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Post by SSHoya on Jun 19, 2018 11:41:30 GMT -5
"Infest".... Yesterday he was lying that crime is way up in Germany because of an influx of immigrants despite the fact their crime rate is the lowest it's been in a quarter century. We have a President who thinks advancing bigotry is the best way to activate his base... And it works because . . .well, you know. Hopefully, it also activates the Dems, independents, and "moderate" Republicans to the extent they exist anymore.
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Post by SSHoya on Jun 19, 2018 12:01:39 GMT -5
Logic not being the strong point of the Trump administration, it claims that it is not to blame for the separation of families at the border and that a just God is pleased it is happening. The first claim is a lie. Without the administration’s “zero-tolerance” policy, there would be no surge in detained children at overwhelmed facilities. And President Trump has incurred further responsibility by employing confused, frightened children as leverage in negotiations over a border wall. All of this is taking place as a direct result of Trump’s command to get tough at the border. And what shows toughness better than mistreating little boys and girls? The second claim, made most prominently by Attorney General Jeff Sessions, is that Romans 13 — a biblical passage written by the Apostle Paul urging everyone to be “subject to the governing authorities” — is an endorsement of the administration’s hard-line enforcement of immigration laws. Sessions is effectively claiming divine sanction for the idea that people who break laws may be punished and deterred by subjecting their children to mental anguish. This is cruelty defended by heresy. The Bible, like a gun, is a dangerous thing in the hands of a bigot. Segregationists and autocrats throughout Western history have claimed that Romans 13 covers oppressive or unjust laws. But the centerpiece commitment of Christian social ethics is not order; it is justice. For a good introduction to the concept, Sessions might read the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr.’s “Letter from Birmingham Jail.” “A just law is a man-made code that squares with the moral law or the law of God,” King argued. “An unjust law is a code that is out of harmony with the moral law.” And how should justice be defined? “Any law that uplifts human personality is just. Any law that degrades human personality is unjust.” www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/sessions-invokes-gods-wrath-he-would-do-better-to-fear-it/2018/06/18/66970cfe-731c-11e8-b4b7-308400242c2e_story.html?utm_term=.17309912f2e1
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Post by hoyarooter on Jun 19, 2018 18:07:31 GMT -5
Laura Ingraham compared the cages in which these kids are kept to summer camp? SMH. Why don't we start promoting steel cage matches for them? There could be great entertainment value here.
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Post by tashoya on Jun 19, 2018 18:09:32 GMT -5
Laura Ingraham compared the cages in which these kids are kept to summer camp? SMH. Why don't we start promoting steel cage matches for them? There could be great entertainment value here. Better yet, send her ass to "camp" for a few weeks.
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Post by SSHoya on Jun 19, 2018 18:21:00 GMT -5
Interesting legal analysis: The executive has strong legal authorities at the border to regulate who may enter the country. But once allowed entry into the United States, migrant children have rights under the Constitution. Public reporting indicates that children are being detained for in-processing; held in confinement for days, weeks or months; and relocated to foster care—all the while unaware of when or if they will be reunited with a parent. It is not known whether the Justice Department's Office of Legal Counsel has issued an opinion outlining the parameters of when children may be separated from their parents. So the first issue is whether there actually is a constitutional theory for lawfully detaining these children for sustained periods. Greater attention should be given to whether there are even any legitimate constitutional grounds for removing a child from a parent—for days to weeks to months without end—in the context of enforcing a misdemeanor illegal-entry law. On even less firm ground is the ability of the government to place a child in foster care absent a best-interest-of-the-child analysis, which is most appropriately conducted by a neutral magistrate. And, to be clear, there is no statutory requirement to separate children from their parents. The separations are flowing directly from the policy decision of the Trump administration to refer additional illegal-entry cases for prosecution without adequately developing a sufficient legal framework and an accompanying policy for addressing the practical realities of what would happen to the children as a result of the new prosecutive guideline. www.lawfareblog.com/legal-considerations-separating-families-border
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Post by SSHoya on Jun 20, 2018 4:54:47 GMT -5
We write as former United States Attorneys who have served under both Republican and Democratic Presidents. Like the majority of Americans, we have been horrified by the images and stories of children torn from their families along our nation’s Southwest Border. And like a majority of Americans, we are appalled that your Zero Tolerance policy has resulted in the unnecessary trauma and suffering of innocent children. But as former United States Attorneys, we also emphasize that the Zero Tolerance policy is a radical departure from previous Justice Department policy, and that it is dangerous, expensive, and inconsistent with the values of the institution in which we served. The law does not require the systematic separation of families under these circumstances. Collectively, as former United States Attorneys, we have prosecuted tens of thousands of cases involving far more serious crimes than misdemeanor illegal entry offenses. And even in those far more serious cases, decisions involving the separation of children from their parents were made with extraordinary caution, and only after an evaluation of the specific circumstances of a particular case. Today, by contrast, your Zero Tolerance policy has produced a tragic and unsustainable result, without taking into account each family’s specific circumstances. Under your policy, families and children are greeted with unexpected cruelty at the doorstep of the United States, instead of with relief or asylum in the greatest country in the world. Until now, no Republican or Democratic administration, nor any prior Attorney General, has endangered children in order to deter illegal entry. medium.com/@formerusattorneys/bipartisan-group-of-former-united-states-attorneys-call-on-sessions-to-end-child-detention-e129ae0df0cf
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Post by SSHoya on Jun 20, 2018 5:34:19 GMT -5
Hecklers 1, Nielsen 0. I think a better tactic for the protesters instead of chanting would have simply have been to play the audio recording of the children crying and asking for their parents. A shame that Nielsen is an SFS grad, she's not quite in conspiracy theorist Frank Gaffney (F '75) territory but give her time. Don't forget she was George W's Deputy Homeland Security Advisor as the WH POC for Hurricane Katrina. Quite a legacy she has there. Public shaming does nothing to these moral reprobates as they are beyond shame. Protesters entered a Mexican restaurant in Washington, D.C., Tuesday evening to heckle Secretary of Homeland Security Kirstjen Nielsen. She appeared to sit quietly with her head down for more than 10 minutes listening to the protesters chanting “Shame!” and “End family separation!” Protesters, roughly 10 to 15 of them, entered MXDC Cocina Mexicana about 8 p.m. while Nielsen finished her meal with one other person. The restaurant’s general manager, Thomas Genovese, told The Washington Post that Nielsen had been dining for about an hour when the heckling began. She did not come with a reservation, he said. The eatery is about two blocks east of the White House. www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2018/06/20/kirstjen-nielsen-heckled-by-protesters-at-mexican-restaurant-if-kids-dont-eat-in-peace-you-dont-eat-in-peace/?utm_term=.dda3523f31a7
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2018 5:51:51 GMT -5
Hecklers 1, Nielsen 0. I think a better tactic for the protesters instead of chanting would have simply have been to play the audio recording of the children crying and asking for their parents. A shame that Nielsen is an SFS grad, she's not quite in conspiracy theorist Frank Gaffney (F '75) territory but give her time. Don't forget she was George W's Deputy Homeland Security Advisor as the WH POC for Hurricane Katrina. Quite a legacy she has there. Public shaming does nothing to these moral reprobates as they are beyond shame. Protesters entered a Mexican restaurant in Washington, D.C., Tuesday evening to heckle Secretary of Homeland Security Kirstjen Nielsen. She appeared to sit quietly with her head down for more than 10 minutes listening to the protesters chanting “Shame!” and “End family separation!” Protesters, roughly 10 to 15 of them, entered MXDC Cocina Mexicana about 8 p.m. while Nielsen finished her meal with one other person. The restaurant’s general manager, Thomas Genovese, told The Washington Post that Nielsen had been dining for about an hour when the heckling began. She did not come with a reservation, he said. The eatery is about two blocks east of the White House. www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2018/06/20/kirstjen-nielsen-heckled-by-protesters-at-mexican-restaurant-if-kids-dont-eat-in-peace-you-dont-eat-in-peace/?utm_term=.dda3523f31a7I mean...Mexican food? Was she trolling everybody?
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Post by SSHoya on Jun 20, 2018 5:57:26 GMT -5
Hecklers 1, Nielsen 0. I think a better tactic for the protesters instead of chanting would have simply have been to play the audio recording of the children crying and asking for their parents. A shame that Nielsen is an SFS grad, she's not quite in conspiracy theorist Frank Gaffney (F '75) territory but give her time. Don't forget she was George W's Deputy Homeland Security Advisor as the WH POC for Hurricane Katrina. Quite a legacy she has there. Public shaming does nothing to these moral reprobates as they are beyond shame. Protesters entered a Mexican restaurant in Washington, D.C., Tuesday evening to heckle Secretary of Homeland Security Kirstjen Nielsen. She appeared to sit quietly with her head down for more than 10 minutes listening to the protesters chanting “Shame!” and “End family separation!” Protesters, roughly 10 to 15 of them, entered MXDC Cocina Mexicana about 8 p.m. while Nielsen finished her meal with one other person. The restaurant’s general manager, Thomas Genovese, told The Washington Post that Nielsen had been dining for about an hour when the heckling began. She did not come with a reservation, he said. The eatery is about two blocks east of the White House. www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2018/06/20/kirstjen-nielsen-heckled-by-protesters-at-mexican-restaurant-if-kids-dont-eat-in-peace-you-dont-eat-in-peace/?utm_term=.dda3523f31a7I mean...Mexican food? Was she trolling everybody? She just may clueless or naively believed that if she didn't make reservations her location wouldn't leak out and that protesters wouldn't find her? EDIT: Trump ordered her to eat at a Mexican restaurant and then leaked that was where she was. She did it to keep her job!
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Post by SSHoya on Jun 20, 2018 7:32:48 GMT -5
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Post by Elvado on Jun 20, 2018 8:06:31 GMT -5
And Nancy Pelosi is a Catholic who favors abortion... The commingling of religion and politics rarely works...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2018 8:17:56 GMT -5
"Orphaned by the US Govt".... Think about that....
What type of Country makes child abuse a formal policy. If your not outraged by this check your moral compass...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2018 8:32:47 GMT -5
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Post by Elvado on Jun 20, 2018 8:51:35 GMT -5
I get your connection quite clearly. My point is that the selective use of religious language and imagery in politics is a bad idea. When Politicians use religion they almost invariably botch the job.
We have people decrying the separation of children from families quoting the Catholic Councilmof Bishops who are staunch supporters of abortion on demand.
On the right we have abortion opponents who favor the death penalty.
Religion and politics never mix well.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2018 8:53:52 GMT -5
And Nancy Pelosi is a Catholic who favors abortion... The commingling of religion and politics rarely works... So...kudos to Nancy Pelosi, since she chooses not to commingle religion and politics in this instance?
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Post by SSHoya on Jun 20, 2018 8:55:17 GMT -5
And of course the so-called "religious right" is now wholly identified with today's Republican Party. GOP so much better a commingling religion and politics as an institutional matter. One of the most durable myths in recent history is that the religious right, the coalition of conservative evangelicals and fundamentalists, emerged as a political movement in response to the U.S. Supreme Court’s 1973 Roe v. Wade ruling legalizing abortion. The tale goes something like this: Evangelicals, who had been politically quiescent for decades, were so morally outraged by Roe that they resolved to organize in order to overturn it. But the abortion myth quickly collapses under historical scrutiny. In fact, it wasn’t until 1979—a full six years after Roe—that evangelical leaders, at the behest of conservative activist Paul Weyrich, seized on abortion not for moral reasons, but as a rallying-cry to deny President Jimmy Carter a second term. Why? Because the anti-abortion crusade was more palatable than the religious right’s real motive: protecting segregated schools. So much for the new abolitionism. www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/05/religious-right-real-origins-107133
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2018 9:12:03 GMT -5
I get your connection quite clearly. My point is that the selective use of religious language and imagery in politics is a bad idea. When Politicians use religion they almost invariably botch the job. We have people decrying the separation of children from families quoting the Catholic Councilmof Bishops who are staunch supporters of abortion on demand. On the right we have abortion opponents who favor the death penalty. Religion and politics never mix well. Ok... Now think about this really slowly, in this instance who are the people mixing it? The comments are a response to the Attorney General quoting scripture to justify his politics.
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Post by SSHoya on Jun 20, 2018 9:28:48 GMT -5
I get your connection quite clearly. My point is that the selective use of religious language and imagery in politics is a bad idea. When Politicians use religion they almost invariably botch the job. We have people decrying the separation of children from families quoting the Catholic Councilmof Bishops who are staunch supporters of abortion on demand. On the right we have abortion opponents who favor the death penalty. Religion and politics never mix well. Ok... Now think about this really slowly, in this instance who are the people mixing it? The comments are a response to the Attorney General quoting scripture to justify his politics. And haven't we loss sight of how this whole thread started? Look at the title -- seems that someone initially supported the family separation policy (perhaps now not) and wants to talk about mixing religion and politics instead of the issue.
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Post by Elvado on Jun 20, 2018 10:21:59 GMT -5
No Kamala Harris still got schooled that day
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2018 10:37:12 GMT -5
No Kamala Harris still got schooled that day Nobody with any sense who watched that tape and the fallout from this policy believes that to be true. Even if true that's a pretty dumb and immature thing to hang your hat on considering all that's happened since. BTW since we're on the subject of your original comment, in what American Courtroom do they separate kids from their parents, for a misdemeanor, and then put the kid in jail? Then please tell me how Kamala Harris not supporting that policy = "In Kamalaland, the children of non -citizens deserve more protection." I'll wait...
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