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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Jan 18, 2018 14:16:12 GMT -5
Any true point guard is a savior for their team/s for those who really know the game of basketball. Brunson for instance is a savior for his team simply because he controls the tempo of a game, gets his teammates involved and makes them better. Were you not watching the game last night? If you've evver noticed great teams that advance in tournaments have great point guard play. Right? I've posted almost one hundred please read to comprehend just how potent and critical a point guard is to his/her teams. www.coachesclipboard.net/PointGuard.html Waters could do both shoot the 3 and is a great ball handler and defend! Again, it was called the Gtown offense, not Princeton >>> pilotonline.com/sports/college/article_8589ebb3-cc82-5528-bcb5-012d78e6379f.html "It's a great offense," forward Jeff Green said. "With the group of guys we have, it's much better because we have guys who are athletic who can play multiple positions." And anyways Bracey was the savior for last season but... Yes, I agree that Coach Ewing has his work cut out for him. I watched the game last night and Im not sure how you could say it was about Brunson. He is good for sure, but it was certainly not the case that we got throttled because of the PG play of Brunson. More to the point, you are not really doing anything to address the_way's argument other than to say over and over again how we need a PG. I agree with what he said. The time was right for the move, and it was always the case that Ewing would need a few years. Nothing has moved me from the position. Soooo, you didn't see Brunson the last two years including this season controlling the tempo of his team? LOL.. I never said it was about Brunson, simply because he's a team player and he makes his teammates better by giving them the ball where they want it and making great passes. If you noticed he didn't have to put up a whole lot of points last night. Brunson also mentioned how his team played the best defense out of all their games this season. Jay Wright says he's smarter than his whole coaching staff including himself.. Please read the links I've post so you'll understand more. Please. No, Brunson is great, not just good. Oh, Brunson was the main reason we got throttled last night because he controlled the tempo of the way his team played. Understand how powerful it is to have a true floor general is what I'm trying to get people who don't know to understand. The information is right here. The way can speak for himself and I've addressed all that needs to be known about this. I over & over & over & over & over because some of you just don't get it. Either because you don't or don't respect my knowledge of point guard play and I've doing this for many years now and have learned from the best of them. You agree because you don't know. I've folks here always agree with each other and haven't the slightest clue of how powerful and critical point guard play is in basketball! No, I don't the time was right for the move. The Hoyas are getting blow out worse than ever right now. So, what games are you watching. Is it guilt from being impatient ridding of JT3 or what? Hurley didn't need a few years from what he inherited. He was a true point guard. He knew/knows the game. His father taught him well! Read to comprehend and stop guessing and trying to speak for others. Makes no sense! The links are posted. This denial thing doesn't work here. abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireStory/villanova-leads-44-beats-ewing-georgetown-88-56-52421001 Jalen Brunson led the way with 18 points and seven assists for Villanova it says. I respect your opinion.
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Post by GUJook97 on Jan 18, 2018 15:01:17 GMT -5
You said that Brunson is the savior of the team and pointed to last night as a example. It's literally in the post. My point is that last night was not at all an example of that. There was no way Brunson was a key factor in controlling the tempo and getting the team involved. You can send links all you want, Im not trying to be a jerk about it. I watched the game. Last night was the perfect example of exactly what the_way was saying - i.e., we need way more than a PG to be anywhere near the team Nova is. Every player on the floor was running circles around us. Yes, Brunson had 18 and 7, but DiVencenzo had 13 pts, 7 boards, 5 assists and 3 steals. I mean, no one is disagreeing with you that a PG is really important, and we desperately need one, but a PG is not a "savior." You need much more.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 18, 2018 15:16:03 GMT -5
I don’t post much, so forgive my random thoughts. Lots of pent up Hoya energy. To me, I wonder how much 30 seconds have changed the future of the Hoyas. Last year, was to be our redemption year. The confidence was ready to sore as we had Maryland in the bag. Then we somehow blew it in the last 30 seconds. Our confidence went out the window. Think about....If we win that game, we probably beat Arkansas St. Does Copeland still transfer? How is the team’s confidence the rest of the season? We probably make the NIT. Does JTIII still get fired? To me, the last two years were one ingredient away from being a good team....a good point guard or an Isaac Copeland living up to his potential. Does an NIT almost NCAA team bring on the Fire Thompson chants that helped the pot to where are today? We will never know. I tend to believe that the actions of the fan base affecting the morale of the team, soured Waters, and led us to where we are today. Am I upset? I am not upset. As much as I believe that if we hold on and beat Maryland in those 30 seconds, we still were never going to have a point guard or a great Copeland. I was a big fan of JTIII staying and I felt that our fan base was overreacting. After really thinking about, I will agree that the Princeton offense stigma did not help recruiting. We knew what we were getting when we hired him. It appeared that he knew that changes were needed, but he was not able too make them fast enough. Combine the fact that he was recruiting with crap facilities and a tough academic curriculum, it is no wonder we could not get McDonalds All Americans lately. In the end, I wonder what happens if this team had Waters on it. We all do. I may not agree with how the fan base reacted last year. In the end, I welcome the change. As much as I did not want too, I am glad that we peeled the band aid off. I think that Ewing will do a good job. I like the up tempo offense and I am optimistic that he will do a good job recruiting. He has the facilities. He is the right guy to convince the All Americans that the tougher curriculum should not be an issue. 10 months ago, I was not fine trading JTIII and Waters for Ewing. Now I am. This team will struggle. Geesh, Peak, Copeland, White, and Campbell all gone. We will rebuild. When you hit rock bottom, there is one way to go. 30 seconds may have changed the future of this program. I am hoping for the better. I don't think it matters. Even if they had best Maryland they I still would have imploded. Something happened back around nov 17, 2016 that causes senior leader Reggie Cameron to quit the team and miss the Maui trip. I believe there was a cancer and negative attitude on the team and locker room which doomed that team and season. Akoy had mentioned something about people who didn't want to work hard or listen to coach. After the almost comeback in Providence a couple of years ago, our crew stayed after and talked to some of the members of the staff, etc. There was more than person associated with the team who lamented the lack of player intensity -- that they didn't have those players who on the court or off the court were constantly pushing to win. We need more talent, but we also need more Jon Wallace's -- guys without the talent who worked their asses off.
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Post by OldHoyafan on Jan 18, 2018 16:41:13 GMT -5
Let me first say that I was a JTIII supporter during his tenure at Georgetown. I thought tha Princeton style offense he brought to Georgetown was the right offense to bring the Hoyas all the way back to the top. The Princeton Offense on steroids as one announcer said when you could run it with superior athletes. It worked for the most part, at first because JTIII had made the team believe that his system could make the rest of the college world remember who Georgetown was. All the players even those with NBA hopes bought into the little things it took to run the offense, I.e., setting picks,constantly moving from one side of court to another, making crisp backdoor cuts, and making passes to another player who had a better shot than themselves. It was a beautiful thing to behold when all the players had that single goal of “ making the rest of the college B.B. world remember who Georgetown was”. When the Hoyas reached the Final Four in III’s third season most commentators declared that the Hoyas were back. That early success I think was the beginning of the end for JTIII because it solidified his personal belief that he could win it all if he had the right point/forward player/s to run his system. That he really did not need a traditional pg, and that he did not need traditional role players but instead have a team made up of combo guards and good forwards who were good passers and were also good 3pt shooters. His recruitment priorities then morphed into getting top players regardless of the abilities initially sought to run the Princeton style offense. This unfortunately resulted in players who did not have the necessary skills to run said offense. Tarik Turner Fox B.B. commentator, I believe, made the observation that many of the successful NBA teams now run a version of the Princeton Offense. He opined that it was easier to get a player who is being paid millions, to set a pick or pass to the person with a better shot than a high school or college player who is not being paid and is trying to improve his optics to get to the NBA to do the same thing. Therefore it became harder for III to get all his players to buy into his system. So when some were not doing or were not capable of doing all that was needed to make his system work, it started to decline. By the time he realized that a good floor general, pg, could create when the system was broken or was not operating proficiently on a given night it was too late. More worrisome were the optics the “in the huddle camera “ portrayed during timeouts by Fox FS1. It made it seem as though he did not have an answer when the system was not working. The successive seasons of mid-season transfers, right or wrong, gave the impression to the administration that he had lost his team. I thought and still do think that Waters and Lykes are transformative players, Waters moreso, who would have helped III, but would it be to transform the Hoyas into a running team as Ewing is trying to do, or solidify the Princeton On Steroids Offense initially dreamed of by III. Either way it was too late, the perception was that he was too tied to the Princeton to change. As “the-way” said it was time for a change.
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Post by beenaround on Jan 18, 2018 17:13:42 GMT -5
Let me first say that I was a JTIII supporter during his tenure at Georgetown. I thought tha Princeton style offense he brought to Georgetown was the right offense to bring the Hoyas all the way back to the top. The Princeton Offense on steroids as one announcer said when you could run it with superior athletes. It worked for the most part, at first because JTIII had made the team believe that his system could make the rest of the college world remember who Georgetown was. All the players even those with NBA hopes bought into the little things it took to run the offense, I.e., setting picks,constantly moving from one side of court to another, making crisp backdoor cuts, and making passes to another player who had a better shot than themselves. It was a beautiful thing to behold when all the players had that single goal of “ making the rest of the college B.B. world remember who Georgetown was”. When the Hoyas reached the Final Four in III’s third season most commentators declared that the Hoyas were back. That early success I think was the beginning of the end for JTIII because it solidified his personal belief that he could win it all if he had the right point/forward player/s to run his system. That he really did not need a traditional pg, and that he did not need traditional role players but instead have a team made up of combo guards and good forwards who were good passers and were also good 3pt shooters. His recruitment priorities then morphed into getting top players regardless of the abilities initially sought to run the Princeton style offense. This unfortunately resulted in players who did not have the necessary skills to run said offense. Tarik Turner Fox B.B. commentator, I believe, made the observation that many of the successful NBA teams now run a version of the Princeton Offense. He opined that it was easier to get a player who is being paid millions, to set a pick or pass to the person with a better shot than a high school or college player who is not being paid and is trying to improve his optics to get to the NBA to do the same thing. Therefore it became harder for III to get all his players to buy into his system. So when some were not doing or were not capable of doing all that was needed to make his system work, it started to decline. By the time he realized that a good floor general, pg, could create when the system was broken or was not operating proficiently on a given night it was too late. More worrisome were the optics the “in the huddle camera “ portrayed during timeouts by Fox FS1. It made it seem as though he did not have an answer when the system was not working. The successive seasons of mid-season transfers, right or wrong, gave the impression to the administration that he had lost his team. I thought and still do think that Waters and Lykes are transformative players, Waters moreso, who would have helped III, but would it be to transform the Hoyas into a running team as Ewing is trying to do, or solidify the Princeton On Steroids Offense initially dreamed of by III. Either way it was too late, the perception was that he was too tied to the Princeton to change. As “the-way” said it was time for a change. You're extremely lucid and correct, for an OLD GUY!
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Jan 18, 2018 17:54:44 GMT -5
People don't change, so you have to change people.
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Post by iowa80 on Jan 18, 2018 18:01:48 GMT -5
Let me first say that I was a JTIII supporter during his tenure at Georgetown. I thought tha Princeton style offense he brought to Georgetown was the right offense to bring the Hoyas all the way back to the top. The Princeton Offense on steroids as one announcer said when you could run it with superior athletes. It worked for the most part, at first because JTIII had made the team believe that his system could make the rest of the college world remember who Georgetown was. All the players even those with NBA hopes bought into the little things it took to run the offense, I.e., setting picks,constantly moving from one side of court to another, making crisp backdoor cuts, and making passes to another player who had a better shot than themselves. It was a beautiful thing to behold when all the players had that single goal of “ making the rest of the college B.B. world remember who Georgetown was”. When the Hoyas reached the Final Four in III’s third season most commentators declared that the Hoyas were back. That early success I think was the beginning of the end for JTIII because it solidified his personal belief that he could win it all if he had the right point/forward player/s to run his system. That he really did not need a traditional pg, and that he did not need traditional role players but instead have a team made up of combo guards and good forwards who were good passers and were also good 3pt shooters. His recruitment priorities then morphed into getting top players regardless of the abilities initially sought to run the Princeton style offense. This unfortunately resulted in players who did not have the necessary skills to run said offense. Tarik Turner Fox B.B. commentator, I believe, made the observation that many of the successful NBA teams now run a version of the Princeton Offense. He opined that it was easier to get a player who is being paid millions, to set a pick or pass to the person with a better shot than a high school or college player who is not being paid and is trying to improve his optics to get to the NBA to do the same thing. Therefore it became harder for III to get all his players to buy into his system. So when some were not doing or were not capable of doing all that was needed to make his system work, it started to decline. By the time he realized that a good floor general, pg, could create when the system was broken or was not operating proficiently on a given night it was too late. More worrisome were the optics the “in the huddle camera “ portrayed during timeouts by Fox FS1. It made it seem as though he did not have an answer when the system was not working. The successive seasons of mid-season transfers, right or wrong, gave the impression to the administration that he had lost his team. I thought and still do think that Waters and Lykes are transformative players, Waters moreso, who would have helped III, but would it be to transform the Hoyas into a running team as Ewing is trying to do, or solidify the Princeton On Steroids Offense initially dreamed of by III. Either way it was too late, the perception was that he was too tied to the Princeton to change. As “the-way” said it was time for a change. All well said. And in a classy way. To be perfectly straight, it's been difficult for me to avoid going off on III and the condition of the program that is, IMO, even more apparent now than when he was terminated. I keep telling myself. . . serves no purpose .... water over the damn .... serves no purpose .... water over the damn.
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Post by jld54 on Jan 18, 2018 19:01:27 GMT -5
Let me first say that I was a JTIII supporter during his tenure at Georgetown. I thought tha Princeton style offense he brought to Georgetown was the right offense to bring the Hoyas all the way back to the top. The Princeton Offense on steroids as one announcer said when you could run it with superior athletes. It worked for the most part, at first because JTIII had made the team believe that his system could make the rest of the college world remember who Georgetown was. All the players even those with NBA hopes bought into the little things it took to run the offense, I.e., setting picks,constantly moving from one side of court to another, making crisp backdoor cuts, and making passes to another player who had a better shot than themselves. It was a beautiful thing to behold when all the players had that single goal of “ making the rest of the college B.B. world remember who Georgetown was”. When the Hoyas reached the Final Four in III’s third season most commentators declared that the Hoyas were back. That early success I think was the beginning of the end for JTIII because it solidified his personal belief that he could win it all if he had the right point/forward player/s to run his system. That he really did not need a traditional pg, and that he did not need traditional role players but instead have a team made up of combo guards and good forwards who were good passers and were also good 3pt shooters. His recruitment priorities then morphed into getting top players regardless of the abilities initially sought to run the Princeton style offense. This unfortunately resulted in players who did not have the necessary skills to run said offense. Tarik Turner Fox B.B. commentator, I believe, made the observation that many of the successful NBA teams now run a version of the Princeton Offense. He opined that it was easier to get a player who is being paid millions, to set a pick or pass to the person with a better shot than a high school or college player who is not being paid and is trying to improve his optics to get to the NBA to do the same thing. Therefore it became harder for III to get all his players to buy into his system. So when some were not doing or were not capable of doing all that was needed to make his system work, it started to decline. By the time he realized that a good floor general, pg, could create when the system was broken or was not operating proficiently on a given night it was too late. More worrisome were the optics the “in the huddle camera “ portrayed during timeouts by Fox FS1. It made it seem as though he did not have an answer when the system was not working. The successive seasons of mid-season transfers, right or wrong, gave the impression to the administration that he had lost his team. I thought and still do think that Waters and Lykes are transformative players, Waters moreso, who would have helped III, but would it be to transform the Hoyas into a running team as Ewing is trying to do, or solidify the Princeton On Steroids Offense initially dreamed of by III. Either way it was too late, the perception was that he was too tied to the Princeton to change. As “the-way” said it was time for a change. Perhaps the most cogent analysis of the JT3 issue yet.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Jan 18, 2018 19:10:51 GMT -5
You said that Brunson is the savior of the team and pointed to last night as a example. It's literally in the post. My point is that last night was not at all an example of that. There was no way Brunson was a key factor in controlling the tempo and getting the team involved. You can send links all you want, Im not trying to be a jerk about it. I watched the game. Last night was the perfect example of exactly what the_way was saying - i.e., we need way more than a PG to be anywhere near the team Nova is. Every player on the floor was running circles around us. Yes, Brunson had 18 and 7, but DiVencenzo had 13 pts, 7 boards, 5 assists and 3 steals. I mean, no one is disagreeing with you that a PG is really important, and we desperately need one, but a PG is not a "savior." You need much more. [/quote Lol hilarious mofos hate to admit when they wrong.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Jan 18, 2018 19:12:23 GMT -5
Yes, agree. Also, you can get trapped in the "maybe next year things will get better" trap.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Jan 18, 2018 19:16:28 GMT -5
Let me first say that I was a JTIII supporter during his tenure at Georgetown. I thought tha Princeton style offense he brought to Georgetown was the right offense to bring the Hoyas all the way back to the top. The Princeton Offense on steroids as one announcer said when you could run it with superior athletes. It worked for the most part, at first because JTIII had made the team believe that his system could make the rest of the college world remember who Georgetown was. All the players even those with NBA hopes bought into the little things it took to run the offense, I.e., setting picks,constantly moving from one side of court to another, making crisp backdoor cuts, and making passes to another player who had a better shot than themselves. It was a beautiful thing to behold when all the players had that single goal of “ making the rest of the college B.B. world remember who Georgetown was”. When the Hoyas reached the Final Four in III’s third season most commentators declared that the Hoyas were back. That early success I think was the beginning of the end for JTIII because it solidified his personal belief that he could win it all if he had the right point/forward player/s to run his system. That he really did not need a traditional pg, and that he did not need traditional role players but instead have a team made up of combo guards and good forwards who were good passers and were also good 3pt shooters. His recruitment priorities then morphed into getting top players regardless of the abilities initially sought to run the Princeton style offense. This unfortunately resulted in players who did not have the necessary skills to run said offense. Tarik Turner Fox B.B. commentator, I believe, made the observation that many of the successful NBA teams now run a version of the Princeton Offense. He opined that it was easier to get a player who is being paid millions, to set a pick or pass to the person with a better shot than a high school or college player who is not being paid and is trying to improve his optics to get to the NBA to do the same thing. Therefore it became harder for III to get all his players to buy into his system. So when some were not doing or were not capable of doing all that was needed to make his system work, it started to decline. By the time he realized that a good floor general, pg, could create when the system was broken or was not operating proficiently on a given night it was too late. More worrisome were the optics the “in the huddle camera “ portrayed during timeouts by Fox FS1. It made it seem as though he did not have an answer when the system was not working. The successive seasons of mid-season transfers, right or wrong, gave the impression to the administration that he had lost his team. I thought and still do think that Waters and Lykes are transformative players, Waters moreso, who would have helped III, but would it be to transform the Hoyas into a running team as Ewing is trying to do, or solidify the Princeton On Steroids Offense initially dreamed of by III. Either way it was too late, the perception was that he was too tied to the Princeton to change. As “the-way” said it was time for a change. I bascially mentioned this and provided links. Right the Georgetown offense JT3 thought at the time dint "require" a traditional pg but i always said u "need" a skill point to lead and to run the show yup. He went out and got Waters but our fanbase ran him away and JT3. We are paying the price for this right now. Patience was the key. I could care a less what "the way" said i personally didn't feel it was time for a change. We see this now. Guilt and denial is a bad thing... Oldhoyafan. Last week, Thompson compared the Hoyas' style of play to "European ball. Pieces of the Princeton playbook have begun showing up in the NBA. "It's not rocket science. It's not earth shattering," he said. redirect.viglink.com/?format=go&jsonp=vglnk_151632168923111&key=bbb516d91daee20498798694a42dd559&libId=jcl6r5s9010004m6000MAow7ytgp9&loc=http%3A%2F%2Fhoyatalk2.proboards.com%2Fthread%2F30707%2F30-seconds%3Fpage%3D2%23post-758863&v=1&out=https%3A%2F%2Fpilotonline.com%2Fsports%2Fcollege%2Farticle_8589ebb3-cc82-5528-bcb5-012d78e6379f.html&ref=http%3A%2F%2Fhoyatalk2.proboards.com%2Fpost%2F758863%2Fedit&title=30%20Seconds%20%7C%20HoyaTalk&txt=pilotonline.com%2Fsports%2Fcollege%2Farticle_8589ebb3-cc82-5528-bcb5-012d78e6379f.html
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Jan 18, 2018 19:26:30 GMT -5
Yes, agree. Also, you can get trapped in the "maybe next year things will get better" trap. Say what? Lol most were wrong and impatient this is the price you pay for it.
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Post by professorhoya on Jan 19, 2018 9:41:54 GMT -5
Let me first say that I was a JTIII supporter during his tenure at Georgetown. I thought tha Princeton style offense he brought to Georgetown was the right offense to bring the Hoyas all the way back to the top. The Princeton Offense on steroids as one announcer said when you could run it with superior athletes. It worked for the most part, at first because JTIII had made the team believe that his system could make the rest of the college world remember who Georgetown was. All the players even those with NBA hopes bought into the little things it took to run the offense, I.e., setting picks,constantly moving from one side of court to another, making crisp backdoor cuts, and making passes to another player who had a better shot than themselves. It was a beautiful thing to behold when all the players had that single goal of “ making the rest of the college B.B. world remember who Georgetown was”. When the Hoyas reached the Final Four in III’s third season most commentators declared that the Hoyas were back. That early success I think was the beginning of the end for JTIII because it solidified his personal belief that he could win it all if he had the right point/forward player/s to run his system. That he really did not need a traditional pg, and that he did not need traditional role players but instead have a team made up of combo guards and good forwards who were good passers and were also good 3pt shooters. His recruitment priorities then morphed into getting top players regardless of the abilities initially sought to run the Princeton style offense. This unfortunately resulted in players who did not have the necessary skills to run said offense. Tarik Turner Fox B.B. commentator, I believe, made the observation that many of the successful NBA teams now run a version of the Princeton Offense. He opined that it was easier to get a player who is being paid millions, to set a pick or pass to the person with a better shot than a high school or college player who is not being paid and is trying to improve his optics to get to the NBA to do the same thing. Therefore it became harder for III to get all his players to buy into his system. So when some were not doing or were not capable of doing all that was needed to make his system work, it started to decline. By the time he realized that a good floor general, pg, could create when the system was broken or was not operating proficiently on a given night it was too late. More worrisome were the optics the “in the huddle camera “ portrayed during timeouts by Fox FS1. It made it seem as though he did not have an answer when the system was not working. The successive seasons of mid-season transfers, right or wrong, gave the impression to the administration that he had lost his team. I thought and still do think that Waters and Lykes are transformative players, Waters moreso, who would have helped III, but would it be to transform the Hoyas into a running team as Ewing is trying to do, or solidify the Princeton On Steroids Offense initially dreamed of by III. Either way it was too late, the perception was that he was too tied to the Princeton to change. As “the-way” said it was time for a change. The other thing that hurt him was TV. TV wanted more scoring and more offense. So the NCAA I plemented freedom of movement. That made it very difficult to defend man to man without fouling. What this meant was you could no longer play great defense. So it turned into a track meet and you had to outscore your opponent. Villanova was the primary beneficiary of this because freedom of movement made their 4 guards one big offense unstoppable and the ideal offense under this rule set. It was something they were already doing and it was serendipitous luck that the rules changed to their favor. Likewise the Packlies teams (uva, Arizona, Xavier, msu, butler, Wisconsin) lucked out because freedom of movement doesn't impact pack the line defenses in terms of fouls. With the Princeton offense you had a low scoring, grind it out, slow down offens but it was predicated on having a great defense. The hoyas always led the nation in fg% defense every year. But once freedom of movement hit the Hoyas defense no longer could work, on top of putting all their players in foul trouble and putting the opponent at the free throw line. Once the defense collapsed because of the rules change, the Princeton was forced to try to outscore their opponent. But the offense is not designed to do that. It's designed to waste time and limit turnovers to keep the score close.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Jan 19, 2018 10:04:22 GMT -5
Forget freedom of movement, we are still digesting the shot clock and three point shot. Sadly, I'm only half kidding here.
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Post by HoyaRejuveNation85 on Jan 19, 2018 11:34:54 GMT -5
You cannot understate Professor's point about the freedom of movement rules, their negative impact on our recent teams, and 3's inability to adjust to them after a few years of rampant fouling and outsized free throw disparities. Currently, at least, for whatever reason (coaching seems the most plausible reason), we are fouling less than we were and have improved the free throw disparity even against conference foes.
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Post by the_way on Jan 19, 2018 11:56:25 GMT -5
You cannot understate Professor's point about the freedom of movement rules, their negative impact on our recent teams, and 3's inability to adjust to them after a few years of rampant fouling and outsized free throw disparities. Currently, at least, for whatever reason (coaching seems the most plausible reason), we are fouling less than we were and have improved the free throw disparity even against conference foes. This, and professor's point about Villanova was spot on. Jay Wright' style was small ball before and after the rule changes. Business as usual.
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CTHoya08
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Post by CTHoya08 on Jan 19, 2018 11:59:12 GMT -5
We never adjusted to the new rules on defense, but we also never seemed to exploit them on offense. I expected that a "finesse" or "movement" offense like ours (was supposed to be) would have benefited from tighter whistles.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Jan 19, 2018 12:06:59 GMT -5
An elite guard can penetrate and draw fouls. Our guards are penetrating and charging several times a game.
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Post by the_way on Jan 19, 2018 12:16:06 GMT -5
An elite guard can penetrate and draw fouls. Our guards are penetrating and charging several times a game. Yep,an elite guard can also create his own shot and finish. They don't know to finish at the rack through traffic and potentially get an and 1. Our guards can't really disrupt when it comes to breaking down their man their man off the dribble and knifing through a defense.
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Post by prhoya on Jan 19, 2018 12:46:36 GMT -5
An elite guard can penetrate and draw fouls. Our guards are penetrating and charging several times a game. It's not limited to elite guards. A good to above-average guard can do it. There are too many around that can do it to think just the elite ones can do it. They're just not on our team yet. You were right in saying that Pat should not stop looking for his first-choice recruits, but always have several capable plan B recruits. Hit the recruiting trail hard, Pat! Success will follow.
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