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Post by EasyEd on Nov 18, 2022 22:23:12 GMT -5
Mac with 44 points, 7 assists, 3 turnovers, 13 for 21 from floor, 4/8 3pt, 8/9 ft, 6 RB, all in 37 minutes as his Delaware team defeated Raptors 905 in the g-league. Not bad.
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Post by cgallstar02 on Nov 18, 2022 23:33:58 GMT -5
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Post by tashoya on Nov 19, 2022 23:32:43 GMT -5
And, yet, still buried in the G league. I wonder why.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Nov 19, 2022 23:43:05 GMT -5
And, yet, still buried in the G league. I wonder why. Because he's short. About five percent of NBA players are 6-2 or smaller. Teams are not invested in smaller players.
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Post by iowa80 on Nov 20, 2022 5:50:52 GMT -5
And, yet, still buried in the G league. I wonder why. Because he's short. About five percent of NBA players are 6-2 or smaller. Teams are not invested in smaller players. Not to mention that the highlights we see here are not against NBA level competition.
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Post by tashoya on Nov 20, 2022 20:20:36 GMT -5
And, yet, still buried in the G league. I wonder why. Because he's short. About five percent of NBA players are 6-2 or smaller. Teams are not invested in smaller players. True. But, it's also because he doesn't have a single elite level skill that plays at the NBA level.
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Post by cgallstar02 on Nov 20, 2022 21:56:06 GMT -5
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Post by cgallstar02 on Nov 20, 2022 22:51:17 GMT -5
True. But, it's also because he doesn't have a single elite level skill that plays at the NBA level. This is such a bad take... first how many players do you think are in the NBA based off an elite skill? Probably less than 20 percent... for starters there's only 2 types of specialists the NBA is looking for... 3 point specialists and defensive specialists. No one is making the NBA as a rebounding specialist or ball handling specialist or even passing specialist. The NBA is looking for height/length with some combination of athleticism and skills. The more you have of each, the more coveted you are as a prospect. Is Yurt still in the NBA if he's 6'8? Does Pickett get a 2 way last year with a normal sized wingspan? Also, being elite, even at 3 point shooting, without size isn't going to be enough. Do you think Duncan Robinson or Kyle Korver ever make the NBA at 6'2? On the flip side, despite not being an elite 3 point shooter or defender, do you really think Mac at 6'6 or even at 6'2 but with a 6'8 wingspan is not currently in the NBA? Not only would he be in the league but he'd most likely be starting somewhere. Beyond that, while I've already laid out that the only elite skills that truly matter are 3 point shooting and defense, and even then a certain degree of size is usually required, one could certainly argue that Mac 's elite skill would be his ability to get to the basket and finish. For instance, in today's game he scored 30 points on 10 FG's... 9 of his 10 FG's were in the paint, along with all his free throws drawn off drives to the paint. He has elite quickness and jumping ability to go along with an elite off hand and wide array of finishing moves, floaters, and even hook shots to finish over much larger defenders. That said, that's just not an elite skill the NBA is looking for unless it was combined with better size. Lastly, you bash him for being in the G League, well what about other former Hoyas like Pickett and Mohammed that are also in the G League? What about guys like Blair, Mosely & Malinowski... all the three guys were waived from their G League teams this year. If Mac's some sort of a scrub for being in the G League, what does that say about other former Hoyas in the G League or ones that can't even get a roster spot in the G League? If you're taking a shot at Mac, then you're indirectly taking an even bigger shot at those guys. He's 23, and has already accomplished far more than you and people like you said that he ever would. They said he won't ever start at Georgetown, he's not a D1 player... he started every game as a freshman and made all Big East freshman team. They said he might not play much for Chris Beard because of his defense, he started every game and made the all Big 12 team. They said his athleticism was overrated... he had one of the single best combines in NBA history. They said he'll never sniff an NBA roster... he spent training camp and preseason with the Lakers, 2 10 days with the Bulls, and finished the season with the Lakers. They said he can't play point guard... he started every game there for South Bay, averaged 22 pts, 8 assists and 7 boards to win G League RotY. So wether he never plays another NBA game or ends up having a 10 year career, he's already vastly outperformed most peoples expectations.
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Post by professorhoya on Nov 23, 2022 10:39:00 GMT -5
Because he's short. About five percent of NBA players are 6-2 or smaller. Teams are not invested in smaller players. True. But, it's also because he doesn't have a single elite level skill that plays at the NBA level. If Mac were 6-7 with same level of athleticism he would be in the NBA. 6-5 he would probably either be in the NBA or eventually in the NBA. I still think he may make it but it will have to be as a point guard which is the hardest position to master.
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Post by iowa80 on Nov 24, 2022 15:24:51 GMT -5
True. But, it's also because he doesn't have a single elite level skill that plays at the NBA level. If Mac were 6-7 with same level of athleticism he would be in the NBA. 6-5 he would probably either be in the NBA or eventually in the NBA. I still think he may make it but it will have to be as a point guard which is the hardest position to master. But that’s how things work. I suspect that there are many, many players about whom that could be said.
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Post by cgallstar02 on Nov 25, 2022 23:20:11 GMT -5
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Post by cgallstar02 on Nov 26, 2022 0:10:25 GMT -5
True. But, it's also because he doesn't have a single elite level skill that plays at the NBA level. If Mac were 6-7 with same level of athleticism he would be in the NBA. 6-5 he would probably either be in the NBA or eventually in the NBA. I still think he may make it but it will have to be as a point guard which is the hardest position to master.Point guard has nothing to do with it, he's already established himself just fine at that position, besides, NBA teams are vastly different than they were 20 years ago, as they now usually have 3-4 guys on the floor at any given time, regardless of size or position that are capable of essentially playing point guard. In fact he'd have a much better chance if teams still employed traditional point guards like they did back then. Right now the craze is size/length, 3 point shooting, and positional versatility. Akinjo has certainly mastered the point guard position... he played it exclusively and at a very high level all through his high school and college career. He was 3rd team All American at the position last year and starred for one of the best teams in the nation. Despite that and playing 4 years of college, he didn't even get a training camp invite out of college. Why? Because he has the same exact perceived flaws as McClung, while also being significantly less athletic. They are both undersized, decent but not great 3 point shooters, below average defenders, and ball dominant guards. There are currently 9 players in the NBA that are the same size or smaller than McClung. Teams aren't looking for a ball dominant, undersized backup point guard. You either have to be an elite defender like Jose Alvarado, or a fundamentally sound, ball moving, spot up shooter like a TJ McConnell. I don't think Colin Gillespie is as talented as Mac or James but he got a 2 way out of college because he's less ball dominant and more in the TJ McConnell mold than Mac or James are. Teams already have their star players, they're not looking for guys to take the ball out of their hands, they're looking for guys that compliment them the best. That usually comes with defense, being a ball mover, and a good spot up 3 point shooter. Aside from becoming a better 3 point shooter, I don't know what else Mac can realistically do to increase his NBA chances. He's not growing any taller. He's not gonna ever become an elite defender. And he's not going to change his game to be an off the ball, role player in the G League. I do think he has a role in the league as a high level scorer off the bench that brings energy, pace, and hustle. But NBA teams will have to see it to be convinced. It's ultimately going to come down to some team later in the season, with some injuries and in full tank mode to give him a chance, and let him play 20-30 mins a night for the last 20-30 games of the season. If he gets the chance and actually performs, teams will be more likely to give him real opportunity in the future. But it's ultimately gonna down to a, getting that chance, and b, capitalizing once it comes. He's probably been his own worst enemy in terms of his team choices also. He had several exhibit 10 offers both last year and this year, he chose the reigning champ Lakers followed by the reigning champ Warriors. Both were horrible picks. Teams that believe they're competing for a title aren't going to give an undersized ball dominant PG a chance. Then he picked the Sixers, another team that thinks it's a title contender. He should be trying to sign with projected lottery teams that have nothing to lose by giving him a chance. At the end of the day, luck will also play a part. Alvarado was in the same boat as Mac coming out of college. No NBA combine invite, just a G League combine invite, then went undrafted. Signed a camp deal with the Pelicans who liked him so much in camp they gave him a guaranteed contract and now he's a guy that will have a 10 plus year career. He could've easily signed with a number of other teams that might not of saw what the Pelicans saw or simply decided they had better guys ahead of him and not got that chance and still be in the G League right now. So yea, a big part of it will simply come down to picking the right team where the coach/GM really likes you, or opportunities opening up because of injuries.
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Post by professorhoya on Nov 26, 2022 5:01:51 GMT -5
If Mac were 6-7 with same level of athleticism he would be in the NBA. 6-5 he would probably either be in the NBA or eventually in the NBA. I still think he may make it but it will have to be as a point guard which is the hardest position to master.Point guard has nothing to do with it, he's already established himself just fine at that position, besides, NBA teams are vastly different than they were 20 years ago, as they now usually have 3-4 guys on the floor at any given time, regardless of size or position that are capable of essentially playing point guard. In fact he'd have a much better chance if teams still employed traditional point guards like they did back then. Right now the craze is size/length, 3 point shooting, and positional versatility. Akinjo has certainly mastered the point guard position... he played it exclusively and at a very high level all through his high school and college career. He was 3rd team All American at the position last year and starred for one of the best teams in the nation. Despite that and playing 4 years of college, he didn't even get a training camp invite out of college. Why? Because he has the same exact perceived flaws as McClung, while also being significantly less athletic. They are both undersized, decent but not great 3 point shooters, below average defenders, and ball dominant guards. There are currently 9 players in the NBA that are the same size or smaller than McClung. Teams aren't looking for a ball dominant, undersized backup point guard. You either have to be an elite defender like Jose Alvarado, or a fundamentally sound, ball moving, spot up shooter like a TJ McConnell. I don't think Colin Gillespie is as talented as Mac or James but he got a 2 way out of college because he's less ball dominant and more in the TJ McConnell mold than Mac or James are. Teams already have their star players, they're not looking for guys to take the ball out of their hands, they're looking for guys that compliment them the best. That usually comes with defense, being a ball mover, and a good spot up 3 point shooter. Aside from becoming a better 3 point shooter, I don't know what else Mac can realistically do to increase his NBA chances. He's not growing any taller. He's not gonna ever become an elite defender. And he's not going to change his game to be an off the ball, role player in the G League. I do think he has a role in the league as a high level scorer off the bench that brings energy, pace, and hustle. But NBA teams will have to see it to be convinced. It's ultimately going to come down to some team later in the season, with some injuries and in full tank mode to give him a chance, and let him play 20-30 mins a night for the last 20-30 games of the season. If he gets the chance and actually performs, teams will be more likely to give him real opportunity in the future. But it's ultimately gonna down to a, getting that chance, and b, capitalizing once it comes. He's probably been his own worst enemy in terms of his team choices also. He had several exhibit 10 offers both last year and this year, he chose the reigning champ Lakers followed by the reigning champ Warriors. Both were horrible picks. Teams that believe they're competing for a title aren't going to give an undersized ball dominant PG a chance. Then he picked the Sixers, another team that thinks it's a title contender. He should be trying to sign with projected lottery teams that have nothing to lose by giving him a chance. At the end of the day, luck will also play a part. Alvarado was in the same boat as Mac coming out of college. No NBA combine invite, just a G League combine invite, then went undrafted. Signed a camp deal with the Pelicans who liked him so much in camp they gave him a guaranteed contract and now he's a guy that will have a 10 plus year career. He could've easily signed with a number of other teams that might not of saw what the Pelicans saw or simply decided they had better guys ahead of him and not got that chance and still be in the G League right now. So yea, a big part of it will simply come down to picking the right team where the coach/GM really likes you, or opportunities opening up because of injuries. Akinjos too ball dominant. Needs a thousand dribbele and ball sticks. Being Ball Dominant isn’t being a true point guard. Also Akonjo has no lift or explosiveness. And lacks elite speed necessary for someone so undersized. Even 10, 20, 30 odd years ago he would have trouble making the league.
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Post by cgallstar02 on Nov 29, 2022 21:50:12 GMT -5
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Post by gatormcclusky on Dec 3, 2022 13:46:12 GMT -5
If Mac were 6-7 with same level of athleticism he would be in the NBA. 6-5 he would probably either be in the NBA or eventually in the NBA. I still think he may make it but it will have to be as a point guard which is the hardest position to master.Point guard has nothing to do with it, he's already established himself just fine at that position, besides, NBA teams are vastly different than they were 20 years ago, as they now usually have 3-4 guys on the floor at any given time, regardless of size or position that are capable of essentially playing point guard. In fact he'd have a much better chance if teams still employed traditional point guards like they did back then. Right now the craze is size/length, 3 point shooting, and positional versatility. Akinjo has certainly mastered the point guard position... he played it exclusively and at a very high level all through his high school and college career. He was 3rd team All American at the position last year and starred for one of the best teams in the nation. Despite that and playing 4 years of college, he didn't even get a training camp invite out of college. Why? Because he has the same exact perceived flaws as McClung, while also being significantly less athletic. They are both undersized, decent but not great 3 point shooters, below average defenders, and ball dominant guards. There are currently 9 players in the NBA that are the same size or smaller than McClung. Teams aren't looking for a ball dominant, undersized backup point guard. You either have to be an elite defender like Jose Alvarado, or a fundamentally sound, ball moving, spot up shooter like a TJ McConnell. I don't think Colin Gillespie is as talented as Mac or James but he got a 2 way out of college because he's less ball dominant and more in the TJ McConnell mold than Mac or James are. Teams already have their star players, they're not looking for guys to take the ball out of their hands, they're looking for guys that compliment them the best. That usually comes with defense, being a ball mover, and a good spot up 3 point shooter. Aside from becoming a better 3 point shooter, I don't know what else Mac can realistically do to increase his NBA chances. He's not growing any taller. He's not gonna ever become an elite defender. And he's not going to change his game to be an off the ball, role player in the G League. I do think he has a role in the league as a high level scorer off the bench that brings energy, pace, and hustle. But NBA teams will have to see it to be convinced. It's ultimately going to come down to some team later in the season, with some injuries and in full tank mode to give him a chance, and let him play 20-30 mins a night for the last 20-30 games of the season. If he gets the chance and actually performs, teams will be more likely to give him real opportunity in the future. But it's ultimately gonna down to a, getting that chance, and b, capitalizing once it comes. He's probably been his own worst enemy in terms of his team choices also. He had several exhibit 10 offers both last year and this year, he chose the reigning champ Lakers followed by the reigning champ Warriors. Both were horrible picks. Teams that believe they're competing for a title aren't going to give an undersized ball dominant PG a chance. Then he picked the Sixers, another team that thinks it's a title contender. He should be trying to sign with projected lottery teams that have nothing to lose by giving him a chance. At the end of the day, luck will also play a part. Alvarado was in the same boat as Mac coming out of college. No NBA combine invite, just a G League combine invite, then went undrafted. Signed a camp deal with the Pelicans who liked him so much in camp they gave him a guaranteed contract and now he's a guy that will have a 10 plus year career. He could've easily signed with a number of other teams that might not of saw what the Pelicans saw or simply decided they had better guys ahead of him and not got that chance and still be in the G League right now. So yea, a big part of it will simply come down to picking the right team where the coach/GM really likes you, or opportunities opening up because of injuries. this a great, realistic post that sums up a lot of my own thoughts about Mac and the league, especially about the dumb decisions so far on which teams to try to join. McClung needs to get better advice there and maybe a new agent. like you said, there's a role for him as a second unit sparkplug offensive guy, but that initial chance ain't gonna happen with a team full of big names like the Lakers or Warriors. I don't even understand the thinking with the GSW E-10 contract, they had at best two open spots (and Iggy coming back was always going to take one of them) and their roster mostly needed size and defense.
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Post by cgallstar02 on Dec 3, 2022 20:32:31 GMT -5
this a great, realistic post that sums up a lot of my own thoughts about Mac and the league, especially about the dumb decisions so far on which teams to try to join. McClung needs to get better advice there and maybe a new agent. like you said, there's a role for him as a second unit sparkplug offensive guy, but that initial chance ain't gonna happen with a team full of big names like the Lakers or Warriors. I don't even understand the thinking with the GSW E-10 contract, they had at best two open spots (and Iggy coming back was always going to take one of them) and their roster mostly needed size and defense. I think he may of actually got a new agent last week.... he posted on his IG story last week that he had signed with excel sports management. They seem to have a much better roster of clients than his old agency which mostly represented G Leaguers and bottom tier NBAers. These guys have Jokic, Westbrook, Love, Ingram, and tons more. To be fair to the old agent, I do think Mac was the one ultimately making those decisions, though the agent could have maybe tried harder to steer him a different direction. When he signed with the Warriors his agent said he had several offers but chose the Warriors because of the opportunity to win a championship. Sounds like his confidence got the best of him and he overestimated his chances of making a team that everyone else knew he would be a longshot to make. It's also possible Bob Myers fed him some BS and made it seem like he had a much better chance of making the roster than he did. Either way, it was a dumb choice and I knew it was when he made it. Hopefully a crap team puts him on a 2 way later this season, or he at least does training camp next year with a bad team. Supposedly he turned down some multi million dollar overseas offers this year... I think it will be hard to keep turning those down if he doesn't secure a roster spot after training camp next year.
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Post by cgallstar02 on Dec 3, 2022 20:34:24 GMT -5
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Post by tashoya on Dec 4, 2022 23:04:25 GMT -5
Point guard has nothing to do with it, he's already established himself just fine at that position, besides, NBA teams are vastly different than they were 20 years ago, as they now usually have 3-4 guys on the floor at any given time, regardless of size or position that are capable of essentially playing point guard. In fact he'd have a much better chance if teams still employed traditional point guards like they did back then. Right now the craze is size/length, 3 point shooting, and positional versatility. Akinjo has certainly mastered the point guard position... he played it exclusively and at a very high level all through his high school and college career. He was 3rd team All American at the position last year and starred for one of the best teams in the nation. Despite that and playing 4 years of college, he didn't even get a training camp invite out of college. Why? Because he has the same exact perceived flaws as McClung, while also being significantly less athletic. They are both undersized, decent but not great 3 point shooters, below average defenders, and ball dominant guards. There are currently 9 players in the NBA that are the same size or smaller than McClung. Teams aren't looking for a ball dominant, undersized backup point guard. You either have to be an elite defender like Jose Alvarado, or a fundamentally sound, ball moving, spot up shooter like a TJ McConnell. I don't think Colin Gillespie is as talented as Mac or James but he got a 2 way out of college because he's less ball dominant and more in the TJ McConnell mold than Mac or James are. Teams already have their star players, they're not looking for guys to take the ball out of their hands, they're looking for guys that compliment them the best. That usually comes with defense, being a ball mover, and a good spot up 3 point shooter. Aside from becoming a better 3 point shooter, I don't know what else Mac can realistically do to increase his NBA chances. He's not growing any taller. He's not gonna ever become an elite defender. And he's not going to change his game to be an off the ball, role player in the G League. I do think he has a role in the league as a high level scorer off the bench that brings energy, pace, and hustle. But NBA teams will have to see it to be convinced. It's ultimately going to come down to some team later in the season, with some injuries and in full tank mode to give him a chance, and let him play 20-30 mins a night for the last 20-30 games of the season. If he gets the chance and actually performs, teams will be more likely to give him real opportunity in the future. But it's ultimately gonna down to a, getting that chance, and b, capitalizing once it comes. He's probably been his own worst enemy in terms of his team choices also. He had several exhibit 10 offers both last year and this year, he chose the reigning champ Lakers followed by the reigning champ Warriors. Both were horrible picks. Teams that believe they're competing for a title aren't going to give an undersized ball dominant PG a chance. Then he picked the Sixers, another team that thinks it's a title contender. He should be trying to sign with projected lottery teams that have nothing to lose by giving him a chance. At the end of the day, luck will also play a part. Alvarado was in the same boat as Mac coming out of college. No NBA combine invite, just a G League combine invite, then went undrafted. Signed a camp deal with the Pelicans who liked him so much in camp they gave him a guaranteed contract and now he's a guy that will have a 10 plus year career. He could've easily signed with a number of other teams that might not of saw what the Pelicans saw or simply decided they had better guys ahead of him and not got that chance and still be in the G League right now. So yea, a big part of it will simply come down to picking the right team where the coach/GM really likes you, or opportunities opening up because of injuries. this a great, realistic post that sums up a lot of my own thoughts about Mac and the league, especially about the dumb decisions so far on which teams to try to join. McClung needs to get better advice there and maybe a new agent. like you said, there's a role for him as a second unit sparkplug offensive guy, but that initial chance ain't gonna happen with a team full of big names like the Lakers or Warriors. I don't even understand the thinking with the GSW E-10 contract, they had at best two open spots (and Iggy coming back was always going to take one of them) and their roster mostly needed size and defense. The advice isn't the problem. He's not an NBA player. Full stop. Picture Mac trying to match up with Lillard who is about his size. The huge chasm between the two is less than the ridiculous chasm between Dame and Akinjo. But, neither former Hoya is getting an NBA contract.
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Post by hoyarooter on Dec 5, 2022 18:15:27 GMT -5
this a great, realistic post that sums up a lot of my own thoughts about Mac and the league, especially about the dumb decisions so far on which teams to try to join. McClung needs to get better advice there and maybe a new agent. like you said, there's a role for him as a second unit sparkplug offensive guy, but that initial chance ain't gonna happen with a team full of big names like the Lakers or Warriors. I don't even understand the thinking with the GSW E-10 contract, they had at best two open spots (and Iggy coming back was always going to take one of them) and their roster mostly needed size and defense. The advice isn't the problem. He's not an NBA player. Full stop. Picture Mac trying to match up with Lillard who is about his size. The huge chasm between the two is less than the ridiculous chasm between Dame and Akinjo. But, neither former Hoya is getting an NBA contract. This isn't really fair, as there are very few players in the league who can stop Lillard when he has it going.
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Post by tashoya on Dec 5, 2022 19:18:55 GMT -5
The advice isn't the problem. He's not an NBA player. Full stop. Picture Mac trying to match up with Lillard who is about his size. The huge chasm between the two is less than the ridiculous chasm between Dame and Akinjo. But, neither former Hoya is getting an NBA contract. This isn't really fair, as there are very few players in the league who can stop Lillard when he has it going. I don't disagree. I'm only saying that, at Mac's size, one needs to be closer to Dame in terms of talent than to that of McClung. And, the chasm is WIDE.
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