DFW HOYA
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jun 19, 2005 12:33:45 GMT -5
An article on how Houston Coach Tom Penders told four players to transfer to add seven new players to the team. "I have a great deal of compassion for all of them. But scholarships at the Division I level are on a year-to-year basis. Without a doubt, this is the best thing, both for the players and for our program. I think that some of these kids will have an opportunity now to excel at a level where they'll be more comfortable." Yeah, right. www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/sports/bk/bkc/men/3231761 |
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Post by MCIGuy on Jun 19, 2005 12:55:26 GMT -5
I didn't even realize that Penders had fooled someone else into giving him a job.
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Post by StPetersburgHoya (Inactive) on Jun 19, 2005 14:24:22 GMT -5
I agree with MCI, why is someone trusting Tom Penders with something even resembling a basketball program? That man is a cancer in the locker room at the coaching level.
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DFW HOYA
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jun 19, 2005 15:02:32 GMT -5
I agree with MCI, why is someone trusting Tom Penders with something even resembling a basketball program? When I was growing up in the sunset days of the Southwest Conference, there were two dominant basketball programs: Houston and Arkansas. Twenty years ago, Houston athletics could boast of three NCAA finals appearances in consecutive years and sold-out crowds at Hoffheinz Pavilion. Since 1984, UH hasn't won a single NCAA post-season game, and hasn't even made the field in 13 years. (As to Hoffheinz, I drove the four hours for the 2001 rematch between the 1984 finals teams. The game drew an announced crowd of 3,931, which was more like 2,200.) Peoiple lament how Georgetown can't get recruits--does any major recruit Houston list in their top five schools lately? Their record doesn't help. UH is a non-entity in Conference USA, and the last five years before their coaching change illustrate this. How would Georgetown fans feel with records like this: 1999-00: 9-22 2000-01: 9-20 2001-02: 18-15 2002-03: 8-20 2003-04: 9-18 Penders carries baggage with him, but he also wins. It was Penders, not Rick Barnes, that took a Texas program averaging only 4,028 a game (for a school of 50,000 undergrads), doubled the attendance in one year, and took the 'Horns to eight NCAA tournaments in ten years. The Cougar fans remember that and just hope he can do the same for them. The year before Penders got to Houston the Cougars averaged only 2,800 a game at a school of 35,000. He doubled the wins from 9 to 18 and boosted attendance 45%. That's all the numbers he needs there to sweep the roster, unfortunately. |
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Post by HoyaNJ5 on Jun 19, 2005 17:28:30 GMT -5
I agree with MCI, why is someone trusting Tom Penders with something even resembling a basketball program? When I was growing up in the sunset days of the Southwest Conference, there were two dominant basketball programs: Houston and Arkansas. Twenty years ago, Houston athletics could boast of three NCAA finals appearances in consecutive years and sold-out crowds at Hoffheinz Pavilion. Since 1984, UH hasn't won a single NCAA post-season game, and hasn't even made the field in 13 years. (As to Hoffheinz, I drove the four hours for the 2001 rematch between the 1984 finals teams. The game drew an announced crowd of 3,931, which was more like 2,200.) Peoiple lament how Georgetown can't get recruits--does any major recruit Houston list in their top five schools lately? Their record doesn't help. UH is a non-entity in Conference USA, and the last five years before their coaching change illustrate this. How would Georgetown fans feel with records like this: 1999-00: 9-22 2000-01: 9-20 2001-02: 18-15 2002-03: 8-20 2003-04: 9-18 Penders carries baggage with him, but he also wins. It was Penders, not Rick Barnes, that took a Texas program averaging only 4,028 a game (for a school of 50,000 undergrads), doubled the attendance in one year, and took the 'Horns to eight NCAA tournaments in ten years. The Cougar fans remember that and just hope he can do the same for them. The year before Penders got to Houston the Cougars averaged only 2,800 a game at a school of 35,000. He doubled the wins from 9 to 18 and boosted attendance 45%. That's all the numbers he needs there to sweep the roster, unfortunately. DFW, I'm a little confused, in light of your initial post. Are you defending Penders's action or are you just defending him as a quality coach? |
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jun 19, 2005 19:29:43 GMT -5
DFW, I'm a little confused, in light of your initial post. Are you defending Penders's action or are you just defending him as a quality coach? Neither. All I was saying was that Houston fans will choose to look past Penders' problems at Texas if it means returning Cougar basketball to the national stage. (His GW years are largely ignored there, as are Columbia, Fordham, and URI). |
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Post by NickHoya215 on Jun 19, 2005 20:21:04 GMT -5
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Post by StPetersburgHoya (Inactive) on Jun 19, 2005 21:10:15 GMT -5
Who coached at Houston before Penders? Didn't Clyde Drexler coach his alma mater for one season?
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Post by lichoya68 on Jun 19, 2005 22:16:30 GMT -5
was sitting with someone who was talking to jack kavantz the gw ad.. he said that kavantz felt it was really bad to have been done to by someone he thougth was a friend..... im not sure exactly what the thing was.. but there is an interesting georgetown connection.. when i was in high school there were three great players jimmy lyddy from farifield prep who went to gu and was captain there i think.. jack kavantz who played at harding high in bpt conn ...and then tommy penders who played at stratford high .. all in the same league and big competitors.. the MBIAC CONFERENCE. well thats the kavantz and penders history not sure what happened but sounds bad ...and jim lyddy last i heard,,, a great guy by the way ....was like in admissions at jesuit seattle u in washington..i think havenet heard from or about him in a zillion years... anyone know where the third of that triumvirate is let me know.. go hoyas lets always keep it clean and be proud.. little worried about the san jose state schedule change...hope we get some word on that
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Jun 21, 2005 9:28:51 GMT -5
I think this is pretty weak by Penders. Kids go to school for four years and although I realize it is a year by year commitment, why can't players transfer and play the next year? Why do they have to get a release from the school? All of this is NCAA hypocrisy at its finest.
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Post by the_way on Jun 21, 2005 9:30:29 GMT -5
Sitting out a year is to cut down on the amount of transfers. If kids didn't sit out a year after transferring, kids would be leaving for other schools right and left.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Jun 21, 2005 10:15:44 GMT -5
That is my point. I think if schools can cut ties with kids from one year to the next, then players should be able to do the same without penalty. Treat it like the business it is. What I am saying here, is that schools should have to be more committed to their student athletes. Scholarships should be a four year commitment from the school and if the player goes pro, he/she should have to pay back the scholarship. I am not proposing that transfers should be able to treat teams like the NBA and move to the program with the best shot of getting it done.
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Post by StPetersburgHoya (Inactive) on Jun 21, 2005 11:57:59 GMT -5
Well I don't know if i would want to be a recruit of Penders if I knew that I could get shipped out of Houston the next year if i didn't immediately fit in and earn a spot - so i think the move is counter-intuitive.
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