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Post by blazers44 on Aug 26, 2018 13:59:45 GMT -5
Too bad, but this kid is going to WVU or UK. sends like a perfect fit for Bob Higgins and his physical style. Would be a good for for Cal as well. Reminds me of bam adebayo.
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Post by Elvado on Aug 26, 2018 14:01:27 GMT -5
Next.
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Post by blazers44 on Aug 26, 2018 14:05:58 GMT -5
List of bigs is slipping out of ewing hands as we speak. This was suppose to be his yr. Smh
Gone are
Bacot Stewart Tshiewbe Cockburn Shedrick Carey
Next up... Igehion Baker Wahab Lorca Lloyd Nanji Lewis Wilson Jones
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Post by CaliHoya on Aug 26, 2018 14:31:59 GMT -5
Really sucks. Was a big Oscar fan.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Aug 26, 2018 15:04:51 GMT -5
It's sad to me how these kids prostitute (probably a poor choice of words but the correct sentiment) themselves for Kentucky. Kentucky hasn't even offered Oscar and have made his final 4. My statement had nothing to do with Georgetown because he could have made his list a final 5 instead of 4 if he was interested in Georgetown. PayPal Cal has these kids really believing they need him when it really is the other way around! I think Coach Ewing and the staff are doing a great job of initially recruiting prospects. Where I think the staff maybe running into issues in the closing is not anticipating the negative recruiting that I'm absolutely sure they are getting from the more established programs. Other programs can point to a long list of things to negatively recruit against Georgetown. The schedule, attendance, lack of any recent success (1 NCAA tournament in 5 years), 1 NBA draft pick in 6 years. Rigorous academic requirements and accountability for kids that think they are O&D's and just want to play ball and skate by. I can go on... The academic requirements and accountability will always hurt Georgetown and schools like it. Don't come at me with Vanderbilt because I have seen football recruits get in there who didn't have the academic resume whatsoever. Until their is visual proof of on court success, the staff is going to miss on the top kids. Tbh the staff should be looking at 2nd tier prospects with major upside. Late bloomers! Not because they can't or won't get O&D's even though the cards are staked against them. They should focus on 2nd tier kids (except for Stewart they have for the most part) because of the eligibility questions like the NBA changing the age limit and the new NCAA rules that allow kids to go all the way through the draft and if not selected be able to go back to school. It's hard to build a team with so much instability. YaBoy put it the best way I've seen the other day when he said the focus should be on "singles and doubles". The staff built the foundation with the 2 classes. Now it's time to continue to build upon that foundation. Let the team have some success, make the NCAA tournament this year. Hopefully get Govan and probably Pickett get drafted in the 1st round. Add that to Derrickson signing with Warriors (and hopefully having a solid rookie season sticking with the NBA club) and then Coach Ewing can start to really battle against the negative recruiting that surrounds this program. Coach Ewing is right when he tells prospects he is in the best position to develop them for the NBA. He just has to go out and prove it now while winning games...
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Post by s4hoyas on Aug 26, 2018 15:09:49 GMT -5
I just don't get why a Team Loaded (Va.) center who spent time with Mac's family would want to attend Illinois or Baylor over playing for Patrick Ewing at Georgetown...I'd really like to know why we're not on that list, or why we can't even get a visit...just feels like something's missing...
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Aug 26, 2018 15:24:28 GMT -5
I just don't get why a Team Loaded (Va.) center who spent time with Mac's family would want to attend Illinois or Baylor over playing for Patrick Ewing at Georgetown...I'd really like to know why we're not on that list, or why we can't even get a visit...just feels like something's missing... Only played with Team Loaded for a year. Who knows what he felt about that experience. They played him behind 2 other Bigs that he was clearly better then. May have not been happy about that. Just speculating. He also changed schools which really helped West Virginia in his recruitment...
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Post by DFW HOYA on Aug 26, 2018 16:10:22 GMT -5
It's sad to me how these kids prostitute (probably a poor choice of words but the correct sentiment) themselves for Kentucky. Kentucky hasn't even offered Oscar and have made his final 4. My statement had nothing to do with Georgetown because he could have made his list a final 5 instead of 4 if he was interested in Georgetown. PayPal Cal has these kids really believing they need him when it really is the other way around! Kentucky may not be a final destination either. pittsburghsportsnow.com/2018/08/01/why-didnt-pitt-make-the-cut-for-4-star-oscar-tshiebwe/
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Aug 26, 2018 18:44:48 GMT -5
It's sad to me how these kids prostitute (probably a poor choice of words but the correct sentiment) themselves for Kentucky. Kentucky hasn't even offered Oscar and have made his final 4. My statement had nothing to do with Georgetown because he could have made his list a final 5 instead of 4 if he was interested in Georgetown. PayPal Cal has these kids really believing they need him when it really is the other way around! Kentucky may not be a final destination either. pittsburghsportsnow.com/2018/08/01/why-didnt-pitt-make-the-cut-for-4-star-oscar-tshiebwe/His current guardians relationship with Oscar is pretty well known around recruiting circles. Maybe the staff stopped pursuing because of the situation. Who knows? That's why I said above that his changing schools (and guardians) was in West Virginia's favor... Even with all that info out their regarding his ties to WVU, the young man only retweets articles about him and Kentucky on social media. Articles that state he's a backup plan if they don't get Wiseman, Hurt or Carey. He has listed Kentucky throughout even without a firm offer. So he's okay being someone else's back-up plan...? That's what I mean when I say that straight Cash-Cal has these kids prostituting themselves for an offer. Kentucky has to be a legitimate threat otherwise Oscar would have already committed to WVU if it as straight forward as the rumors with his guardian leads people to believe.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2018 18:55:28 GMT -5
I just don't get why a Team Loaded (Va.) center who spent time with Mac's family would want to attend Illinois or Baylor over playing for Patrick Ewing at Georgetown...I'd really like to know why we're not on that list, or why we can't even get a visit...just feels like something's missing... Never thought Georgetown had any sort of shot here but on this subject... 1) He has a handler... 2) His school list is Baylor, Illinois, Kentucky, WVU Could be something, could be nothing, but the fact Baylor offered him in late July and gets his first official 1 month later seemed a bit curious to me... I don't think the staff is wrong for going after big fish like Oscar as long as they continue to pursue kids like Wahab and Wilson. We still have Yurt who is going to start so you have time to develop a young big who may need some polish..
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Post by EtomicB on Aug 26, 2018 19:21:52 GMT -5
His current guardians relationship with Oscar is pretty well known around recruiting circles. Maybe the staff stopped pursuing because of the situation. Who knows? That's why I said above that his changing schools (and guardians) was in West Virginia's favor... Even with all that info out their regarding his ties to WVU, the young man only retweets articles about him and Kentucky on social media. Articles that state he's a backup plan if they don't get Wiseman, Hurt or Carey. He has listed Kentucky throughout even without a firm offer. So he's okay being someone else's back-up plan...? That's what I mean when I say that straight Cash-Cal has these kids prostituting themselves for an offer. Kentucky has to be a legitimate threat otherwise Oscar would have already committed to WVU if it as straight forward as the rumors with his guardian leads people to believe. I think this article is on point with OT & UK.. www.kentucky.com/sports/college/kentucky-sports/uk-recruiting/article216135530.html“I think they’re being sensitive, both sides,” Evans told the Herald-Leader. “I think Kentucky wants reassurances of: ‘If we do recruit you, how serious are you about us?’ Because I don’t think they want it to affect their recruitment of guys like Matt Hurt, James Wiseman and Vernon Carey. But they have shown some interest. If an offer does happen, I think it puts them into the pole spot.”
The Herald-Leader was recently told that UK’s pursuit of Tshiebwe is actually quite a bit further along than anyone is letting on publicly. The Wildcats’ coaching staff watched him get the better of Wiseman — UK’s No. 1 target for 2019 and the top-ranked player in that class — during the July evaluation period, and John Calipari has been in direct contact with Tshiebwe since then.
The UK coaching staff will continue to vigorously pursue Wiseman, Carey and Hurt, however, though the Cats could be looking to add more than one post player to their 2019 class with Reid Travis definitely gone after this season, and PJ Washington and EJ Montgomery considered possible first-round picks in the 2019 NBA Draft.
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Post by blazers44 on Aug 26, 2018 19:22:17 GMT -5
Yes thank God we have Yurtseven
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Aug 27, 2018 9:49:01 GMT -5
His current guardians relationship with Oscar is pretty well known around recruiting circles. Maybe the staff stopped pursuing because of the situation. Who knows? That's why I said above that his changing schools (and guardians) was in West Virginia's favor... Even with all that info out their regarding his ties to WVU, the young man only retweets articles about him and Kentucky on social media. Articles that state he's a backup plan if they don't get Wiseman, Hurt or Carey. He has listed Kentucky throughout even without a firm offer. So he's okay being someone else's back-up plan...? That's what I mean when I say that straight Cash-Cal has these kids prostituting themselves for an offer. Kentucky has to be a legitimate threat otherwise Oscar would have already committed to WVU if it as straight forward as the rumors with his guardian leads people to believe. I think this article is on point with OT & UK.. www.kentucky.com/sports/college/kentucky-sports/uk-recruiting/article216135530.html“I think they’re being sensitive, both sides,” Evans told the Herald-Leader. “I think Kentucky wants reassurances of: ‘If we do recruit you, how serious are you about us?’ Because I don’t think they want it to affect their recruitment of guys like Matt Hurt, James Wiseman and Vernon Carey. But they have shown some interest. If an offer does happen, I think it puts them into the pole spot.”
The Herald-Leader was recently told that UK’s pursuit of Tshiebwe is actually quite a bit further along than anyone is letting on publicly. The Wildcats’ coaching staff watched him get the better of Wiseman — UK’s No. 1 target for 2019 and the top-ranked player in that class — during the July evaluation period, and John Calipari has been in direct contact with Tshiebwe since then.
The UK coaching staff will continue to vigorously pursue Wiseman, Carey and Hurt, however, though the Cats could be looking to add more than one post player to their 2019 class with Reid Travis definitely gone after this season, and PJ Washington and EJ Montgomery considered possible first-round picks in the 2019 NBA Draft.If that's the plan then offer the kid... Actually I don't blame Kentucky one bit. These prospects are giving up the milk without Kentucky having to buy the cow. It's these low self-esteem prospects that are basically begging for an offer as if the only way to get to the NBA is through Kentucky and Duke. I know that this is really just an issue for me. I'm wired differently. I was always that person that wanted to beat the stacked squad instead of joining them. This LeBron James/Kevin Durant generation that prefers to join the best for an easier road instead of competing vs the best, I just can't get down with...
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Post by lucky on Aug 27, 2018 9:53:22 GMT -5
Kentucky also doesn't seem to have any problem dealing with recruits who have handlers.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Aug 27, 2018 9:57:28 GMT -5
Kentucky also doesn't seem to have any problem dealing with recruits who have handlers. Because they keep cash on hand...
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Post by EtomicB on Aug 27, 2018 10:13:01 GMT -5
I think this article is on point with OT & UK.. www.kentucky.com/sports/college/kentucky-sports/uk-recruiting/article216135530.html“I think they’re being sensitive, both sides,” Evans told the Herald-Leader. “I think Kentucky wants reassurances of: ‘If we do recruit you, how serious are you about us?’ Because I don’t think they want it to affect their recruitment of guys like Matt Hurt, James Wiseman and Vernon Carey. But they have shown some interest. If an offer does happen, I think it puts them into the pole spot.”
The Herald-Leader was recently told that UK’s pursuit of Tshiebwe is actually quite a bit further along than anyone is letting on publicly. The Wildcats’ coaching staff watched him get the better of Wiseman — UK’s No. 1 target for 2019 and the top-ranked player in that class — during the July evaluation period, and John Calipari has been in direct contact with Tshiebwe since then.
The UK coaching staff will continue to vigorously pursue Wiseman, Carey and Hurt, however, though the Cats could be looking to add more than one post player to their 2019 class with Reid Travis definitely gone after this season, and PJ Washington and EJ Montgomery considered possible first-round picks in the 2019 NBA Draft.If that's the plan then offer the kid... Actually I don't blame Kentucky one bit. These prospects are giving up the milk without Kentucky having to buy the cow. It's these low self-esteem prospects that are basically begging for an offer as if the only way to get to the NBA is through Kentucky and Duke. I know that this is really just an issue for me. I'm wired differently. I was always that person that wanted to beat the stacked squad instead of joining them. This LeBron James/Kevin Durant generation that prefers to join the best for an easier road instead of competing vs the best, I just can't get down with... If he doesn't get an offer when he visits, I'll agree that he was being played but now I think UK has shown that they're very interested in him and obviously he thinks they're sincere.. UK is on another lecel, I can't blame kids for wanting to be a part of it.. No disrespect to Baylor, WVU or Illinois but UK is well above them..
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Aug 27, 2018 10:21:56 GMT -5
If that's the plan then offer the kid... Actually I don't blame Kentucky one bit. These prospects are giving up the milk without Kentucky having to buy the cow. It's these low self-esteem prospects that are basically begging for an offer as if the only way to get to the NBA is through Kentucky and Duke. I know that this is really just an issue for me. I'm wired differently. I was always that person that wanted to beat the stacked squad instead of joining them. This LeBron James/Kevin Durant generation that prefers to join the best for an easier road instead of competing vs the best, I just can't get down with... If he doesn't get an offer when he visits, I'll agree that he was being played but now I think UK has shown that they're very interested in him and obviously he thinks they're sincere..UK is on another lecel, I can't blame kids for wanting to be a part of it.. No disrespect to Baylor, WVU or Illinois but UK is well above them.. This strategic game plans allows Kentucky to string him along until they have a better idea of where they are at with their top choices in Wiseman, Carey, and Hurt. They are playing the same game with Kofi Cockburn...
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Post by HometownHoya on Aug 27, 2018 10:28:52 GMT -5
The odds of making the NBA are incredibly low. I don't fault any kid for going to a program that increases those odds. Currently Gtown is not in that position but I believe Ewing will have us there in a few years.
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Post by hoyazeke on Aug 27, 2018 10:35:56 GMT -5
I think this article is on point with OT & UK.. www.kentucky.com/sports/college/kentucky-sports/uk-recruiting/article216135530.html“I think they’re being sensitive, both sides,” Evans told the Herald-Leader. “I think Kentucky wants reassurances of: ‘If we do recruit you, how serious are you about us?’ Because I don’t think they want it to affect their recruitment of guys like Matt Hurt, James Wiseman and Vernon Carey. But they have shown some interest. If an offer does happen, I think it puts them into the pole spot.”
The Herald-Leader was recently told that UK’s pursuit of Tshiebwe is actually quite a bit further along than anyone is letting on publicly. The Wildcats’ coaching staff watched him get the better of Wiseman — UK’s No. 1 target for 2019 and the top-ranked player in that class — during the July evaluation period, and John Calipari has been in direct contact with Tshiebwe since then.
The UK coaching staff will continue to vigorously pursue Wiseman, Carey and Hurt, however, though the Cats could be looking to add more than one post player to their 2019 class with Reid Travis definitely gone after this season, and PJ Washington and EJ Montgomery considered possible first-round picks in the 2019 NBA Draft.If that's the plan then offer the kid... Actually I don't blame Kentucky one bit. These prospects are giving up the milk without Kentucky having to buy the cow. It's these low self-esteem prospects that are basically begging for an offer as if the only way to get to the NBA is through Kentucky and Duke. I know that this is really just an issue for me. I'm wired differently. I was always that person that wanted to beat the stacked squad instead of joining them. This LeBron James/Kevin Durant generation that prefers to join the best for an easier road instead of competing vs the best, I just can't get down with... I'm with you H4E. I went to Langeley AFB every Saturday and would play 2gms against AI and lose rather than play 5-6 with him and win. The reason was 1.) I got better going against players like AI and 2.) I would get more touches in my 2gms against than my 5gms with AI....this is not a knock on Chuck, I'm a big fan, but I truly believe that you get better by attempting to slay the dragon....IMO
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Post by hoyazeke on Aug 27, 2018 10:43:32 GMT -5
The odds of making the NBA are incredibly low. I don't fault any kid for going to a program that increases those odds. Currently Gtown is not in that position but I believe Ewing will have us there in a few years. The odds are not that low once you achieve top10 level in HS. I would argue that the majority of players that top 10 in their class are a minimum of 1st rounders. We've seen 2 1ND lottery picks come from bad UNLV teams.
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