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Post by Elvado on Jul 11, 2019 20:07:58 GMT -5
For the money of course. She is a Clinton.
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Post by EtomicB on Jul 11, 2019 20:30:37 GMT -5
For the money of course. She is a Clinton. So you think she talked to this Brazillian bank about open immigration borders for the paycheck not because she believes in open borders?
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Post by Elvado on Jul 11, 2019 21:07:26 GMT -5
For the money of course. She is a Clinton. So you think she talked to this Brazillian bank about open immigration borders for the paycheck not because she believes in open borders? I would never try to think like Hillary. She could very easily have said open markets and not said open borders. But at the end of the day, she operates for money or power.
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Post by EtomicB on Jul 11, 2019 21:39:48 GMT -5
So you think she talked to this Brazillian bank about open immigration borders for the paycheck not because she believes in open borders? I would never try to think like Hillary. She could very easily have said open markets and not said open borders. But at the end of the day, she operates for money or power. You don't need to think like Clinton, I'd like to know what you really believe Elvado... I don't understand why you can't give a straight answer to a straight forward question... Do you really believe that Clinton was talking to a Brazillian Bank about open immigration borders?
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Post by tashoya on Jul 11, 2019 22:03:34 GMT -5
So you think she talked to this Brazillian bank about open immigration borders for the paycheck not because she believes in open borders? I would never try to think like Hillary. She could very easily have said open markets and not said open borders. But at the end of the day, she operates for money or power. You'd never try to think like Hillary but you're basing your opinion on the twisting of a statement of hers based on how you think she thinks. Is that not trying to think like Hillary? All of this is pretty silly. Hillary holds no office and no power. What she said 6 years ago doesn't matter. The fact is that not one politician is or was for open borders as badly as some want that to be a talking point. They can talk about "loosening" or "relaxation" of regulations or whatever. There's no evidence that softening of policies is in service of, or leading to, open borders because, again, no one wants that. If it were something that so many wanted, one should be able to find entire speeches or, at the least, significant parts of speeches (or stumps) laying out why open borders is a good thing and the path for getting there. You won't find that because it doesn't exist because no one believes or wants it. Instead, you have to resort to quoting something out of context from someone not in office from years ago. That's a lot of work to prove a point that can't be proven because it's false.
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Post by SSHoya on Jul 12, 2019 5:32:42 GMT -5
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Post by Elvado on Jul 12, 2019 6:12:35 GMT -5
I would never try to think like Hillary. She could very easily have said open markets and not said open borders. But at the end of the day, she operates for money or power. You don't need to think like Clinton, I'd like to know what you really believe Elvado... I don't understand why you can't give a straight answer to a straight forward question... Do you really believe that Clinton was talking to a Brazillian Bank about open immigration borders? I think Democrat Party leaders believe that the vast majority of people streaming to our borders will become dependent upon the ever expanding g welfare state and want them as New Democrat voters. Period. Immigration as Voter Registration.
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Post by EtomicB on Jul 12, 2019 9:20:52 GMT -5
You don't need to think like Clinton, I'd like to know what you really believe Elvado... I don't understand why you can't give a straight answer to a straight forward question... Do you really believe that Clinton was talking to a Brazillian Bank about open immigration borders? I think Democrat Party leaders believe that the vast majority of people streaming to our borders will become dependent upon the ever expanding g welfare state and want them as New Democrat voters. Period. Immigration as Voter Registration. Sighhhh, Every time I hear or read this reasoning the question of why can't Republican party leaders convince these same people that their ideology is best pops in my head? Aren't these immigrating folks free agents so to speak? Unfortunately, the essence of this quote from LBJ still rings very true today, especially the 2nd part... President Lyndon B. Johnson once said, "If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you.
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Post by SSHoya on Jul 12, 2019 10:14:42 GMT -5
OTOH, you'll never see Trump cultists and GOP sycophants concede or acknowledge that Trump uses racist dog whistles to encourage the white supremacists, neo-Nazis and alt- right nativists to encourage them to vote Republican.
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Post by Elvado on Jul 12, 2019 10:41:59 GMT -5
I think Democrat Party leaders believe that the vast majority of people streaming to our borders will become dependent upon the ever expanding g welfare state and want them as New Democrat voters. Period. Immigration as Voter Registration. Sighhhh, Every time I hear or read this reasoning the question of why can't Republican party leaders convince these same people that their ideology is best pops in my head? Aren't these immigrating folks free agents so to speak? Unfortunately, the essence of this quote from LBJ still rings very true today, especially the 2nd part... President Lyndon B. Johnson once said, "If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you.Is that the same LBJ who talked about having “those N words voting Democrat for the next 200 years”? Fine guy to quote.
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Post by EtomicB on Jul 12, 2019 12:05:07 GMT -5
Sighhhh, Every time I hear or read this reasoning the question of why can't Republican party leaders convince these same people that their ideology is best pops in my head? Aren't these immigrating folks free agents so to speak? Unfortunately, the essence of this quote from LBJ still rings very true today, especially the 2nd part... President Lyndon B. Johnson once said, "If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you.Is that the same LBJ who talked about having “those N words voting Democrat for the next 200 years”? Fine guy to quote. LOL! Interesting how you attack the messenger not the message... Seems to me a person/politician who lived their entire life with bigoted/racist views is a good source to explain how to get people to think the way they do... Also, even horrible folks make salient points Elvado...
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jul 12, 2019 12:08:32 GMT -5
LBJ was not a racist--people throw around that term today without understanding it. LBJ was unabashedly crude and liked to say things to get attention, but he moved on civil rights in a velocity JFK would have never done and which put him at odds with the "solid south" of the Democratic party. In some ways, LBJ relished a fight like this, because his growing up poor in South Texas gave him a fervor on the issue that he wasn't going to relinquish to senators who he often looked down on as being overeducated and politically weak. Had Vietnam not overwhelmed his second term, it would have been interesting to see what he would have done, much like what if 9/11 had not diverted GW Bush's plans for his own presidency.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2019 12:10:10 GMT -5
Sighhhh, Every time I hear or read this reasoning the question of why can't Republican party leaders convince these same people that their ideology is best pops in my head? Aren't these immigrating folks free agents so to speak? Unfortunately, the essence of this quote from LBJ still rings very true today, especially the 2nd part... President Lyndon B. Johnson once said, "If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you.Is that the same LBJ who talked about having “those N words voting Democrat for the next 200 years”? Fine guy to quote. LBJ had a lot of bigoted views like most of his contemporaries. He used racial epithets frequently, but there's very little evidence that he said that actual quote. It's funny that you would share it though for a number of reasons given the context of the discussion we were just having...
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Jul 12, 2019 19:35:27 GMT -5
Weaponizing people's misery for political gain is the Evangelical Christian thing to do....
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Post by SSHoya on Jul 12, 2019 20:27:45 GMT -5
Weaponizing people's misery for political gain is the Evangelical Christian thing to do.... Fake Christians. Their support of intentional cruelty to children is really special.
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Post by hoya9797 on Jul 13, 2019 10:59:22 GMT -5
Weaponizing people's misery for political gain is the Evangelical Christian thing to do.... It's always good to remember that the more religious a person claims to be, the more likely he or she will be a horrible monster.
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Post by badgerhoya on Jul 13, 2019 14:24:15 GMT -5
Weaponizing people's misery for political gain is the Evangelical Christian thing to do.... It's always good to remember that the more religious a person claims to be, the more likely he or she will be a horrible monster. I mean, it’s clear that the real victims in this story are the white evangelicals. Having to press one for English is such a hardship.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2019 17:28:17 GMT -5
At least 24 migrants have died in ICE custody. Outbreaks of scabies, shingles & chickenpox were spreading among detainees. OIG found 41 detainees living in a cell built for eight, 155 occupying a room for 35. People trapped in these rooms stand on toilets to gain breathing space.
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Post by hoya9797 on Jul 13, 2019 17:33:12 GMT -5
These concentration camps are on the brink of becoming death camps.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2019 7:27:36 GMT -5
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