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Post by bostonfan on Apr 12, 2018 9:37:20 GMT -5
Sounds like Govan's dream is play in the NBA. If that is the case, this is exactly why this rule exists. He can get the feedback needed to improve his stock and raise his profile for next season. Ewing is a very good resource for him to work with on his weaknesses and hopefully next season he can be in better position with the NBA. With MD declaring and leaving, Govan is in position to put up some great numbers next season. While none of us really know what will happen with these two guys once they get to the combine and get some feedback, I would expect Jessie to be back. Not a knock on him as a player but I just think another year will help him develop into a better player. I am interested to hear from Coach Ewing on what he thinks about these two guys declaring. My guess is he will give the standard line of wishing them well and appreciating everything they have done for the program, but I have not seen any statement from him yet and I find that a little surprising.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Apr 12, 2018 11:40:01 GMT -5
I hope Jesse is talking to MD about not signing with an agent. Both should test, both would then come back if they listen to that input.
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Post by BigmanU on Apr 12, 2018 14:00:27 GMT -5
My guess is that we only get Yurtseven if Govan decides to leave. As much as we might like to believe otherwise, both Govan and Yurtseven just cannot play significant minutes together. It makes no sense for Yurtseven to come to Georgetown if Govan stays, there won't be enough minutes for two guys who both want to showcase their talent for the NBA/high level international pro scouts next year. Hopefully we have at least one of these guys next year to give us a big man offensive presence. Ewing always said this is going to be a long rebuild. We got excited about maybe being a tournament team next year because Derrickson and Govan were so good this season. But we just don't have the culture yet to hold onto juniors who play as well as those guys did, epecially when they were recruited by a different coach/staff. The real key to the future of the program is going to be be the development of the young guys - Pickett, Blair, Walker, McClung, Carter, LeBlanc. that is what next season is really about. Plus we have to recognize that once a player has a really good season, it is going to be a flip of a coin whether they return the next season, until Ewing establishes the kind of culture that is keeping good players at Villanova, Xavier, etc. for 3 or 4 seasons. Didn't Swanigan & Haus play on that same team at Purdue. I believe Swanigan took Haus' spot. Both played significant minutes nonetheless to maximize their production. It can be done you just have to be creative. It lets both of them give full effort every time they hit the court.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Apr 12, 2018 14:24:48 GMT -5
My guess is that we only get Yurtseven if Govan decides to leave. As much as we might like to believe otherwise, both Govan and Yurtseven just cannot play significant minutes together. It makes no sense for Yurtseven to come to Georgetown if Govan stays, there won't be enough minutes for two guys who both want to showcase their talent for the NBA/high level international pro scouts next year. Hopefully we have at least one of these guys next year to give us a big man offensive presence. Ewing always said this is going to be a long rebuild. We got excited about maybe being a tournament team next year because Derrickson and Govan were so good this season. But we just don't have the culture yet to hold onto juniors who play as well as those guys did, epecially when they were recruited by a different coach/staff. The real key to the future of the program is going to be be the development of the young guys - Pickett, Blair, Walker, McClung, Carter, LeBlanc. that is what next season is really about. Plus we have to recognize that once a player has a really good season, it is going to be a flip of a coin whether they return the next season, until Ewing establishes the kind of culture that is keeping good players at Villanova, Xavier, etc. for 3 or 4 seasons. Didn't Swanigan & Haus play on that same team at Purdue. I believe Swanigan took Haus' spo7. Both played significant minutes nonetheless to maximize their production. It can be done you just have to be create. It lets them both give full effort every time they hit the court. They had Swanigan, Haas, and Hammons in 2016. Two 7 footers splitting time at Center and Swanigan at PF. Then last year they went smallish and had Swanigan and Haas splitting time with 6'8 Edwards at PF. in 2015 they had Hammons and Haas spliting time at Center. So again no reason both can't play and shine.
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Post by calhoya on Apr 12, 2018 16:37:19 GMT -5
Sadly, this is the new reality in college basketball and it is difficult to begrudge these kids for wanting to test the waters. MD and Govan deserve this opportunity. If the goal is the NBA they (at least JG) are likely going to be back. If they prefer an apprenticeship in some lower level professional league then that is what they should do. Truthfully, playing on a losing team in a 1/2-2/3rds empty arena for the past three years, while also attending classes and trying to maintain qualifying grades cannot have been easy. Think about what the Georgetown basketball experience has actually been during their careers.
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Apr 12, 2018 17:36:27 GMT -5
Since Jesse went to two of the three schools that I attended, I always wish him the best. My hope is that he returns, gets his degree, and gets drafted high up the list next year. We old folks on this board deserve to see some good Hoya teams before we go to the big court in the sky.
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Post by drquigley on Apr 12, 2018 20:02:14 GMT -5
If JG leaves then I think we really have to consider that there is something going on at the Hilltop. It just seems that guys can't wait to leave. I mean really, does JG really think he has an NBA future right now? Now maybe there is a personal reason and leaving makes some sense. But when you have the fire drill we've had the last few years, coupled with the fact that the new athletic center was supposed to attract players, you have to wonder what gives. Anyone here on the board hear anything?
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Post by mdtd on Apr 12, 2018 22:03:36 GMT -5
Didn't Swanigan & Haus play on that same team at Purdue. I believe Swanigan took Haus' spo7. Both played significant minutes nonetheless to maximize their production. It can be done you just have to be create. It lets them both give full effort every time they hit the court. They had Swanigan, Haas, and Hammons in 2016. Two 7 footers splitting time at Center and Swanigan at PF. Then last year they went smallish and had Swanigan and Haas splitting time with 6'8 Edwards at PF. in 2015 they had Hammons and Haas spliting time at Center. So again no reason both can't play and shine. And the styles of play of our bigs would mesh better then what they had. Our bigs would all be inside out while those guys were all post bigs. This would give our offense more room to work and if the Akinjo signing happens this could help even more to free up our offense.
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Post by tashoya on Apr 12, 2018 22:25:08 GMT -5
Sadly, this is the new reality in college basketball and it is difficult to begrudge these kids for wanting to test the waters. MD and Govan deserve this opportunity. If the goal is the NBA they (at least JG) are likely going to be back. If they prefer an apprenticeship in some lower level professional league then that is what they should do. Truthfully, playing on a losing team in a 1/2-2/3rds empty arena for the past three years, while also attending classes and trying to maintain qualifying grades cannot have been easy. Think about what the Georgetown basketball experience has actually been during their careers. Forget begrudging. The guys that have even an outside shot should be encouraged to go through the process because it's available to them to do so now. The more information from the greatest number of sources can only serve them well if they have higher level aspirations. But they should also be encouraged to wait to decide on an agent (unless they're a lock for a high lottery pick) until after they get some objective feedback. It allows them to keep their options open while also getting free evaluations from the people that evaluated the guys that made it to where they want to go. It's like a job interview with very little pressure. If you knock it out of the park, you could get a great offer. If you don't, you've lost nothing. The more times you can go through the process, the more comfortable you can become. I would hope that Patrick encouraged both Marcus and Jesse to go through the process. They're not high lottery picks but they're not freshmen either. The time to do it is now. I hope they both benefit from the process and, like everyone, I hope we're surprised and they both return.
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Post by aggypryd on Apr 13, 2018 8:43:50 GMT -5
You're not ready, Jessie.
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Post by Ranch Dressing on Apr 13, 2018 11:45:10 GMT -5
Didn't Roy Hibbert do the same thing, and then decide to come back for his senior year? Trying for positive vibes here.
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Post by the_way on Apr 13, 2018 12:19:04 GMT -5
Didn't Roy Hibbert do the same thing, and then decide to come back for his senior year? Trying for positive vibes here. Yes.Both he and Green did the same thing (Although I can't remember if Jeff hired an agent before his evaluation). Both got feedback. Both made the right decisions based on the feedback. Jeff left and was the #5 pick. Hibbert came back to school.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Apr 13, 2018 12:43:40 GMT -5
The main difference, of course, is that Hibbert would have been a first rounder anyway had he stayed in the draft. I recall some people thinking that Hibbert actually hurt his eventual draft stock by staying another year, but Govan's situation isn't analogous because he won't get drafted in any round.
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Post by the_way on Apr 13, 2018 12:50:39 GMT -5
Hibbert was projected as a non-lottery pick after his junior year, I believe. If he was a guaranteed lotto pick, he might have left like Jeff.
After his senior year people thought he would drop because of his "lack of athleticism". Pacers picked him #17, though.
I think Govan just wants an evaluation on what he needs to improve. It can't hurt.
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Post by MCIGuy on Apr 13, 2018 12:56:50 GMT -5
Hibbert's stock was at its highest following the Hoyas' run to the Final Four during his junior season. He was a hot commodity and pretty much an assured first round pick. There were more concerns following his senior season because his numbers didn't jump much and many thought he had peaked as a prospect and player. It ended up working out well for him though.
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Post by vv83 on Apr 13, 2018 14:46:46 GMT -5
Off topic - but listened to Roy on Larry Wilmore's podcast yesterday, and it sounds like he is definitely done with the NBA. He talked a bit about how the NBA game has changed, with pure low post/protect the rim centers like him not really fitting in anymore. He sounds really thrilled to be a dad, and quite content with his career and with where he is now in his life.
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Post by hoyaatheart55 on Apr 13, 2018 15:37:52 GMT -5
Off topic - but listened to Roy on Larry Wilmore's podcast yesterday, and it sounds like he is definitely done with the NBA. He talked a bit about how the NBA game has changed, with pure low post/protect the rim centers like him not really fitting in anymore. He sounds really thrilled to be a dad, and quite content with his career and with where he is now in his life. Still my favorite Hoya ever (fan since ‘05 btw). I miss Big Roy!
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Post by HoyaRejuveNation85 on Apr 13, 2018 15:55:30 GMT -5
Good for Roy. Great Hoya. Also, it's always easier to be reflective and content when you've gotten paid. He got his NBA money and now can move on to the other important things he can do in his life, personally and professionally. I expect big things out of him.
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Post by mapei on Apr 13, 2018 17:13:18 GMT -5
As I recall, a significant factor in Roy's decision was that he really loved Georgetown and being in school. It sure would be nice to hear that sentiment again from someone - at this point, anyone - with other choices.
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Post by jester on Apr 13, 2018 20:00:04 GMT -5
Totally off topic, but yes, everything about Roy was awesome - his college career arc, his personality, his NBA career arc (peaking with those Lebron - verticality years) to his Parks and Rec cameos to his engagement with pacers community (he has some fun stunts on youtube). He seems to make the most out of everything. One of the few things that got in his way was where the NBA went - he could no doubt play elsewhere, but he does things to bring joy to himself and other people - and seems like thats where his priority is now with his family. Great ambassador for GU.
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