blueandgray
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Post by blueandgray on Jan 24, 2018 23:20:18 GMT -5
Is this even a debate anymore?
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Post by gunny on Jan 25, 2018 0:12:06 GMT -5
Are we still "worried" that Jessie is going pro after this year. So far away from getting drafted. Legit pro prospects don't SUck against DePaul.
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Post by bostonfan on Jan 25, 2018 8:33:57 GMT -5
Is this even a debate anymore? Jessie can still be an effective player, but his lack of explosiveness and quickness make it easy for teams to negate him by doubling him in the post. He is not an effective pick and roll player because he simply does not roll hard/quick enough to create space. If teams play him one on one he can be an effective player, but if he is doubled he is not going to score consistently. In those games he needs to be a better rebounder and defender, which does not seem to happen when he is not playing well on the offense end.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Jan 25, 2018 11:08:52 GMT -5
Our best two players, but both are not quick or bouncy. This is why the double team is effective and why Derrickson gets blocked under the hoop. Also, why NBA may be a reach.
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Post by veilside21 on Jan 25, 2018 17:56:16 GMT -5
Both should stay but if the reason is trying to make it to the NBA govan is the more logical choice.. MD might be europe bound at best
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Jan 25, 2018 18:08:43 GMT -5
I think one more year under their belts--and with Ewing brand of coaching--they will be ready.
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Post by mapei on Jan 25, 2018 18:38:45 GMT -5
I know I am ridiculously naive about this, but I would hope that a couple of rising seniors with almost no chance to play in the NBA would actually see the value in getting an education from Georgetown University. Whatever basketball choices are available to them will still be there after graduation.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 26, 2018 2:50:54 GMT -5
I know I am ridiculously naive about this, but I would hope that a couple of rising seniors with almost no chance to play in the NBA would actually see the value in getting an education from Georgetown University. Whatever basketball choices are available to them will still be there after graduation. Yep. I would be shocked if either left.
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Post by bostonfan on Jan 26, 2018 8:49:16 GMT -5
I know I am ridiculously naive about this, but I would hope that a couple of rising seniors with almost no chance to play in the NBA would actually see the value in getting an education from Georgetown University. Whatever basketball choices are available to them will still be there after graduation. Yep. I would be shocked if either left. I guess the real unknown is the personal financial situations of Marcus and Jessie, and their families. I think LJ was in a similar situation last year where his real opportunity to make a NBA roster was pretty limited last year, but it was reported that his personal financial situation and his desire to start earning some money right away playing basketball had an impact on his decision to declare early. If a player,or his family, needs to start earning money as soon as possible it is hard to disagree with a decision to leave early even if the chance of playing in the NBA right away is unlikely.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Jan 26, 2018 9:14:22 GMT -5
Is this even a debate anymore? Ha!
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Jan 26, 2018 9:16:36 GMT -5
Yep. I would be shocked if either left. I guess the real unknown is the personal financial situations of Marcus and Jessie, and their families. I think LJ was in a similar situation last year where his real opportunity to make a NBA roster was pretty limited last year, but it was reported that his personal financial situation and his desire to start earning some money right away playing basketball had an impact on his decision to declare early. If a player,or his family, needs to start earning money as soon as possible it is hard to disagree with a decision to leave early even if the chance of playing in the NBA right away is unlikely. Marcus' family is okay. He comes from a two parent household. His older sister works for the federal government. We work in the same building. Jessie, idk about. Both should stay though. L. J. should've stayed.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Jan 26, 2018 9:17:20 GMT -5
I think one more year under their belts--and with Ewing brand of coaching--they will be ready. Truth.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Jan 26, 2018 9:18:12 GMT -5
Is this even a debate anymore? Somebody was bored. lol
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Post by NCHoya on Jan 26, 2018 10:02:27 GMT -5
As to the original question of this thread, MD is the one I would want to stay. He has a chance to be a very good college player and I enjoy watching him play. Jessie is unfortunately getting exposed right now by better competition and while I understand the traditional reason you need a 5, too many teams are successful without one. I think with all the length we bring in next season, we could get away without a traditional center and MD would be our absolute #1 option on offense and an all-BE caliber player - hard to replace that type of player. Would love to see him pick up a few tricks from Ewing/Orr to become a better all around player and offset some of his physical limitations.
As for the other debate, neither one is an NBA player, for all the reasons that have been mentioned. However, both can make money playing basketball. While I think Jessie should stay put, get his degree and continue to learn from a legit NBA big-man coach; I can understand he may be itching to move on in life and begin a new journey.
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Post by blueandgray on Jan 26, 2018 10:10:27 GMT -5
I guess the real unknown is the personal financial situations of Marcus and Jessie, and their families. I think LJ was in a similar situation last year where his real opportunity to make a NBA roster was pretty limited last year, but it was reported that his personal financial situation and his desire to start earning some money right away playing basketball had an impact on his decision to declare early. If a player,or his family, needs to start earning money as soon as possible it is hard to disagree with a decision to leave early even if the chance of playing in the NBA right away is unlikely. Marcus' family is okay. He comes from a two parent household. His older sister works for the federal government. We work in the same building. We talked yesterday and she said we need a point guard lol. She's very humble. Jessie, idk about. Both should stay though. L. J. should've stayed. Hope our current PG’s aren’t reading this. Some things are better not said boss.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jan 26, 2018 10:21:47 GMT -5
As for the other debate, neither one is an NBA player, for all the reasons that have been mentioned. However, both can make money playing basketball. While I think Jessie should stay put, get his degree and continue to learn from a legit NBA big-man coach; I can understand he may be itching to move on in life and begin a new journey. Maybe I am naive (or maybe it's because I am not 20 years old), but I just don't get the allure of leaving college for Europe or something like that where you're not going to even be making that much money in the long run. If you are going to be drafted in the first round I get it - guaranteed money, a lifestyle you have dreamed of, likely playing on an NBA roster etc. It's hard to tell any 18 year old kid (or anyone for that matter) that guaranteed money and a multi-million contract is something they should forego. I especially don't get the allure of going to Europe when it likely means (a) you'll never play in the NBA and (b) you won't get your degree. I get that guys probably undervalue the degree, but look at someone like DSR. He had thought about leaving after junior year, he didn't, got his degree, and then only a year or so into professional basketball he had to stop playing. You bet he was probably glad he had his degree at that point. I also think the pure monetary calculation isn't as close as some people make it seem. Your senior year of college is worth what, $50-$60K based solely on tuition, etc.? When you consider it gets you the degree on top of it, the "value" is likely higher than that. Let's say you were going to make $120,000 in Europe instead. While staying in school "gives up" that salary, you are gaining the value of getting the degree (and getting the degree likely means higher earnings post-basketball). Thus, even in pure monetary terms, to me, it's not so clear cut that leaving when you're not going to make an NBA roster makes much sense. It would be an interesting study to take all the guys who have left college before senior year, without being drafted, and see what happens to them. My guess is a low percentage ever make the NBA.
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Post by SSHoya on Jan 26, 2018 10:34:43 GMT -5
As for the other debate, neither one is an NBA player, for all the reasons that have been mentioned. However, both can make money playing basketball. While I think Jessie should stay put, get his degree and continue to learn from a legit NBA big-man coach; I can understand he may be itching to move on in life and begin a new journey. Maybe I am naive (or maybe it's because I am not 20 years old), but I just don't get the allure of leaving college for Europe or something like that where you're not going to even be making that much money in the long run. If you are going to be drafted in the first round I get it - guaranteed money, a lifestyle you have dreamed of, likely playing on an NBA roster etc. It's hard to tell any 18 year old kid (or anyone for that matter) that guaranteed money and a multi-million contract is something they should forego. I especially don't get the allure of going to Europe when it likely means (a) you'll never play in the NBA and (b) you won't get your degree. I get that guys probably undervalue the degree, but look at someone like DSR. He had thought about leaving after junior year, he didn't, got his degree, and then only a year or so into professional basketball he had to stop playing. You bet he was probably glad he had his degree at that point. I also think the pure monetary calculation isn't as close as some people make it seem. Your senior year of college is worth what, $50-$60K based solely on tuition, etc.? When you consider it gets you the degree on top of it, the "value" is likely higher than that. Let's say you were going to make $120,000 in Europe instead. While staying in school "gives up" that salary, you are gaining the value of getting the degree (and getting the degree likely means higher earnings post-basketball). Thus, even in pure monetary terms, to me, it's not so clear cut that leaving when you're not going to make an NBA roster makes much sense. It would be an interesting study to take all the guys who have left college before senior year, without being drafted, and see what happens to them. My guess is a low percentage ever make the NBA. Head to China! Only a 38-game, 5-month long season! www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/17714126/american-basketball-players-share-tales-really-play-china
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Jan 26, 2018 11:10:18 GMT -5
Marcus' family is okay. He comes from a two parent household. We work in the same building. Jessie, idk about. Both should stay though. L. J. should've stayed. Hope our current PG’s aren’t reading this. Some things are better not said boss.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Jan 26, 2018 11:11:37 GMT -5
Marcus' family is okay. He comes from a two parent household. Jessie, idk about. Both should stay though. L. J. should've stayed. Hope our current PG’s aren’t reading this. Some things are better not said boss.
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Post by ewingitrust on Jan 26, 2018 11:30:53 GMT -5
Another year under Ewing both these guys will be monsters...one of the best frontcourts in the country. Our guards will improve...and with our 2018 class coming in...our rise to the Big East top begins next year.
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