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Post by MCIGuy on May 18, 2018 21:02:25 GMT -5
“I think I have a really good chance to being a late first-round pick,” DiVincenzo told ESPN. “Obviously, things can change, other people can fall in the draft. I’m aware of that. But my confidence level is that I can be a first-round pick.” This is going to be interesting. Obviously Wright's program has been on a major roll with no slow-down in sight. But to lose his best four players in one off-season, all NBA-caliber, is a major blow. First of all every last one of them had at least a year of eligibility left (I do realize one or two had graduated). This means Nova has caught up to or fallen down next to all the other programs who lose guys early to the NBA or NBA dreams. This may be what Villanova has to go through going forward as it starts bringing in higher ranked recruits. This may also affect Wright's redshirting techniques. If he loses all four guys then there will undoubtedly be one or two players he will have to get up to speed rather than allowing them to take their time during a redshirt year. This could lead to a domino effect with Wright not being able to rely on the redshirt option as a result of the unpredictability of players' departures as more elite guys head to his program. I suppose those can be good problems.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on May 18, 2018 21:39:02 GMT -5
I would be pretty shocked if they get to 9 wins, much less more. Mullins has never gotten the best out of one of his teams, not expecting it next year either. So going from 1-17 to 7-11 is a disappointment in your view Frazier? I didn't say it was a disappointment, but given the talent the team had on paper (and reflected by the few big wins they did have), do you think Mullins got them to play up to their full potential? Edit: The coaches picked them to finish fifth, and most predictions had them between fifth and seventh.
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Post by EtomicB on May 19, 2018 0:18:40 GMT -5
So going from 1-17 to 7-11 is a disappointment in your view Frazier? I didn't say it was a disappointment, but given the talent the team had on paper (and reflected by the few big wins they did have), do you think Mullins got them to play up to their full potential? Edit: The coaches picked them to finish fifth, and most predictions had them between fifth and seventh. In your previous post, you stated that "Mullins has never gotten the best out of one of his teams" but his team improved a lot in his 2nd season.. No doubt this past season was disappointing, however, you have to agree that Lovette getting injured was a big setback for them..
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2018 5:27:21 GMT -5
I didn't say it was a disappointment, but given the talent the team had on paper (and reflected by the few big wins they did have), do you think Mullins got them to play up to their full potential? Edit: The coaches picked them to finish fifth, and most predictions had them between fifth and seventh. In your previous post, you stated that "Mullins has never gotten the best out of one of his teams" but his team improved a lot in his 2nd season.. No doubt this past season was disappointing, however, you have to agree that Lovette getting injured was a big setback for them.. What does year over year improvement have to do with getting the most from a single team? One team had Ponds (and others), one didn't.
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Post by EtomicB on May 19, 2018 9:42:44 GMT -5
In your previous post, you stated that "Mullins has never gotten the best out of one of his teams" but his team improved a lot in his 2nd season.. No doubt this past season was disappointing, however, you have to agree that Lovette getting injured was a big setback for them.. What does year over year improvement have to do with getting the most from a single team? One team had Ponds (and others), one didn't. Nothing much I suppose but trying to determine "getting the most out of anything" seems pretty subjective to me so I'd rather look at record.. Imo Mullins did a good job with his 2nd-year team..
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Post by DFW HOYA on May 19, 2018 12:19:14 GMT -5
St. John's has been a revolving door for too many years. In 2015, Mullin signed six players for what would be this upcoming senior class:
Marcus Lovett...left school in January Kassoum Yakwe...announced transfer in April Yankuba Sima...transferred in 2016 Malik Ellison...transferred in 2017 Darien Williams...transferred in 2017 Federico Mussini...left school to play in Europe, 2017
Or how about 2016? Shamorie Ponds...weighing a pro offer Bashir Ahmed (JC)...completed eligibility Richard Freudenberg...left school 2017
Or 2017? Zach Brown...kicked off team after two arrests Sidney Wilson...transferred summer 2017 before he enrolled Bryan Trimble Jr...still on team Boubacar Diakite...transferred May 2018
That's a total of one recruit still on the team after the first three recruiting classes.
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Post by drquigley on May 19, 2018 16:06:56 GMT -5
Forget the lost recruits. There is no way a team with that much talent last year should have played so poorly. You don't stink up the joint for 10+ games then beat Nova and Duke back to back and then stink up the joint again. There was a definite lack of commitment on the part of the players that I believe was related to their coach. Mullin never seems to get his players to perform when he wants them to. Instead they seem to pick their spots and their games. Compare how much more PE got out of his team last year than what Mullin got out of his.
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Post by DFW HOYA on May 19, 2018 16:33:44 GMT -5
Forget the lost recruits. There is no way a team with that much talent last year should have played so poorly. You don't stink up the joint for 10+ games then beat Nova and Duke back to back and then stink up the joint again. There was a definite lack of commitment on the part of the players that I believe was related to their coach. Mullin never seems to get his players to perform when he wants them to. Instead they seem to pick their spots and their games. Compare how much more PE got out of his team last year than what Mullin got out of his. Teams are a reflection of its coach. Mullin seems to lack the passion night in and night out, and so does his team. And amidst it all, he's not close to the worst program in the Big East.
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Post by SaxaCD on May 20, 2018 6:59:43 GMT -5
Forget the lost recruits. There is no way a team with that much talent last year should have played so poorly. You don't stink up the joint for 10+ games then beat Nova and Duke back to back and then stink up the joint again. There was a definite lack of commitment on the part of the players that I believe was related to their coach. Mullin never seems to get his players to perform when he wants them to. Instead they seem to pick their spots and their games. Compare how much more PE got out of his team last year than what Mullin got out of his. Teams are a reflection of its coach. Mullin seems to lack the passion night in and night out, and so does his team. And amidst it all, he's not close to the worst program in the Big East. And we were still better than them!
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Post by EtomicB on May 20, 2018 11:21:21 GMT -5
Forget the lost recruits. There is no way a team with that much talent last year should have played so poorly. You don't stink up the joint for 10+ games then beat Nova and Duke back to back and then stink up the joint again. There was a definite lack of commitment on the part of the players that I believe was related to their coach. Mullin never seems to get his players to perform when he wants them to. Instead they seem to pick their spots and their games. Compare how much more PE got out of his team last year than what Mullin got out of his. St. john’s won their next two games(Marquette & DePaul) after beating Duke & Nova.. They also beat Butler & Gtown after those wins as well, just stating for the record.. If their team had so much talent why were only 6 kids getting playing time at the end of the season? Obviously the jury is still out on Mullins but folks make it seem as if he’s going into his 6th or 7th year.. I find it kinda interesting to read DFW and others going in on the amount of transfers at St. John’s considering this is the graduation year of Gtowns much heralded 2014 class..
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on May 20, 2018 11:50:39 GMT -5
Forget the lost recruits. There is no way a team with that much talent last year should have played so poorly. You don't stink up the joint for 10+ games then beat Nova and Duke back to back and then stink up the joint again. There was a definite lack of commitment on the part of the players that I believe was related to their coach. Mullin never seems to get his players to perform when he wants them to. Instead they seem to pick their spots and their games. Compare how much more PE got out of his team last year than what Mullin got out of his. St. john’s won their next two games(Marquette & DePaul) after beating Duke & Nova.. They also beat Butler & Gtown after those wins as well, just stating for the record.. If their team had so much talent why were only 6 kids getting playing time at the end of the season? Obviously the jury is still out on Mullins but folks make it seem as if he’s going into his 6th or 7th year.. I find it kinda interesting to read DFW and others going in on the amount of transfers at St. John’s considering this is the graduation year of Gtowns much heralded 2014 class.. PREACH!!!
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Post by prhoya on May 20, 2018 13:55:50 GMT -5
I find it kinda interesting to read DFW and others going in on the amount of transfers at St. John’s considering this is the graduation year of Gtowns much heralded 2014 class.. So true...
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Post by DFW HOYA on May 20, 2018 15:46:50 GMT -5
I find it kinda interesting to read DFW and others going in on the amount of transfers at St. John’s considering this is the graduation year of Gtowns much heralded 2014 class.. So true... Yes, transfers have been corrosive to Georgetown, and yes, the departure of the 80 percent of original class of 2018 (Tre Campbell, Isaac Copeland, L.J. Peak, Paul White) set the course for JT III's demise much as the departures of Drew Hall, Tony Bethel, and Harvey Thomas paved the way for Craig Esherick's final season. But Ewing has some real building blocks in the last two recruiting classes while Mullin continues to spin his wheels and fail to build momentum. Here's the lineup of the Redmen if Ponds stays (returning players in bold): PG: Shamorie Ponds (Jr., 21.6 ppg),Mikey Dixon (RS Jr., transfer from Quinnipiac) SG: Justin Simon (RS Jr., transfer from Arizona, 12.2 ppg), , Bryan Trimble (So., 3.1 ppg), Greg Williams (Fr.) SF: Marvin Clark, (RS Sr., transfer from Michigan St., 12.5 ppg), LJ Figueroa (So. from JC) PF: Josh Roberts (Fr.), Marcellus Earlington(Fr.) C: Sedee Keita (RS So, transfer from South Carolina, DNP in 2017-18) Two players are inbound transfers and are sitting out: David Caraher (Houston Baptist, 3 yrs remaining), Eli Wright (Mississippi St, 2 yrs. remaining) with one open scholarship. That's two players taller than 6-7 on the active roster.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on May 20, 2018 20:31:30 GMT -5
Forget the lost recruits. There is no way a team with that much talent last year should have played so poorly. You don't stink up the joint for 10+ games then beat Nova and Duke back to back and then stink up the joint again. There was a definite lack of commitment on the part of the players that I believe was related to their coach. Mullin never seems to get his players to perform when he wants them to. Instead they seem to pick their spots and their games. Compare how much more PE got out of his team last year than what Mullin got out of his. St. john’s won their next two games(Marquette & DePaul) after beating Duke & Nova.. They also beat Butler & Gtown after those wins as well, just stating for the record.. If their team had so much talent why were only 6 kids getting playing time at the end of the season? Obviously the jury is still out on Mullins but folks make it seem as if he’s going into his 6th or 7th year.. I find it kinda interesting to read DFW and others going in on the amount of transfers at St. John’s considering this is the graduation year of Gtowns much heralded 2014 class.. The coach who recruited that 2014 class, and who failed to find success with it, lost his job. So I guess what you are really saying is that Mullins should lose his if he does not get to the NCAA's next season.😉
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2018 20:38:09 GMT -5
St. john’s won their next two games(Marquette & DePaul) after beating Duke & Nova.. They also beat Butler & Gtown after those wins as well, just stating for the record.. If their team had so much talent why were only 6 kids getting playing time at the end of the season? Obviously the jury is still out on Mullins but folks make it seem as if he’s going into his 6th or 7th year.. I find it kinda interesting to read DFW and others going in on the amount of transfers at St. John’s considering this is the graduation year of Gtowns much heralded 2014 class.. The coach who recruited that 2014 class, and who failed to find success with it, lost his job. So I guess what you are really saying is that Mullins should lose his if he does not get to the NCAA's next season.😉 Am I missing a joke w/ this "Mullins" stuff? I'm not a big spell-checker, but my OCD flares up every time you & Etomic write that. Jeff Mullins doesn't deserve the disrespect of any kind of association with Chris Mullin's coaching.
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Post by EtomicB on May 20, 2018 21:05:18 GMT -5
The coach who recruited that 2014 class, and who failed to find success with it, lost his job. So I guess what you are really saying is that Mullins should lose his if he does not get to the NCAA's next season.😉 Am I missing a joke w/ this "Mullins" stuff? I'm not a big spell-checker, but my OCD flares up every time you & Etomic write that. Jeff Mullins doesn't deserve the disrespect of any kind of association with Chris Mullin's coaching. Noted, I'll definitely look out for that in the future..
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on May 20, 2018 21:48:54 GMT -5
I find it kinda interesting to read DFW and others going in on the amount of transfers at St. John’s considering this is the graduation year of Gtowns much heralded 2014 class.. It’s a good reflection that in modern basketball it’s hard to succeed without much stability on your roster (unless you’re one of the few schools that constantly reload with top 20 guys). The 2014 class was really disastrous - not only because people ended up transferring but also because the talent simply didn’t live up to the level expected. Peak is really the only one who came pretty close to his expectations while on our roster - that really sealed the deal on JT3’s fate.
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Post by tribeninerhoya on May 21, 2018 7:17:06 GMT -5
Jeff Mullins doesn't deserve the disrespect of any kind of association with Chris Mullin's coaching. Jeff Mullins was indeed a damn fine coach.
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Post by EtomicB on May 21, 2018 8:26:27 GMT -5
St. John's has been a revolving door for too many years. In 2015, Mullin signed six players for what would be this upcoming senior class: Marcus Lovett...left school in January Kassoum Yakwe...announced transfer in April Yankuba Sima...transferred in 2016 Malik Ellison...transferred in 2017 Darien Williams...transferred in 2017 Federico Mussini...left school to play in Europe, 2017 Or how about 2016? Shamorie Ponds...weighing a pro offer Bashir Ahmed (JC)...completed eligibility Richard Freudenberg...left school 2017 Or 2017? Zach Brown...kicked off team after two arrests Sidney Wilson...transferred summer 2017 before he enrolled Bryan Trimble Jr...still on teamBoubacar Diakite...transferred May 2018 That's a total of one recruit still on the team after the first three recruiting classes. verbalcommits.com/schools/georgetownUsing the Verbal Commits site I totaled up the number of transfer for the BE from the 2014 class on.. I didn't count kids who left for pro ball(SH got a break with Aquille Carr).. Butler - 5 Creighton - 5 DePaul - 8 Gtown - 5 Marquette - 6 Providence - 6 Seton Hall - 9 St. John's - 8 Xavier - 5 Villanova - 0As much as folks want to beat up on Mullin, the truth is he's not that far off from 8 of the other 9 teams in the league when it comes to transfers.. Hoyasaxa2003 mentioned that you need stability to succeed but Seton Hall has been to 3 straight tourney's, Butler 4 and PC & Xavier have been to 5 straight despite kids transferring.. As I posted previously the jury is still out on Mullin and staff but in my view he has a more talented roster now than he did when he started and that's what matter most.. P.S. - The fact that Nova has had zero is truly a testament to how well Wright is doing right now..
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Post by EtomicB on May 21, 2018 9:27:51 GMT -5
Emmitt Holt, Providence
Ed Cooley has had to be a magician with his personnel numerous times during his tenure at Providence and that continued last season in the Friars’ frontcourt due to Holt’s condition. The veteran big man averaged 12.5 points and 5.4 rebounds two years ago, but didn’t play a minute last season due to an abdominal injury. With Holt back in tow, Cooley should have one of the best baselines in the Big East in ’18-19 featuring Holt, Kalif Young, Nate Watson, and redshirt freshman Dajour Dickens.
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