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Post by prhoya on May 25, 2018 17:48:14 GMT -5
While searching for more Hoya info, I came across this article in casualhoya.com which I haven't seen posted or discussed here (let me know if there's another thread/post on it). It's a "Q&A with Former and Forever Hoya Julian Vaughn", a rare look into the vault that is/was the GU basketball program. Julian comes across as a great guy while being candid about the program: www.casualhoya.com/2018/3/21/17147168/julian-vaughn-georgetown-hoyas-pro-fit-basketball-training-rockville-maryland#commentsRemember the post-Ohio game conference where JT3 said he didn't know what happened that night? For those of us still wondering, Vaughn explains it the following way: JV: "Worst memory - Ohio. My God, so much wasted potential on that season. We were an Elite 8 team at worst that year, and everyone knew it. I also feel that was the loss that started the “NCAA 1st weekend/ Gtown choking” stigma we have. And that’s annoying." CH: "Simply put, what the heck happened in that Ohio game? Looking back at it, was there anything you would or could have done differently?" JV: "Ohio - I don’t think anyone would be too mad at me if I talked about it now that it’s almost 7 years removed. It wasn’t a case at all of us overlooking them, or being overrated like people thought. We had a really, really solid team that year. Probably the strongest guard in the entire conference in Chris, who could take anyone 1v1 in the country. Two snipers in Austin and Jason, and Me and Greg down low. We knew we were good, and played all year like it for the most part. You don’t just luck up and get a 3 seed. Ohio, position for position was not better than us. No way. But I remember the practice the night before the game, we were going over their plays. Just like always. The starting 5 usually guards the next 5, with the next 5 doing the plays of the other team. I remember going thru the first play and they were carving us up. We couldn’t figure out how to stop all the options. We got yelled at, fixed it....and then they would find another option for a cutter or wide open 3. After like 3-4 adjustments of not stopping that play, JT3 got mad and changed the play to another. Literally, the same thing happened. I don’t think we stopped them from scoring or having a super solid look in 10-12 possessions. Coach got Editeded and basically called practice and told us to just get shots up for the next 30 minutes. I know he was thinking we weren’t focused, but I was chatting Austin I think and was like “Bro, we need to figure this out before tomorrow or its going to be tough”. And that’s what happened. It was more their system was something funky we hadn’t seen, and probably needed another day or two to master it. Not that they had better players. The thing with teams like that, those are the WORST games to play. Because everyone in the world expects them to lose. Even them deep down. Its important to just come out, finish them early and erase any thought of a win. Then they will give up because, “hey, this was supposed to happen”. But if you give them any daylight, they get confident. They hit shots they don’t normally make. Refs are human, and they feed off the underdog energy and crowd. They get some calls. Then boom, its over." |
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Post by iowa80 on May 25, 2018 17:52:05 GMT -5
"...the night before the game. ."  |
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Post by prhoya on May 25, 2018 18:08:03 GMT -5
"...the night before the game. ." A first-round game! Other than travel, what did they do from Selection Sunday to that Thursday game re: game plan? Negligent. |
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Post by iowa80 on May 25, 2018 18:18:33 GMT -5
"...the night before the game. ." A first-round game! Other than travel, what did they do from Selection Sunday to that Thursday game re: game plan? Negligent. JV might be misremembering there--at least on the time. Hope so. But if the second five is torching you, it seems like you'd remember it. Wonder who played the role of Armon Bassett? |
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Post by hoyarooter on May 25, 2018 18:47:53 GMT -5
If they had such a funky offense, how did the second unit pick it up so quickly? Seems odd.
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Post by blueandgray on May 25, 2018 18:52:46 GMT -5
I knew first hand about this when it happened. It was the first time the red flag went up for me. Thereafter, I was no longer surprised by anything. Love JT3 the man, but it was time.
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Post by prhoya on May 25, 2018 18:55:28 GMT -5
If they had such a funky offense, how did the second unit pick it up so quickly? Seems odd. JT3 should have used the second unit on Ohio after a TO to see how Ohio defended it, learn from it, then adjust the first unit during the game... oh, wait... |
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Post by Elvado on May 25, 2018 21:33:38 GMT -5
If this is true it would explain III never getting another job as HC.
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Post by MCIGuy on May 26, 2018 4:23:34 GMT -5
I knew first hand about this when it happened. It was the first time the red flag went up for me. Thereafter, I was no longer surprised by anything. Love JT3 the man, but it was time. Yeah, there was no excuse for that talented team losing the game. III squandered college basketball careers for those players and would-be fond memories for fans (just imagine if the team had made it at least to the Final Eight) by all of those early exits throughout MOST of his time as coach. |
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Post by hoyazeke on May 26, 2018 11:00:52 GMT -5
If they had such a funky offense, how did the second unit pick it up so quickly? Seems odd. I had to look it up but the second unit would of consisted of Vee Sanford, Stephen Stepka, Hollis T, Jerrelle Benimon, and Big Hank... That is not a murderers row....4 freshmen and a sophomore dissecting our team....the bigger problem to me has always been our offense in these upsets...Greg, Free, J and Chris should be able to out score OhioU... |
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Post by prhoya on May 26, 2018 11:31:41 GMT -5
...the bigger problem to me has always been our offense in these upsets...Greg, Free, J and Chris should be able to out score OhioU... Disagree with the upsets. I remember an analysis of the FF team that concluded that the team’s offensive efficiency served as a defensive weapon, i.e., the team was so good on offense and so slow, that if the other team fell behind, the toughness of trying to get back made the other team less confident and tighter on offense. Regarding the Ohio and FGC upsets, the same thing happened to GU. We fell behind, we couldn’t stop them on offense, so we had to be perfect on offense to keep up. At some point, the team and coach looked tight, helpless and clueless. Now we know that to be true vs. Ohio. The problem was the lack of defensive strategy and adjustments. |
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Post by hoyazeke on May 26, 2018 12:27:17 GMT -5
...the bigger problem to me has always been our offense in these upsets...Greg, Free, J and Chris should be able to out score OhioU... Disagree with the upsets. I remember an analysis of the FF team that concluded that the team’s offensive efficiency served as a defensive weapon, i.e., the team was so good on offense and so slow, that if the other team fell behind, the toughness of trying to get back made the other team less confident and tighter on offense. Regarding the Ohio and FGC upsets, the same thing happened to GU. We fell behind, we couldn’t stop them on offense, so we had to be perfect on offense to keep up. At some point, the team and coach looked tight, helpless and clueless. Now we know that to be true vs. Ohio. The problem was the lack of defensive strategy and adjustments. If you are playing a p5 school that is as deep and as talented then I would agree but at some point the little school has to go to the bench and rest the starters. At that point there is no excuse for not closing any gap that could have been generated. Plus even if you can't stop there O who on there team should have been able to stop Greg, Free or Chris (our 3 5* players)? If you don't completely collapse there is no excuse.....the problem was always the fact that JT3 always viewed himself as the little team in the equation. He would be perfect coaching some IVY or MM because that is his mentality. That's why I don't fear continuation of the choke jobs with Ewing. Ewing realizes that We Are Georgetown and we are better and deeper than the little boys....3 never got over playing for Princeton....IMO |
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Post by paranoia2 on May 26, 2018 12:40:46 GMT -5
Patrick has a fire in him that can only be satisfied after he wins more titles. He was so close as a freshman, suffered an upset as a senior and then got tormented by Jordan and then to top it all off got hurt before his swan song chance at a Knicks title. He has also been inexplicably passed over for numerous head coaching jobs.
Patrick’s style of play will not be kind to underdogs like JT3’s was. More pace and force equals more touches and more opportunities for athletic plays. Talent and athleticism will reign if given enough opportunities.
Akinjo. The term “floor general” will rise again. This guy will not allow some upsets to occur. He will get in the faces of teammates and opponents and it is sorely needed.
Patrick will lead he Hoyas to titles.
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Post by prhoya on May 26, 2018 12:57:55 GMT -5
Disagree with the upsets. I remember an analysis of the FF team that concluded that the team’s offensive efficiency served as a defensive weapon, i.e., the team was so good on offense and so slow, that if the other team fell behind, the toughness of trying to get back made the other team less confident and tighter on offense. Regarding the Ohio and FGC upsets, the same thing happened to GU. We fell behind, we couldn’t stop them on offense, so we had to be perfect on offense to keep up. At some point, the team and coach looked tight, helpless and clueless. Now we know that to be true vs. Ohio. The problem was the lack of defensive strategy and adjustments. If you are playing a p5 school that is as deep and as talented then I would agree but at some point the little school has to go to the bench and rest the starters. At that point there is no excuse for not closing any gap that could have been generated. Plus even if you can't stop there O who on there team should have been able to stop Greg, Free or Chris (our 3 5* players)? If you don't completely collapse there is no excuse.....the problem was always the fact that JT3 always viewed himself as the little team in the equation. He would be perfect coaching some IVY or MM because that is his mentality. That's why I don't fear continuation of the choke jobs with Ewing. Ewing realizes that We Are Georgetown and we are better and deeper than the little boys....3 never got over playing for Princeton....IMO I get what you're saying, but you made me look. Ohio, VCU and FGCU used rotations of 7, 6, and 6 players, respectively, until garbage/blow-out time. Not looking to put your opponent in foul trouble was another trademark of JT3's coaching style. |
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Post by jwp91 on May 26, 2018 15:31:45 GMT -5
Here is what Editedes me off about that story beyond the obvious:
If the offense was so unintuitive to defend, why wouldn’t we incorporate aspects into our future offense?
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on May 27, 2018 18:19:32 GMT -5
Here is what Editedes me off about that story beyond the obvious: If the offense was so unintuitive to defend, why wouldn’t we incorporate aspects into our future offense? The Ohio game was a mess, but Ohio did not have some special secret on offense. We just did a really bad job of defending them and apparently, couldn’t figure it out. Not only that, but Ohio shot way better than normal, which helped too. Tennessee, which was not as good a team as ours, easily defeated Ohio in the second round. I don’t think Ohio beating us should have caused us to incorporate their style. It should have caused the staff to figure out what could’ve been done to stop it. The Ohio loss really bothers me because that was almost certainly our best team outside the 2007 and 2008 teams. Elite level offense, but unlike the 2007 and 2008 teams, that wasn’t an elite team on defense. Still, that could have been a Sweet 16+ team. |
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