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Post by bicentennial on May 26, 2018 11:58:27 GMT -5
I still think every time a team pressed us and Mosely was not on the court the ball was turned over last season. Mosely also turned but ball over some of the time when pressed but far less than the other guards.
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Post by bigskyhoya on May 26, 2018 11:59:04 GMT -5
Kaleb better step up his game if he wants 25 minutes. "2017-18 BE season" Kaleb gets maybe 12-15 tops on this roster. Corrected that for you. "2017-18 OOC" Kaleb was a third-scoring option who could play defense. A good two-way player has been a rarity around these parts. What if Yurt7 is available?
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Post by paranoia2 on May 26, 2018 12:02:31 GMT -5
How about this:
PG Akinjo 2g Blair 3 Pickett 4. Walker 5. Mourning
Sub: Johnson
VS.
PG McClung 2g. Moseley 3. LeBlanc 4. Carter 5. Govan
Sub: Malinowski
That my friends = GREAT PRACTICES
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Post by paranoia2 on May 26, 2018 12:02:49 GMT -5
How about this:
PG Akinjo 2g Blair 3 Pickett 4. Walker 5. Mourning
Sub: Johnson
VS.
PG McClung 2g. Moseley 3. LeBlanc 4. Carter 5. Govan
Sub: Malinowski
That my friends = GREAT PRACTICES
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Post by MCIGuy on May 26, 2018 12:06:31 GMT -5
Add Yurtseven on that first team for even more epic practices.
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Post by prhoya on May 26, 2018 12:07:15 GMT -5
Corrected that for you. "2017-18 OOC" Kaleb was a third-scoring option who could play defense. A good two-way player has been a rarity around these parts. What if Yurt7 is available? Oh, my! The more, the merrier!
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Post by paranoia2 on May 26, 2018 12:08:50 GMT -5
If you add Yurtseven to the first team who wins the lion’s share of those games? That is serious competition.
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Post by hoyazeke on May 26, 2018 13:53:45 GMT -5
I still think every time a team pressed us and Mosely was not on the court the ball was turned over last season. Mosely also turned but ball over some of the time when pressed but far less than the other guards. I completely agree that Jagan was a decent handler of the rock but he hasn't shown that he is anywhere near Akinjo....
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Post by hoyazeke on May 26, 2018 14:50:04 GMT -5
How about this: PG Akinjo 2g Blair 3 Pickett 4. Walker 5. Mourning Sub: Johnson VS. PG McClung 2g. Moseley 3. LeBlanc 4. Carter 5. Govan Sub: Malinowski That my friends = GREAT PRACTICES Switches.. Team 1 Mourning(4), Yurt7(5) Team 2 Moseley(1), Mac(2), Walker(4) Sub: Carter
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Post by HOYAPLAYA on May 26, 2018 15:50:55 GMT -5
How about this: PG Akinjo 2g Blair 3 Pickett 4. Walker 5. Mourning Sub: Johnson VS. PG McClung 2g. Moseley 3. LeBlanc 4. Carter 5. Govan Sub: Malinowski That my friends = GREAT PRACTICES Not just "GREAT PRACTICES", but good depth being built on this roster with immediate improvement and future sustained success in mind. I'd love to lay this out a year ago and compare the two deep rosters.
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Post by kbones17 on May 26, 2018 18:41:46 GMT -5
Here’s what I have at this point:
G: Akinjo (25), McClung (20) G: Mosely (25), Blair (15) SF: Pickett (25), Johnson (20), Malinowski (5) PF: Leblanc (15), Walker (15) C: Govan (30), Mourning/Carter (5)
—I think Mosely and Johnson earn their minutes on the defensive side of the ball. That said, if Mac, Akinjo and LeBlanc play solid defense then they wil start stealing minutes from the upperclassmen. —Mourning and Malinowski are unknowns to me at this point. As fifth year guys they may be getting more than the 5 min listed here. Kenner league will be very interesting to see how they, and the freshmen look. —I know we say this every year, but this could easily be a team who goes ten deep. Guys will need to compete hard to earn minutes, as it should be.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on May 26, 2018 20:41:44 GMT -5
“Earn their minutes on the defensive end” = “Can’t put the ball in the hoop”
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Post by Eurostar on May 26, 2018 20:56:04 GMT -5
Here’s what I have at this point: G: Akinjo (25), McClung (20) G: Mosely (25), Blair (15) SF: Pickett (25), Johnson (20), Malinowski (5) PF: Leblanc (15), Walker (15) C: Govan (30), Mourning/Carter (5) I agree with this, except I think Blair starts over Mosely and Walker starts over Leblanc (at least early on). Pickett will play 30+ minutes. He is our 2nd best player. Blair I think will play 25+ minutes. He played 22 minutes per game last year and I think he will improve on both sides of the ball. Typically, not all of the newcomers pan out. Ie I think at least one of Akinjo, McClung, Leblanc will be more raw than we thought - though I hope not.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on May 26, 2018 22:04:10 GMT -5
“Earn their minutes on the defensive end” = “Can’t put the ball in the hoop” Generally I would agree - but with our substandard defense last season, defense may be the determining factor in getting on the court.
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Post by HometownHoya on Jul 10, 2018 11:47:55 GMT -5
Bump for post weekend one of Kenner Play.
I honestly still think Mac comes of the bench. He definitely has the quality to be a starter but in the interest of balance between starters and the second team, I'd rather have him first of the bench. Allows Blair to start as a shooter, if he's cold, pull him quick for Mac. If he's hot, then play small with a Akinjo/Mac/Blair line-up, then the 4 could be Pickett if he's playing well or Walker if we need size. Plus, by not starting Mac and Akinjo at the same time, it's easier to keep at least one of the two on the court the entire game. If you start both, it increases the chances they would both need a break at the same time. Plus I don't like a second line-up without one of the two on the floor, ball movement would break down.
Here is what I see (minutes at each position in parenthesis):
PG: Akinjo (28), Mac (7), Moseley (5) SG: Blair (12), Mac (18), Moseley (5), Malinowski (5) SF: Pickett (25), Blair (10), Malinowski/Kaleb/Carter (5) PF: Walker (20), Mourning (10), LeBlanc (5), Pickett/Kaleb/Carter (5) (Mourning and LeBlanc could switch depending on LeBlanc's development) C: Jessie (35), Mourning (5)
For a per minute breakdown, its like this: Jessie 35mpg Akinjo ~30mpg Mac ~25-30 mpg Pickett ~30 mpg Blair ~20-25 mpg Walker ~20 mpg Mourning ~10-15 mpg Moseley ~10 mpg Malinowski ~10 mpg Kaleb ~5-15 mpg (his minutes are highly dependent on the performance of guys ahead of him) Leblanc ~5-10 mpg Carter ~5-10 mpg
*Clearly a lot will change between now and the beginning of the season and I'm sure my estimate will as well
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Post by prhoya on Jul 10, 2018 11:57:32 GMT -5
Here is what I see (minutes at each position in parenthesis): PG: Akinjo (28), Mac (7), Moseley (5) SG: Blair (12), Mac (18), Moseley (5), Malinowski (5) SF: Pickett (25), Blair (10), Malinowski (5) PF: Walker (20), Mourning (10), LeBlanc (5), Pickett (5) (Mourning and LeBlanc could switch depending on LeBlanc's development) C: Jessie (35), Mourning (5) For a per minute breakdown, its like this: Jessie 35mpg Akinjo ~30mpg Mac ~25-30 mpg Pickett ~30 mpg Blair ~20-25 mpg Walker ~20 mpg Mourning ~10-15 mpg Moseley ~10 mpg Malinowski ~10 mpg Leblanc ~5-10 mpg Kaleb?
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Post by HometownHoya on Jul 10, 2018 12:22:30 GMT -5
Here is what I see (minutes at each position in parenthesis): PG: Akinjo (28), Mac (7), Moseley (5) SG: Blair (12), Mac (18), Moseley (5), Malinowski (5) SF: Pickett (25), Blair (10), Malinowski (5) PF: Walker (20), Mourning (10), LeBlanc (5), Pickett (5) (Mourning and LeBlanc could switch depending on LeBlanc's development) C: Jessie (35), Mourning (5) For a per minute breakdown, its like this: Jessie 35mpg Akinjo ~30mpg Mac ~25-30 mpg Pickett ~30 mpg Blair ~20-25 mpg Walker ~20 mpg Mourning ~10-15 mpg Moseley ~10 mpg Malinowski ~10 mpg Leblanc ~5-10 mpg Kaleb? Ah, geez yeah! I knew I forgot someone. I honestly don't think he'll have more then 5-10 minutes per game barring injury. Probably sharing those minutes at the 3 with Malinowski and at the 4 with Pickett. Honestly though, this is the year to play the hot hand. We have quality depth so if someone (other then Akinjo and Jessie) isn't playing well, put them on the bench to regroup. I'd forgotten Carter too, he'll be working with the same minutes as Kaleb.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jul 10, 2018 12:33:45 GMT -5
Given Derrickson's departure, his 35 minutes or so at PF/4 are really up for grabs. Given that there is no obvious contender to take those minutes, I can easily see those minutes going a lot of different ways. In all likelihood, though I think there will be a fairly significant number of 3 guard lineups with guys like LeBlanc or Pickett at the 4.
As far as the guards, I don't think it will be as evenly distributed as above to the extent that a few of the guys separate themselves from the pack. Of course, it's impossible to know who that will be.
That said, a ten player rotation - by Big East season - is usually unrealistic, whether because of injuries, guys stepping up, guys not performing, etc. For example, if Malinowksi performs his major function (making threes), it's easy to see him getting minutes. If not, it's easy to see him getting virtually none.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Jul 10, 2018 12:41:22 GMT -5
I hope that Kaleb stays in the starting lineup. He brings a lot to the table, and I would rather have young guys coming off the bench than having a senior take what might feel as a demotion. Plus, until someone shows otherwise, he is our best defender. Boubacar used up all of his eligibility, sadly...
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Post by HometownHoya on Jul 10, 2018 12:43:12 GMT -5
Given Derrickson's departure, his 35 minutes or so at PF/4 are really up for grabs. Given that there is no obvious contender to take those minutes, I can easily see those minutes going a lot of different ways. In all likelihood, though I think there will be a fairly significant number of 3 guard lineups with guys like LeBlanc or Pickett at the 4. As far as the guards, I don't think it will be as evenly distributed as above to the extent that a few of the guys separate themselves from the pack. Of course, it's impossible to know who that will be. That said, a ten player rotation - by Big East season - is usually unrealistic, whether because of injuries, guys stepping up, guys not performing, etc. For example, if Malinowksi performs his major function (making threes), it's easy to see him getting minutes. If not, it's easy to see him getting virtually none. Including my exclusions of Carter and Johnson and we have 12 guys that could arguably get minutes. I agree that a ten player rotation in competitive games are unrealistic. I also tried to make my MPGs as even as possible but it wouldn't surprise me if we have a few guys that end up with less then 5 mpg and a few DNPs. I agree with your conclusion on Malinowski and think the same will apply to Blair and Pickett to a lesser extent. Those three need to make the most of the looks Mac, Akinjo, and Jessie give them or their minutes will be decreased. As far as the guard minutes, I think all 3 of Akinjo, Mac, and Blair will get north of 20 mpg. Our backcourt is relatively thin and Moseley will be a good back-up but I don't see him pushing those three for much more then breather minutes. Govan has the minutes at the 5 on lock and Mourning will be a good back-up. Walker should be able to step up here if needed as well. The forward positions are where the real battle will be. Pickett will be starting at the 3 and should get the most MPG of all of our forwards. Malinowski looks to be as advertised and should get PT as long as he sinks shots. Johnson, Carter, and LeBlanc will all challenge for the remainder. I hope Carter and LeBlanc will step up but you can't ignore actual college experience on both ends of the ball, so Kaleb won't be totally pushed out of the line-up. It's going to be tough for Pat but definitely a good problem to have.
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