paranoia2
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Post by paranoia2 on Apr 13, 2018 22:11:25 GMT -5
I believe a another year of coaching from an all time great C who could shoot from the perimeter cannot hurt Jessie. If he has a sick senior season and a lot of publicity he could be a top 20 pick next year.
Jessie’s return would be BIG. Forwards? Yes. Guards? Looking very good. Center?
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hoyarooter
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Post by hoyarooter on Apr 16, 2018 20:16:43 GMT -5
I think this would be a complete non-event for everyone if Marcus had not said that he is hiring an agent. As was pointed out frequently above, the current process is a clear invitation to juniors to test their draft stock at no risk. There's no reason Jesse shouldn't do this, and there would have been no reason for Marcus not to do this without hiring an agent. It's the apparent finality of Marcus's decision that has everyone freaked out, and terrified that Jesse will leave too. As for me, if Jesse leaves I will be stunned.
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Post by tashoya on Apr 16, 2018 20:23:29 GMT -5
I think this would be a complete non-event for everyone if Marcus had not said that he is hiring an agent. As was pointed out frequently above, the current process is a clear invitation to juniors to test their draft stock at no risk. There's no reason Jesse shouldn't do this, and there would have been no reason for Marcus not to do this without hiring an agent. It's the apparent finality of Marcus's decision that has everyone freaked out, and terrified that Jesse will leave too. As for me, if Jesse leaves I will be stunned. Well stated.
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Post by tashoya on Apr 16, 2018 20:23:53 GMT -5
I think this would be a complete non-event for everyone if Marcus had not said that he is hiring an agent. As was pointed out frequently above, the current process is a clear invitation to juniors to test their draft stock at no risk. There's no reason Jesse shouldn't do this, and there would have been no reason for Marcus not to do this without hiring an agent. It's the apparent finality of Marcus's decision that has everyone freaked out, and terrified that Jesse will leave too. As for me, if Jesse leaves I will be stunned. Well stated. I agree completely.
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saxagael
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Post by saxagael on Apr 17, 2018 12:55:59 GMT -5
These days if a player is in the top 100 or so it makes sense to test the waters and get feedback. If not clearly in the 60 that get drafted go back to school with what you learned and hone your skills you know you need to work on. This year it seems like it is about the top 150 looking and testing the waters. From what I’ve heard from players it is some of the best and most constructive feedback they get. Most head back to school in not slated for the first round or early second round.
I would be really surprised if Jesse stayed in the draft.
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Post by saxagael on Apr 17, 2018 12:59:06 GMT -5
Also Jesse has 8 to 12 bigs who are better than he is in the draft this year and not many teams looking for bigs specifically. A handful of teams have a need for off the bench rim protectors and rebounders, but that isn’t Jesse, yet.
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Post by veilside21 on Apr 18, 2018 16:20:32 GMT -5
If only Jessie showed that he can play great defense he would be a first rounder. that's what he needs to work on this school year and i hope he is aware of that
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Post by 95hoya on Apr 18, 2018 16:49:29 GMT -5
I don't think there's anything he can do to improve his stock. He's just really limited athletically and doesn't fit the mold of the current NBA 5.
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Apr 18, 2018 17:11:02 GMT -5
I don't think there's anything he can do to improve his stock. He's just really limited athletically and doesn't fit the mold of the current NBA 5. He can bulk up, get a post move that's automatic, play better defense, get more consistent from three, and pass better out of the double. Those are reasonable development points that absolutely improve his stock. He's not "bouncy" but he's a big guy with a long wingspan who can shoot. He definitely can improve his stock. MD I'd agree since he's neither long nor quick enough and never will be. But Govan has upside to realize.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Apr 18, 2018 18:18:21 GMT -5
I wonder if Yurt7 May ultimately be a better prospect than both MD and JG. Govan definitely can improve, but the league ain’t easy to make.
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Post by MCIGuy on Apr 18, 2018 18:48:34 GMT -5
Govan is already one of the better rebounding bigs in college. Good Lord, do you folks just naturally devalue all the players in a Gtown uniform? That doesn't bode well for the recruits you guys crave for now whom you will only be dismissive of once they play for GU.
Govan is athletic enough to get his roughly 6'11 and 270 pounds frame up and down the court relatively quickly as well as being graceful enough on offense. He doesn't have explosive athleticism or elite quickness but as it has been pointed out before if he had both of those things to go along with the rest of his skills he would have likely gone to Duke, Kentucky or Kansas. And I might add his athleticism is no worse than some bigs in the NBA right now, particularly the Euros, who are in starting lineups for teams. Hell, there is no indication he is any less athletic that Yurtseven.
Does his defense need work? Absolutely; it is his biggest weakness. But its more of a weakness in terms of him switching and guarding opponents on the perimeter. His rim protection is solid but could use some major improvement too. However rim protection and athleticism are not necessarily the most important criteria for NBA fives. The key thing for a five in the NBA these days is the ability to space the court by being a stretch five. That is the key to Govan's chances: his ability to be able to make shots from all angles and all distances as he faces the basket thereby not clogging up the paint for teammates driving to the hoop. That's how some of those less athletic bigs in the NBA are making a living: they can shoot from outside reliably. To say Govan "doesn't fit the mold" of NBA fives of this current era is a curious claim to make considering he plays in a similar vein. He may not be good enough to make a team (though I doubt that) but he certainly has that more modern faceup bigman game to go along with his post skills.
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Post by iheartdurenbros on Apr 18, 2018 18:52:17 GMT -5
It’s not just about improving NBA draft stock. If Govan came back he could improve his stick in international leagues as well. It’s really not easy. It takes maturity to play abroad in addition to the fact these spots are competitive. The country and other aspects of the situation are important. So Govan should come back. Period.
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Post by mdtd on Apr 28, 2018 19:29:45 GMT -5
Any updates on if he recieved a combine invitation?
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Post by saxagael on Apr 28, 2018 19:51:48 GMT -5
Any updates on if he recieved a combine invitation? Nothing heard yet, but invites seem to be out. Govan wasn't on any of the 150 lists the last few days (from people estimating), which is tough as he was in the 60s last summer.
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Post by SaxaCD on Apr 28, 2018 20:58:43 GMT -5
If he does come back, add him to the growing list of guys with a chip on their shoulder playing with something to prove.
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Post by saxagael on Apr 29, 2018 8:40:17 GMT -5
If he does come back, add him to the growing list of guys with a chip on their shoulder playing with something to prove. I don’t see how he doesn’t come back. He could have a chip, but most likely doing it to really understand how much he has to improve and what it is he needs to improve. He really should have done this last summer. This would be a horrible draft for Govan to enter as he has no shot at first round and is no longer considered a top 150 player. This year there is a lot of talent in the draft that is tall and can shoot, but the lathers also are far more athletic, showed they were in condition to play all out all season (sort college), were adept defenders (not a defensive liability), and could play inside well against other players their size. Govan has a lot of work for next year just to be drafted, but with a lot of work could make a first round pick. The other thing working against Govan is they NBA isn’t looking to fill the role he could fit in. The bigs that are making it in the NBA athletic, can take players off the dribble, lead with assists and as play Lakers, and (or) are solid inside defenders. These aren’t Govan’s strengths and many are not in his reach. It will take a team feeling to fill a niche role to draft him next year. Hi Bert has talked about this shift in one or two recent interviews saying he wouldn’t have been drafted in today’s NBA. Govan should be able to adjust somewhat with good work, but it could be more than a one year project to get there, which is why he should have dipped his toe in last year as well to better under stand what he needed to do to really get ready for the next big step. Right now he has a long way to go to close that gap.
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Post by prhoya on Apr 29, 2018 9:40:29 GMT -5
Govan needs to focus on conditioning, aggressiveness on both sides of the court and the desire to be the best now, not when his last season is over and just before the NBA combines. Ewing should do his Derrickson routine on Govan and his defending.
With Delgado gone, who would challenge Jessie for BE First Team in his position? I haven't checked the league rosters.
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Post by blueandgray on Apr 29, 2018 10:24:02 GMT -5
Spellman should he return.
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Post by saxagael on Apr 29, 2018 10:38:55 GMT -5
Govan needs to focus on conditioning, aggressiveness on both sides of the court and the desire to be the best now, not when his last season is over and just before the NBA combines. Ewing should do his Derrickson routine on Govan and his defending. With Delgado gone, who would challenge Jessie for BE First Team in his position? I haven't checked the league rosters. Ewing got after and into Derrickson as he had good foundations to build upon. Govan has good offensive capabilities to mold, which he showed this past year. On the defensive side Govan is missing a lot of defensive basics, which he only started filling in this past year (he really should have spent a lot of time with Hayes when he had the opportunity to learn spacing, location, positioning, defensive footwork, and reading the other teams patterns to adjust as things shift not after things switch. Govan needs to spend a lot of film time and court time just working on defensive basics and get a much better foundation to build upon. Agree with aggressiveness, that paired with vastly improved understanding of how to be positioned and what to do on defense would help quite a bit. Govan's conditioning needs a lot of work, but in the middle of this past season it seems like he was battling flu or something for a couple weeks before the week break that had him drained. He was playing a lot more minutes this year, but it is only a small slice of what is needed at the next level, so that conditioning needs to be there to be considered as a credible option for the next level.
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Post by prhoya on Apr 29, 2018 10:49:30 GMT -5
Spellman should he return. We’ll see, but he should have the pre-season hype. Here’s the BE press release: www.google.com/amp/s/www.bigeastcoastbias.com/platform/amp/2018/3/4/17078140/all-big-east-teams-jalen-brunson-trevon-bluiettThe First Team had 6 players and the tallest was 6’7” (that sixth spot was created to honor a second player in the same position as another outstanding player deserving of First-Team honors). The Second Team had Delgado and Marcus. The All-Frosh Team had second-year frosh Spellman and Nate Watson. That’s Govan’s competition. He needs to really want the honor and do exactly like Pat tells him. IMO, last year he lost the All-BE Team honors in that January-February slump. He needs to be consistent and he’s in.
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