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Post by EtomicB on Sept 7, 2018 10:52:43 GMT -5
I don't see how this can work when the school doesn't get to control the narrative., It's hard for me to think the staff would tell kids not to talk about Gtown recruiting them.. The prospect has to be asked about Georgetown by the media. They don't necessarily ask because Georgetown isn't sexy right now. They focus on the sexier programs... I agree but those reasonings don't have anything to do with the staff though..
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Sept 7, 2018 10:55:12 GMT -5
The prospect has to be asked about Georgetown by the media. They don't necessarily ask because Georgetown isn't sexy right now. They focus on the sexier programs... I agree but those reasonings don't have anything to do with the staff though.. ?? Staff can't comment on prospects until they have signed a NLI with their program. Staff obviously doesn't play the leak game to the media like other programs do...
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Post by EtomicB on Sept 7, 2018 11:03:22 GMT -5
I agree but those reasonings don't have anything to do with the staff though.. ?? Staff can't comment on prospects until they have signed a NLI with their program. . Exactly right.. That's why I asked how the staff could move in silence on the recruiting trail in my initial response..
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Sept 7, 2018 16:05:32 GMT -5
?? Staff can't comment on prospects until they have signed a NLI with their program. . Exactly right.. That's why I asked how the staff could move in silence on the recruiting trail in my initial response.. We didn't know how serious the staff was about Mac until they all showed up in Gates City at Mac's house. While other HM were offering Mac, Coach Ewing and staff closed the deal without him visiting another program. We had no idea how much Coach Ewing wanted Akinjo until we found out he was parked outside Akinjo's house waiting for his release from UCONN to come thru. Even then most prognosticators had him in an U of Arizona Jersey. But Coach Ewing was all in and Akinjo only visited Georgetown after his decommitment from UCONN. Everyone was shocked the day Grayson Carter committed. Most didn't know he even visited during the summer. That's what I mean by making moves in silence. There maybe some slight whispers but we don't have a clue who the staff is truly targeting until it's quite obvious...
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Post by EtomicB on Sept 7, 2018 18:38:18 GMT -5
Exactly right.. That's why I asked how the staff could move in silence on the recruiting trail in my initial response.. We didn't know how serious the staff was about Mac until they all showed up in Gates City at Mac's house. While other HM were offering Mac, Coach Ewing and staff closed the deal without him visiting another program. We had no idea how much Coach Ewing wanted Akinjo until we found out he was parked outside Akinjo's house waiting for his release from UCONN to come thru. Even then most prognosticators had him in an U of Arizona Jersey. But Coach Ewing was all in and Akinjo only visited Georgetown after his decommitment from UCONN. Everyone was shocked the day Grayson Carter committed. Most didn't know he even visited during the summer. That's what I mean by making moves in silence. There maybe some slight whispers but we don't have a clue who the staff is truly targeting until it's quite obvious... I disagree with Mac, The staff recruited him pretty hard before he chose Rutgers, we definitely knew PE liked his game and wanted him for Gtown.. Akinjo was an easy choice to recruit, we didn't hear anything prior due to NCAA rules on committed players but it wasn't a surprise that Gtown went after him... I'll give you Carter but to me he's more the exception than the rule
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Sept 7, 2018 21:02:35 GMT -5
We didn't know how serious the staff was about Mac until they all showed up in Gates City at Mac's house. While other HM were offering Mac, Coach Ewing and staff closed the deal without him visiting another program. We had no idea how much Coach Ewing wanted Akinjo until we found out he was parked outside Akinjo's house waiting for his release from UCONN to come thru. Even then most prognosticators had him in an U of Arizona Jersey. But Coach Ewing was all in and Akinjo only visited Georgetown after his decommitment from UCONN. Everyone was shocked the day Grayson Carter committed. Most didn't know he even visited during the summer. That's what I mean by making moves in silence. There maybe some slight whispers but we don't have a clue who the staff is truly targeting until it's quite obvious... I disagree with Mac, The staff recruited him pretty hard before he chose Rutgers, we definitely knew PE liked his game and wanted him for Gtown.. Akinjo was an easy choice to recruit, we didn't hear anything prior due to NCAA rules on committed players but it wasn't a surprise that Gtown went after him... I'll give you Carter but to me he's more the exception than the rule In what way did the staff recruit McClung hard before he committed to Rutgers? His offer and one unofficial visit? That's all there was as proof and this staff throws out offers like Oprah gives out cars. You just saw with Shackleford that an offer can mean very little. You can't consider McClung's. offer and unofficial visit as going all in. While they were recruiting McClung, they were recruiting several of his Team Loaded teammates including his backcourt partner Jaelin Llewellyn who they offered first and also had on campus unofficially. Heck most people on here including you thought the staff should be all in on Xavier Johnson and couldn't understand why he wasn't getting an Official Visit as most believed he was Georgetown's if they wanted him. Your Akinjo reasoning that we didn't here anything regarding his involvement with the staff was due to NCAA rules, has nothing to do with the media coverage which is what this conversation is about. The media did mention that Georgetown among other schools like Arizona and Cal, were also going to show interest in Akinjo but no one had a clue or thought that Coach Ewing would be ALL IN on Akinjo and would be across the country waiting for him to receive his release... The level of recruitment by Coach Ewing and staff of McClung and Akinjo were done in somewhat stealth mode. There were whispers but not until the staff showed up at each players door steps did we really know how much the staff was involved and wanted both players. Look at the last couple weeks on this board and the angst among posters when the Hoyas didn't make Kockburn, Tshweibe and Igiehon's final list as most expected. I purposefully left out Stewart because we knew the staff was all in on him, but we honestly don't know how hard the staff really recruited Igiehon or Tshweibe. With Cockburn there were signs because the staff stopped really tracking him the last half of July. I really doubt anyone seriously thought the staff would end up in on Baker's final 4 list. No one knew the staff was involved enough with Zeke Nnaji to secure an early in home visit. We don't have a clue on how hard the staff is recruiting Wahub, Pinkney, Quinones, Ledlum, Keshad Johnson, Jeezy, Lundy etc., because the staff hasn't really gone all out yet. No early official visits yet. This week will tell us somethings as we see who they go and watch in open gym, but it won't necessarily tells who their top targets are. It may narrow somethings but we won't really know who their top targets are... Bonus: Really wished I saw the Igohoefe signing instead of writing most of this to prove my point...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2018 22:33:08 GMT -5
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Post by blazers44 on Sept 7, 2018 23:05:45 GMT -5
Kids him goodbye. Cal is coming...
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Post by hoyainla on Sept 7, 2018 23:10:16 GMT -5
This is over for us and it makes me very sad. Lester is so underrated on here. He's going to be a great college player.
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Post by EtomicB on Sept 7, 2018 23:12:41 GMT -5
I disagree with Mac, The staff recruited him pretty hard before he chose Rutgers, we definitely knew PE liked his game and wanted him for Gtown.. Akinjo was an easy choice to recruit, we didn't hear anything prior due to NCAA rules on committed players but it wasn't a surprise that Gtown went after him... I'll give you Carter but to me he's more the exception than the rule In what way did the staff recruit McClung hard before he committed to Rutgers? His offer and one unofficial visit? That's all there was as proof and this staff throughs out offers like Oprah gives out cars. You just saw with Shackleford that an offer can mean very little. You can't consider McClung's. offer and unofficial visit as going all in. While they were recruiting McClung, they were recruiting several of his Team Loaded teammates including his backcourt partner Jaelin Llewellyn who they offered first and also had on campus unofficially. Heck most people on here including you thought the staff should be all in on Xavier Johnson and couldn't understand why he wasn't getting an Official Visit as most believed he was Georgetown's if they wanted him. Your Akinjo reasoning that we didn't here anything regarding his involvement with the staff was due to NCAA rules, has nothing to do with the media coverage which is what this conversation is about. The media did mention that Georgetown among other schools like Arizona and Cal, were also going to show interest in Akinjo but no one had a clue or thought that Coach Ewing would be ALL IN on Akinjo and would be across the country waiting for him to receive his release... The level of recruitment by Coach Ewing and staff of McClung and Akinjo were done in somewhat stealth mode. There were whispers but not until the staff showed up at each players door steps did we really know how much the staff was involved and wanted both players. Look at the last couple weeks on this board and the angst among posters when the Hoyas didn't make Kockburn, Tshweibe and Igiehon's final list as most expected. I purposefully left out Stewart because we knew the staff was all in on him, but we honestly don't know how hard the staff really recruited Igiehon or Tshweibe. With Cockburn there were signs because the staff stopped really tracking him the last half of July. I really doubt anyone seriously thought the staff would end up in on Baker's final 4 list. No one knew the staff was involved enough with Zeke Nnaji to secure an early in home visit. We don't have a clue on how hard the staff is recruiting Wahub, Pinkney, Quinones, Ledlum, Keshad Johnson, Jeezy, Lundy etc., because the staff hasn't really gone all out yet. No early official visits yet. This week will tell us somethings as we see who they go and watch in open gym, but it won't necessarily tells who their top targets are. It may narrow somethings but we won't really know who their top targets are... McClung's offer came on his 1st visit, on that visit rumor has it he was impressive enough in pick-up games plus if he wasn't impressed by McClung why did he jump in so quickly once he left Rutgers? Of course, we'll never know everything in the staff's head but if a coach is trying to recruit a kid who just de-committed and has a short recruitment window wouldn't it be obvious that he's gonna be "all in" for the player? As for Cockburn, Tshweibe Aidan ect.. none of those kids gave any indication that they were that interested in Gtown so to me it's good that the staff wasn't all in for them but I have to ask why the staff wouldn't be all in for Oscar T. or Aidan I.? As for NNaji, over the summer in a Prephoops article, he stated that Gtown was contacting him a lot.. On Aug 9th you posted a Rivals article that spoke about him scheduling a bunch of unofficial visits, it also stated that he was working on setting up visits to UCLA, Baylor, Kansa & Gtown.. All of the schools above are getting in-home visits with him so I'm not sure why we should be surprised by this development... Obviously, we don't see eye to eye on this subject but to me the recruiting Gtown's staff does on this "continent" we hear/read about much more often than not in my opinion..
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Sept 10, 2018 11:10:07 GMT -5
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Sept 10, 2018 19:53:24 GMT -5
In what way did the staff recruit McClung hard before he committed to Rutgers? His offer and one unofficial visit? That's all there was as proof and this staff throughs out offers like Oprah gives out cars. You just saw with Shackleford that an offer can mean very little. You can't consider McClung's. offer and unofficial visit as going all in. While they were recruiting McClung, they were recruiting several of his Team Loaded teammates including his backcourt partner Jaelin Llewellyn who they offered first and also had on campus unofficially. Heck most people on here including you thought the staff should be all in on Xavier Johnson and couldn't understand why he wasn't getting an Official Visit as most believed he was Georgetown's if they wanted him. Your Akinjo reasoning that we didn't here anything regarding his involvement with the staff was due to NCAA rules, has nothing to do with the media coverage which is what this conversation is about. The media did mention that Georgetown among other schools like Arizona and Cal, were also going to show interest in Akinjo but no one had a clue or thought that Coach Ewing would be ALL IN on Akinjo and would be across the country waiting for him to receive his release... The level of recruitment by Coach Ewing and staff of McClung and Akinjo were done in somewhat stealth mode. There were whispers but not until the staff showed up at each players door steps did we really know how much the staff was involved and wanted both players. Look at the last couple weeks on this board and the angst among posters when the Hoyas didn't make Kockburn, Tshweibe and Igiehon's final list as most expected. I purposefully left out Stewart because we knew the staff was all in on him, but we honestly don't know how hard the staff really recruited Igiehon or Tshweibe. With Cockburn there were signs because the staff stopped really tracking him the last half of July. I really doubt anyone seriously thought the staff would end up in on Baker's final 4 list. No one knew the staff was involved enough with Zeke Nnaji to secure an early in home visit. We don't have a clue on how hard the staff is recruiting Wahub, Pinkney, Quinones, Ledlum, Keshad Johnson, Jeezy, Lundy etc., because the staff hasn't really gone all out yet. No early official visits yet. This week will tell us somethings as we see who they go and watch in open gym, but it won't necessarily tells who their top targets are. It may narrow somethings but we won't really know who their top targets are... McClung's offer came on his 1st visit, on that visit rumor has it he was impressive enough in pick-up games plus if he wasn't impressed by McClung why did he jump in so quickly once he left Rutgers?Of course, we'll never know everything in the staff's head but if a coach is trying to recruit a kid who just de-committed and has a short recruitment window wouldn't it be obvious that he's gonna be "all in" for the player? As for Cockburn, Tshweibe Aidan ect.. none of those kids gave any indication that they were that interested in Gtown so to me it's good that the staff wasn't all in for them but I have to ask why the staff wouldn't be all in for Oscar T. or Aidan I.?As for NNaji, over the summer in a Prephoops article, he stated that Gtown was contacting him a lot.. On Aug 9th you posted a Rivals article that spoke about him scheduling a bunch of unofficial visits, it also stated that he was working on setting up visits to UCLA, Baylor, Kansa & Gtown.. All of the schools above are getting in-home visits with him so I'm not sure why we should be surprised by this development... Obviously, we don't see eye to eye on this subject but to me the recruiting Gtown's staff does on this "continent" we hear/read about much more often than not in my opinion.. Your moving the goal post here Etomic. Obviously the staff was interested in McClung but their is a huge difference between interested enough to make an offer (which this staff does without any hesitation as I have lost track of total offers made) to going all out for a recruit. If they were going all out for McClung, they would have at least locked in an OV before he left campus especially since he only had 2 HM offers (Georgetown & Rutgers) at the time of his UV. There was never talk of an OV before his commitment to Rutgers. You stated that Cockburn, Igiehon, and Tshiebwe gave any indication of their interest in Georgetown. Kofi Cockburn and his coach spent all last fall and spring talking to the Media about how hard Georgetown was recruiting him. I believe the staff was recruiting him but decided some point in the summer to go in a different direction. Igiehon and Tshweibe both had Hoyas on their initial cut list. Then they both made a final cut to 4, not the typical 5 (since your given 5 OV's). Tells me if the staff was pursuing them at a extremely high level, they could have easily been added to both players list. So for whatever the staff's reason, I don't think the staff really went all out for both Igiehon and Tshiebwe. We will never really know but I find it funny that a 5th school could have been added to both. I know Igiehon took a OV to USC last spring so he only had 4 left but St. John's could easily be an UV. I also laugh your recruiting "this continent" comment. As if the recruiting gurus don't track international players recruitment. Just alone I the BIG EAST we knew way ahead of the commitments that DePaul was recruiting Flynn Cameron. We also knew Marquette was recruiting the older Froling brother and Creighton was recruiting the younger Froling brother before either committed. This young man Do Do Geuye passport stamp isn't even dry and he's reportedly getting interest from several HM including Kentucky. It's extremely hard to hide high level recruits. You have to actively try and hide international recruits these days like the staff seemed to do with Ighoefe. Ighoefe wasn't a completely invisible prospect on the world basketball stage. His measurables alone make it impossible to ignore him and got him a G League workout. The staff quietly did their due diligence in recruiting him and got a commit that no one saw coming. When I say the staff moves in Silence, it means zero leaks on who their top targets are until they make it obvious. The staff is like Robert Mueller and his team in that they don't talk to the news media anonymously like other programs do. That's why we don't have a clue who the staff is going all in for. Kentucky's staff leaks like the Trump administration on purpose to control and manipulate recruits decision making. They did it with both Igiehon and Tshweibe to stay in consideration. They are trying to do it currently with Lester Quinones. They tried to do this to Stewart after Peach Jam when they leaked that they were interested in recruiting him before he announced a final list but it didn't work with him. I'm sure the staff reached out to Ron at Hoya report but only after Ighoefe committed. No announcement the staff was ever recruiting him or interested in recruiting him. We only heard about him after the the deal was closed!
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Post by EtomicB on Sept 11, 2018 10:19:21 GMT -5
McClung's offer came on his 1st visit, on that visit rumor has it he was impressive enough in pick-up games plus if he wasn't impressed by McClung why did he jump in so quickly once he left Rutgers?Of course, we'll never know everything in the staff's head but if a coach is trying to recruit a kid who just de-committed and has a short recruitment window wouldn't it be obvious that he's gonna be "all in" for the player? As for Cockburn, Tshweibe Aidan ect.. none of those kids gave any indication that they were that interested in Gtown so to me it's good that the staff wasn't all in for them but I have to ask why the staff wouldn't be all in for Oscar T. or Aidan I.?As for NNaji, over the summer in a Prephoops article, he stated that Gtown was contacting him a lot.. On Aug 9th you posted a Rivals article that spoke about him scheduling a bunch of unofficial visits, it also stated that he was working on setting up visits to UCLA, Baylor, Kansa & Gtown.. All of the schools above are getting in-home visits with him so I'm not sure why we should be surprised by this development... Obviously, we don't see eye to eye on this subject but to me the recruiting Gtown's staff does on this "continent" we hear/read about much more often than not in my opinion.. Your moving the goal post here Etomic. Obviously the staff was interested in McClung but their is a huge difference between interested enough to make an offer (which this staff does without any hesitation as I have lost track of total offers made) to going all out for a recruit. If they were going all out for McClung, they would have at least locked in an OV before he left campus especially since he only had 2 HM offers (Georgetown & Rutgers) at the time of his UV. There was never talk of an OV before his commitment to Rutgers. You stated that Cockburn, Igiehon, and Tshiebwe gave any indication of their interest in Georgetown. Kofi Cockburn and his coach spent all last fall and spring talking to the Media about how hard Georgetown was recruiting him. I believe the staff was recruiting him but decided some point in the summer to go in a different direction. Igiehon and Tshweibe both had Hoyas on their initial cut list. Then they both made a final cut to 4, not the typical 5 (since your given 5 OV's). Tells me if the staff was pursuing them at a extremely high level, they could have easily been added to both players list. So for whatever the staff's reason, I don't think the staff really went all out for both Igiehon and Tshiebwe. We will never really know but I find it funny that a 5th school could have been added to both. I know Igiehon took a OV to USC last spring so he only had 4 left but St. John's could easily be an UV. I also laugh your recruiting "this continent" comment. As if the recruiting gurus don't track international players recruitment. Just alone I the BIG EAST we knew way ahead of the commitments that DePaul was recruiting Flynn Cameron. We also knew Marquette was recruiting the older Froling brother and Creighton was recruiting the younger Froling brother before either committed. This young man Do Do Geuye passport stamp isn't even dry and he's reportedly getting interest from several HM including Kentucky. It's extremely hard to hide high level recruits. You have to actively try and hide international recruits these days like the staff seemed to do with Ighoefe. Ighoefe wasn't a completely invisible prospect on the world basketball stage. His measurables alone make it impossible to ignore him and got him a G League workout. The staff quietly did their due diligence in recruiting him and got a commit that no one saw coming. When I say the staff moves in Silence, it means zero leaks on who their top targets are until they make it obvious. The staff is like Robert Mueller and his team in that they don't talk to the news media anonymously like other programs do. That's why we don't have a clue who the staff is going all in for. Kentucky's staff leaks like the Trump administration on purpose to control and manipulate recruits decision making. They did it with both Igiehon and Tshweibe to stay in consideration. They are trying to do it currently with Lester Quinones. They tried to do this to Stewart after Peach Jam when they leaked that they were interested in recruiting him before he announced a final list but it didn't work with him. I'm sure the staff reached out to Ron at Hoya report but only after Ighoefe committed. No announcement the staff was ever recruiting him or interested in recruiting him. We only heard about him after the the deal was closed! I think my point that the players control the recruiting narrative much more than the programs has been consistent throughout this discussion.. PE/staff didn't move in silence for Mac they watched him play from the start of the 2017 aau season, he came on an unofficial visit in late June and got his offer then, that's enough for me to conclude that they were interested prior to his choosing Rutgers.. The staff backed up my conclusion by going to see Mac the day after he announced Rutgers was out.. Your "all in" reasoning seems arbitrary to me..
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Post by EtomicB on Sept 11, 2018 11:06:12 GMT -5
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Post by ewingitrust on Sept 11, 2018 11:22:23 GMT -5
I curiously wonder when he'll release his list...
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Sept 11, 2018 21:35:18 GMT -5
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Sept 11, 2018 23:12:47 GMT -5
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Post by blazers44 on Sept 12, 2018 0:09:46 GMT -5
I could be wrong but I don't think we have much of a skit with Quinones. Haven't heard the hoyas attach to him in quite some time.
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Post by bostonfan on Sept 12, 2018 7:04:30 GMT -5
I could be wrong but I don't think we have much of a skit with Quinones. Haven't heard the hoyas attach to him in quite some time. I tend to agree at this point. I think early on Georgetown was one of the bigger programs recruiting him but his recruitment really took off this summer and now all the big boys are involved. I hope I am wrong and the staff is still working hard on him and has a chance, but I have not seen the Hoyas mentioned in anything that involves him in a while. Not sure if the recent interest in Ludlum is a sign that Lester, and the Hoyas, have both moved on.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Sept 12, 2018 7:25:56 GMT -5
I could be wrong but I don't think we have much of a skit with Quinones. Haven't heard the hoyas attach to him in quite some time. I tend to agree at this point. I think early on Georgetown was one of the bigger programs recruiting him but his recruitment really took off this summer and now all the big boys are involved. I hope I am wrong and the staff is still working hard on him and has a chance, but I have not seen the Hoyas mentioned in anything that involves him in a while. Not sure if the recent interest in Ludlum is a sign that Lester, and the Hoyas, have both moved on. Coach Orr was at IMG on Sunday (first day of fall evaluations). Only player at IMG the staff has any involvement with is Lester Quinones. Tells me they are still in pursuit to some degree...
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