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Post by FromTheBeginning on Dec 29, 2017 11:25:15 GMT -5
This is the point where a few more 100-200 ranked opponents during the OCC would have really helped but those games might not even have been available with the late scheduling start.
All I know is that it's refreshing to see a coach actually look Editeded off during a game when lazy passes and unforced turnovers occur.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Dec 29, 2017 11:55:04 GMT -5
As critical as I can be sometimes, I am enjoying this season and feel like we are definitely headed in the right direction. I am selfish, so I want to win now. I feel like we are a couple of recruiting classes away from being in the top half of the conference and vying for the NCAAs.
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Post by dchoya72 on Dec 29, 2017 12:18:18 GMT -5
I like the style of play. It is open fundamental, aggressive basketball. With the right players it can be entertaining, winning basketball and attractive to prospective recruits.
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Post by upstatesaxa on Dec 29, 2017 15:09:46 GMT -5
C'mon, kids. I'm seeing phrases like "red flag" or "concerning." We hired a coach without any head or college coaching experience and he has propelled the team to 10-2, and close to 12-0.
This reminds me of the Big John Thompson glory days when we'd beat Carnesecca in a Saturday afternoon game in McDonough and you could see the Hoyas were improving every game and one of my classmates would say "Gee, I don't like the way he [JT Jr] calls timeouts...."
We did not hire a finished product. Pat has not held himself out as a finished product. Check the old threads, there were experienced college coaches out there that we did not elect to hire. Maybe didn't (gulp) even interview. WE hired a guy to revive the brand and guess what, he's doing it. Just one example: Govan is night and day improved.
So, you can just hang on to your concerns and red flags. Who at the school do you think could possibly mention these "concerns" to Coach Ewing -- the Athletics Director? Not at our school. The University President? I'd like to hear that conversation: "Ahhh, Patrick... may I call you Patrick? I was just thinking that in that Syracuse game, perhaps we should have switched to zone after that second TV time out. That Boeheim really is a bugger, isn't he. OK then, good talk. Next time, I have some good tips for the fellows to help their foul shooting..." Sort of doubt big Pat is reading the fretting here in order to get a clue how to tighten up his game management
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Post by EtomicB on Dec 29, 2017 15:23:12 GMT -5
C'mon, kids. I'm seeing phrases like "red flag" or "concerning." We hired a coach without any head or college coaching experience and he has propelled the team to 10-2, and close to 12-0. This reminds me of the Big John Thompson glory days when we'd beat Carnesecca in a Saturday afternoon game in McDonough and you could see the Hoyas were improving every game and one of my classmates would say "Gee, I don't like the way he [JT Jr] calls timeouts...." We did not hire a finished product. Pat has not held himself out as a finished product. Check the old threads, there were experienced college coaches out there that we did not elect to hire. Maybe didn't (gulp) even interview. WE hired a guy to revive the brand and guess what, he's doing it. Just one example: Govan is night and day improved. So, you can just hang on to your concerns and red flags. Who at the school do you think could possibly mention these "concerns" to Coach Ewing -- the Athletics Director? Not at our school. The University President? I'd like to hear that conversation: "Ahhh, Patrick... may I call you Patrick? I was just thinking that in that Syracuse game, perhaps we should have switched to zone after that second TV time out. That Boeheim really is a bugger, isn't he. OK then, good talk. Next time, I have some good tips for the fellows to help their foul shooting..." Sort of doubt big Pat is reading the fretting here in order to get a clue how to tighten up his game management So you're saying folks shouldn't discuss PE the coach until he becomes a finished product?
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Post by upstatesaxa on Dec 29, 2017 15:50:08 GMT -5
Discuss it I guess... but what "red flags" and concerns USUALLY mean are: here are some persistent, systemic deficits or defects that make us have to think about getting a different coach. We lost two games. Yes, we had leads. And we can talk all day about how "good" we are vis a vis those teams. One has a Hall of Fame coach, and the other program was successful enough that its coach got hired away. Obviously very different from our situation.
But the PE experiment will take three to four seasons to play out. He's going to make mistakes - or, moves/non-moves that are perceived as mistakes - throughout. And sure we can second guess them like guys probably did before Coach Naismith wore out the first peach basket. But to sit back and diagnose trends this early in the experiment seems kind of a joke, like the guy who criticized Ewing's in-game communication with Coach Orr. Please.
I'd say right now, the quality of our coach may exceed the level of our players. And yeah that surprises me given they were in college basketball last year
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Post by EtomicB on Dec 29, 2017 16:54:45 GMT -5
Discuss it I guess... but what "red flags" and concerns USUALLY mean are: here are some persistent, systemic deficits or defects that make us have to think about getting a different coach. We lost two games. Yes, we had leads. And we can talk all day about how "good" we are vis a vis those teams. One has a Hall of Fame coach, and the other program was successful enough that its coach got hired away. Obviously very different from our situation. But the PE experiment will take three to four seasons to play out. He's going to make mistakes - or, moves/non-moves that are perceived as mistakes - throughout. And sure we can second guess them like guys probably did before Coach Naismith wore out the first peach basket. But to sit back and diagnose trends this early in the experiment seems kind of a joke, like the guy who criticized Ewing's in-game communication with Coach Orr. Please. I'd say right now, the quality of our coach may exceed the level of our players. And yeah that surprises me given they were in college basketball last year I hear you in a way but to me this is what fans do.. Personally I don't think folks pointing out "red flags" is code for we need a new coach, I think it's along the same lines of posters talking about the need for Pickett to be a better decision maker.. I think they're just pointing out areas that can be improved upon..
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Post by upstatesaxa on Dec 30, 2017 14:27:23 GMT -5
Look, we're close to being on the same page.
If we had squeaked out one of those wins - preferably 'Cuse -- this thread wouldn't exist. If we nailed down both games, there instead would be a thread along the lines of "Pat Is The New John Wooden!" In fact, even Wooden likely didnt go 12-0 in his first season. He did end up 22-7 that year.
The coaches are certainly talking to Pickett about that and other aspects of his game. As stated above, any improvement Patrick may be considering re HIS part of the equation will have to be self generated
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Post by EtomicB on Dec 30, 2017 15:31:34 GMT -5
Look, we're close to being on the same page. I f we had squeaked out one of those wins - preferably 'Cuse -- this thread wouldn't exist. If we nailed down both games, there instead would be a thread along the lines of "Pat Is The New John Wooden!" In fact, even Wooden likely didnt go 12-0 in his first season. He did end up 22-7 that year. The coaches are certainly talking to Pickett about that and other aspects of his game. As stated above, any improvement Patrick may be considering re HIS part of the equation will have to be self generated I'm sure that thread would be started but I guarantee there'd still be posts about decisions the coach made or didn't make in that thread too.. Bottom line to me is that fans of a program in a downturn are going to be more critical(justified or not) until they see consistent success..
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Post by SDHoya on Dec 30, 2017 18:40:05 GMT -5
As frustrating as the last two games have been, with a half way decent PG this team is 13-0. That’s the hope for next year—if Mac or some grad transfer can provide that next year the turn overs and dumb mistakes which have killed us in all 3 losses will be greatly lessened.
This year there simply may not be a solution.
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Post by bamahoya11 on Dec 30, 2017 19:16:12 GMT -5
We aren't going to know what Ewing can do from this year. Unlike some on here, I believe Ewing is a "finished product" as a coach. Frankly I think it's wrong to suggest otherwise, when his lengthy NBA coaching experience was touted both by the committee that hired him and this board as the justification for his selection. We had a vigorous debate about that, but I don't think Ewing has ever suggested that he's currently using his coaching "training wheels." This is big time basketball. He expects his team to compete and win, and I expect that competitiveness from him.
That said, the Georgetown rebound is very far from being a finished product. I like what I see from Ewing so far. He has recruited well, given that he started relatively late as a new hire. His system when it works is fun to watch. And the biggest problems I see right now (poor guard play, lack of depth) are not of his making. It's not fair to critique many of the problems we have so far, as he's doing his best with a tough situation. That said, scrutinizing is something fans can and should do.
This season is a struggle at times, but I'm actually enjoying it. I wasn't around when Ewing was a player, but I have already come to appreciate his passion and competitiveness as a coach. He's engaged in the game and clearly commands the attention of his players. Once he gets the chance to recruit, I am increasingly confident that he can win here. I do think his system changes have been much needed. I just think everyone has to be ready for there to be bumps along the way. That's just where we are as a program right now.
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Post by dchoya72 on Dec 30, 2017 21:36:50 GMT -5
I was around before Patrick came to GU.He did say that this season will be ugly and it is. But the style of play and competitive spirit of the team is refreshing. The fight this team has is reflective of some of the teams Big John had. We just have to withstand the trials of this rebuild.
Actually the style of play is better. The movement. The earlier teams with Michael Riley, Gene Smith etc. thrived on defense. When Patrick, and company came they became more dangerous across the board. This team is adopting his spirit.
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Post by justsaying on Dec 30, 2017 23:09:54 GMT -5
I believe that for some that may have possibly had some unrealistic expectations or maybe wishes for this year are now starting to realize the rebuild is happening. I personally like the direction Coach E is taking to institute fight and competitiveness in these players and as he find and add the necessary pieces to the coming rosters I feel we are headed in the right direction.
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