the abyss and see if we could get a deal," Hunter said.

With each side trading concessions, the union acquiesced to Stern's wishes and agreed to end the days of jumping from the preps to the pros — the route chosen by LeBron James, Kobe Bryant, Kevin Garnett, Tracy McGrady and others. Players from the United States will now have to wait one year after the date their high school class graduates.


Here's another part of the piece



On the age limitation, international players will have to turn 19 by the end of the calendar year in which they become draft eligible.

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I think the big winners in this are places like Hargrave and other prep schools. Kids can go without having to get their academic lives in order, dominate lesser players like they'd been doing in high school, then jump to the NBA without exposing themselves as frauds on the collegiate level. That's been my problem all along with this whole thing. I have no problem with an age limit, is their right to impliment it, but if they really wanted to "help the game" this isn't the way to go about it.

[hoyalove4ever]

The age limit is an awful move. It is bad for basketball in every way imaginable at both the college and pro levels. It's okay for baseball and almost every other sport to recruit HS players and give those players the option to play college ball or go pro...but with basketball, things just have to be different.

Enticing young adults who have no interest in going to college to go there for just one year is a great idea. Surely these young men will exemplify the ideals that the NCAA hopes to promote. And one year of "me-first" basketball for the Amare Stoudamires of the world is sure to enhance the college game (nothing against Amare, just an example of a guy who clearly had pro talent and had no interest in-- or really qualifications for-- college).

After having a guy like Lebron come around and play such amazing ball right out of high school, making him the most compelling star the league has had in years, I think the best move is to turn guys like that away for a year. It's better for all involved.

Good work, David Stern and Co. It will be hard to ruin something as popular and successful as the NBA, but you sure are trying.

[theEDGEfactor]

I dont see why this is bad for Gtown. It guarantees all of the 2006 class to go to colege. You have to complete one year of college before going to the NBA. The NCAA is going to be great in 2 years, and now there is a better chance that we get Macklin.

[RBHoya]

It makese sense that they have to be one year out of High School before they can be drafted. If a guy like Macklin were eligible just because he's old for his class, then NBA Scouts would still be scouting him and the other few players like him that meet the criteria in their high school gyms, which defeats the purpose.

[hoyalove4ever]

I don't want one-and-dones who are only going to college b/c of the age limit. If a guy wants to go to college with the provision that he'll probably go to the draft if he's a lottery pick, that's okay. But I would hope that every athlete Gtown recruits has at least an interest in getting a college degree (i.e. feels it wouldn't be that bad to stay around for four years and then hopefully go pro if that's the way things worked out).