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Post by SSHoya on Dec 16, 2017 21:04:41 GMT -5
Eric Smith was also at the game. Not to hijack, but I'd be remiss not to note that Eric swished a 12 footer at the end of the half to put us up by 10 against Iowa in '80. He's autograph-worthy for any Hoya fan. I was at that game. Eric looks like he can still play.
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Post by bornhoya on Dec 16, 2017 21:20:18 GMT -5
High caliber PG would solve both zone and press. Fumbled a few fast break opportunities. Missed out on four fast breaks opportunities. If we hit just one of those we win
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Post by beenaround on Dec 16, 2017 21:38:10 GMT -5
My thoughts:
1. The game was very similar to last year's Md game...we led the whole way and blew a nice lead at the end. 2. I am not as unhappy with the performance as some here. Perhaps I am mistaken, but I felt that we broke the press fairly well until the later stages of the game, when of course it killed us. I recall the HOyas getting at least three or four fast break hoops after breaking it. 3. One thing that impressed me was how well these guys run the fast break, especially as compared to JT3 teams. Almost every time they had a legit break opportunity, the right guy seemed to make the right pass for an easy score. We really are very good at running the break. 4. Very impressed with the passing, especially of MD and Jesse. Also thought Blair moved the ball well, although he really needs a lot of space to get off his outside shot. 5. Cuse never shoots that well from three...several of the shots were off the dribble and in our faces. Honestly, I think they would have easily whipped our man to man D. Obviously the hit the shots and once MD was out, it seemed we could not get a rebound. Agree, it might have been nice to see if Walker could have at least stopped the bleeding on the glass. From what I saw, we are not a last place BE team. we need Pickett to tighten up his game and for a guard to prove he an make the three and handle pressure. I am looking forward to the BE schedule..not dreading it.
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Post by blueandgray on Dec 16, 2017 22:44:40 GMT -5
We got hammered by the refs....that simple. We played good ball. A couple of the players after the game were so Editeded off at the calls made on MD. Instead of us shooting free throws and extending a lead...it’s a turnover and MD fouls out. Literally and figuratively a game changer!
Overall, I liked the way we played and I think we will do more damage than many think in conference play.
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Post by s4hoyas on Dec 16, 2017 23:01:18 GMT -5
To address my earlier comment that I would have liked to have seen Walker for rebounding, esp. after Derrickson was fouled out by a ridiculously bad call,I noticed that he was on the bench in a warmup top...I'm guessing/hoping he may still be recovering from strep throat...if so, I hope he is well soon and gets back into action because I think we'll need his physicality, toughness and rebounding as we move forward...
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Post by OldHoyafan on Dec 17, 2017 0:02:29 GMT -5
Lot of positive takes from this game today: 1. Hoyas are not a paper tiger who can just beat MEAC teams. They have two legitimate big men that opposing teams will have to game plan for. 2. They have a legitimate running team strategy, not just saying e able to betyou will run but with no real methodology to do so. 3. Man-to-man defense is legitimate, (at least for the first six players) especially the weak side help defense. Fun to watch. 4. The real Jessie Govan has finally arrived on campus. The Govan I saw today is an NBA first round pick next year. Running the court like a gazelle, blocking interior shots, hitting open 5 - 12 shots and catching difficult passes and finishing at the rim. Impressed with his stamina and lack of personal fouls also. Have to give credit to Ewing for the dramatic change. 5. Even though there were too many turnovers to Cuse’s press, they were due more to poor execution by guards, than lack of a good scheme. I know most everyone is lamenting the lack of a true point guard and Ewing keeping Moseley in the game instead of bringing in Mulmore, but even though this was Syracuse, it was still a non-conference game aimed at preparing team for he BE. With that in mind, Ewing wants Moseley to experience that pressure so that he will be better at breaking the press with a stronger handle when they play Nova and Providence. Mulmore is not the long term answer for this year , Moseley is. He needs more confidence in his handle. He is strong enough, like Brunson with a Nova to take the initial bump of the trapping guards and not be thrown off course. The second bump usually results in a foul call. He just needs to trust his abilities. Developing a reliable mid range jump shot this year is key also. The 3pt shot like Johnson will probably develope in his junior year. It took abnormal 3pt shooting day by the Cuse and the Hoyas(positive for Cuse and negative for Hoyas) and two horrible foul calls w/i 2 minutes on Derrickson for Hoyas to lose this game. I think there will be a surprise win or two BE play. 6. On a national stage future pg recruits saw the stark difference from Ewing’s running Hoyas and the perceived Princeton offense of JTIII. On a negative note would have liked to have seen Walker get some run when Derrickson fouled out. Like Moseley he needs the experience to get his confidence up. I know Pickett can hit the 3pt shot and has a lot of potential that has not been tapped yet like rebounding and shot blocking but Walker likewise has a lot of untapped potential also that has to be given a chance to grow.
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Post by TC on Dec 17, 2017 0:05:47 GMT -5
1. Hoyas are not a paper tiger who can just beat MEAC teams. They have two legitimate big men that opposing teams will have to game plan for. How is that a take from today? We lost. We haven't proven we can beat anything but MEAC teams and we field a schedule that argues the opposite. There'll be plenty of opportunity to *actually* prove that, but that's still an open question.
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Post by MCIGuy on Dec 17, 2017 0:20:36 GMT -5
5. Even though there were too many turnovers to Cuse’s press, they were due more to poor execution by guards, than lack of a good scheme. I know most everyone is lamenting the lack of a true point guard and Ewing keeping Moseley in the game instead of bringing in Mulmore, but even though this was Syracuse, it was still a non-conference game aimed at preparing team for he BE. With that in mind, Ewing wants Moseley to experience that pressure so that he will be better at breaking the press with a stronger handle when they play Nova and Providence. Mulmore is not the long term answer for this year , Moseley is. He needs more confidence in his handle. He is strong enough, like Brunson with a Nova to take the initial bump of the trapping guards and not be thrown off course. The second bump usually results in a foul call. He just needs to trust his abilities. Developing a reliable mid range jump shot this year is key also. The 3pt shot like Johnson will probably develope in his junior year I love this part of your post. It is frustrating to see fans want to give up on Moseley as pg because of claims that he doesn't have a point guard's handle. Maybe he is still developing them and just needs the confidence to go along with a tightening of his dribble. Ewing sees him every day in practice so he has a better vantage point of determining what Moseley can do and whether he is actually developing at a reasonable pace. The guy has some tools. For two years Hoya fans here were shaking their heads because of how they viewed Govan as having bad hands. Now his hands seems to be one of his best assets. My point is no one is ever completely a finished product in college and players can actually show tremendous skill improvement over time not because their hands magically got better, but because their level of confidence and/or rate of experience has risen. So even if Moseley doesn't put it altogether this season we will need him to be at that level next year. And he is not going to get to that point sitting on the bench; he needs major minutes per game being thrown into the fire. By the way I was so happy to see Moseley finally throw down a nasty dunk. Perhaps going forward he will have the confidence and moxy to do that on a more regular basis. Almost thought I was imagining things when I caught Derrickson dunking in the second half. Was that his first flush in a Hoya uniform?
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Post by DanMcQ on Dec 17, 2017 0:22:29 GMT -5
Saw McClung, DSR, Dalton, Whittington, Trawick, Cameron and Ayegba at the arena.
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Post by hoyapac on Dec 17, 2017 0:25:07 GMT -5
Refs took the game away from us. That back to back derrickson block/charge call was the game changer. Inexcusable calls in both instances. Not even close and cost us our 2nd best player in a huge game.
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Post by DanMcQ on Dec 17, 2017 1:22:17 GMT -5
Back home from the game, which I attended with 6 classmates. Some observations:
1. Really impressed with Mosely’s game today. He’s a key going forward.
2. Derrickson played well inside and snuck up as an offensive factor in the second half. He was coming directly at our seats when he was called for his 5th foul. It’s beyond me how he gets called for a charge when the defender moves laterally in front of him and undercuts him having not gotten to the spot first. abominable call.
3. That said, the game swung earlier when Govan received the ball FT line extended on offense, looked briefly for an outlet and then dropped his hands leading to a steal and fast break hoop.
4. Tough to outrebound a really good offensive rebounding team with the thin front court the Hoyas have.
5. ‘Cuse is going to struggle big time in the ACC.
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Post by bornhoya on Dec 17, 2017 8:02:08 GMT -5
5. Even though there were too many turnovers to Cuse’s press, they were due more to poor execution by guards, than lack of a good scheme. I know most everyone is lamenting the lack of a true point guard and Ewing keeping Moseley in the game instead of bringing in Mulmore, but even though this was Syracuse, it was still a non-conference game aimed at preparing team for he BE. With that in mind, Ewing wants Moseley to experience that pressure so that he will be better at breaking the press with a stronger handle when they play Nova and Providence. Mulmore is not the long term answer for this year , Moseley is. He needs more confidence in his handle. He is strong enough, like Brunson with a Nova to take the initial bump of the trapping guards and not be thrown off course. The second bump usually results in a foul call. He just needs to trust his abilities. Developing a reliable mid range jump shot this year is key also. The 3pt shot like Johnson will probably develope in his junior year I love this part of your post. It is frustrating to see fans want to give up on Moseley as pg because of claims that he doesn't have a point guard's handle. Maybe he is still developing them and just needs the confidence to go along with a tightening of his dribble. Ewing sees him every day in practice so he has a better vantage point of determining what Moseley can do and whether he is actually developing at a reasonable pace. The guy has some tools. For two years Hoya fans here were shaking their heads because of how they viewed Govan as having bad hands. Now his hands seems to be one of his best assets. My point is no one is ever completely a finished product in college and players can actually show tremendous skill improvement over time not because their hands magically got better, but because their level of confidence and/or rate of experience has risen. So even if Moseley doesn't put it altogether this season we will need him to be at that level next year. And he is not going to get to that point sitting on the bench; he needs major minutes per game being thrown into the fire. By the way I was so happy to see Moseley finally throw down a nasty dunk. Perhaps going forward he will have the confidence and moxy to do that on a more regular basis. Almost thought I was imagining things when I caught Derrickson dunking in the second half. Was that his first flush in a Hoya uniform? I like Jagan but he’s not a pg
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Post by richfame on Dec 17, 2017 8:11:48 GMT -5
Those last 3-5 minutes Looked like JT3 style basketball. Hard to believe we can't handle a second rate full court press. Syracuse was not exactly vintage Kentucky or Louisville. Collapse is a painful word for this program over the last few years. Yesterday's collapse made me cringe.
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Post by calhoya on Dec 17, 2017 8:18:19 GMT -5
Back home from the game, which I attended with 6 classmates. Some observations: 1. Really impressed with Mosely’s game today. He’s a key going forward. 2. Derrickson played well inside and snuck up as an offensive factor in the second half. He was coming directly at our seats when he was called for his 5th foul. It’s beyond me how he gets called for a charge when the defender moves laterally in front of him and undercuts him having not gotten to the spot first. abominable call. 3. That said, the game swung earlier when Govan received the ball FT line extended on offense, looked briefly for an outlet and then dropped his hands leading to a steal and fast break hoop. 4. Tough to outrebound a really good offensive rebounding team with the thin front court the Hoyas have. 5. ‘ Cuse is going to struggle big time in the ACC.A few more thoughts on the morning after: Yes, while there are several positives to be taken from yesterday's game it is important to realize that Syracuse is not an elite team, but rather a very young team that will be up and down all year. Bigger tests are coming in the form of Nova, Xavier, Seton Hall and Creighton. As my brother-in-law said, a game like this would have had the fanbase in revolt a year ago--guess that is a sign of how low the bar has been set after the disappointment of the past few seasons. I understand the Mosley love and he has been my candidate for breakout player this year, so hopefully yesterday was a start. However, I thought that Ewing waited too long to get Mulmore back in the game, at least for Blair, who made some good passes, but could not get his shot off, is not yet the defender that Mulmore is and is smaller and not as quick as Mulmore. It is frustrating to think of what this team could be with one guard who could consistently hit the 3. Additionally, while thinking of what might have been, had Akoy stayed the post depth issue would be resolved as well.
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Post by BeantownHoya on Dec 17, 2017 8:26:00 GMT -5
Tremont Waters had 19 points, 4 rebounds, 6 assists, and 4 steals today and went 8-10 from the line. ...and he had 5 turnovers and his team lost to Stephen F Austin...I am sure you meant to add those facts in as well...
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Post by sleepy on Dec 17, 2017 8:41:50 GMT -5
Eric Smith was also at the game. Not to hijack, but I'd be remiss not to note that Eric swished a 12 footer at the end of the half to put us up by 10 against Iowa in '80. He's autograph-worthy for any Hoya fan. 80 Just the Moniker still kills me every time I see it. To this day I believe we would have handled Deny Crum in the final four had Thompson not slowed the pace and essentially went 4 corners that day. Eric Smith perhaps the best all-round player on both sides to ever put on a GU jersey. Very underappreciated far more than autograph worthy.
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Post by vamosalaplaya on Dec 17, 2017 9:11:52 GMT -5
I thought there were lots of positives in the game that many other posters have cited. A couple points - and let me put these under the "welcome to the dynamics of coaching college basketball" category -
Not to belabor it - but the 'Cuse never shoots this well from 3 line' - only two players from Syracuse hit threes- Battle and Brissett. They combined for 10-18. By the time they had gotten to about 5 combined threes it seemed pretty clear you needed to get out of that zone or cover the hell out of them differently because they had two guys who were hot, not just one, which constitutes a "hot team" in college basketball jargon. And combine that with that with the fact GU had played zone 2% of the time this year, the guys feet looked like they had cement shoes on - and that we weren't bad in man to man-
Having only one timeout at the twelve minute mark - it was over ten, whatever the exact number was - was brutal and that's a bad number no matter how experienced your team is. I'd have to rewatch to see the other time outs, but in a tight game against a good team and with this squad's lack of experience - you are going to play with fire every time -
Derrickson should have been taken out the second he got his fourth. Regardless of the quality of the calls, he was clearly worked up and barreled right to the baseline on that next splay- take him out, sit next to him, remind him the game isn't over but he has to be careful, and get him during the next break, there was too much time left. It's one of those things you need to do in college with players, in particular those playing in big spots for the first time. There is a reason why it's an automatic reflex for every coach in that spot to pull the player.
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Post by sleepy on Dec 17, 2017 9:35:53 GMT -5
The opposing Hall of fame coach had only one time with about 9 minutes to go as well. The complaints about staying in the zone are somewhat legit but their run really started when the SU guards abused our backcourt driving inside on about 7 straight possessions.
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Post by GUJook97 on Dec 17, 2017 9:52:10 GMT -5
After this game, Im really anxious to see how we play against Butler at home. To me, that might be the biggest game for what this season will be. Sadly, it comes at probably the worst time of the year - late December. Im guessing, like me, many folks will be out of town. But, if we can beat Butler, we can probably win 6-7 BE home games, and the season looks a lot different. If we had gotten blown out by Syracuse, I wouldnt have even considered this.
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Dec 17, 2017 9:59:26 GMT -5
Back home from the game, which I attended with 6 classmates. Some observations: 1. Really impressed with Mosely’s game today. He’s a key going forward. 2. Derrickson played well inside and snuck up as an offensive factor in the second half. He was coming directly at our seats when he was called for his 5th foul. It’s beyond me how he gets called for a charge when the defender moves laterally in front of him and undercuts him having not gotten to the spot first. abominable call. 3. That said, the game swung earlier when Govan received the ball FT line extended on offense, looked briefly for an outlet and then dropped his hands leading to a steal and fast break hoop. 4. Tough to outrebound a really good offensive rebounding team with the thin front court the Hoyas have. 5. ‘ Cuse is going to struggle big time in the ACC.A few more thoughts on the morning after: Yes, while there are several positives to be taken from yesterday's game it is important to realize that Syracuse is not an elite team, but rather a very young team that will be up and down all year. Bigger tests are coming in the form of Nova, Xavier, Seton Hall and Creighton. As my brother-in-law said, a game like this would have had the fanbase in revolt a year ago--guess that is a sign of how low the bar has been set after the disappointment of the past few seasons. I understand the Mosley love and he has been my candidate for breakout player this year, so hopefully yesterday was a start. However, I thought that Ewing waited too long to get Mulmore back in the game, at least for Blair, who made some good passes, but could not get his shot off, is not yet the defender that Mulmore is and is smaller and not as quick as Mulmore. It is frustrating to think of what this team could be with one guard who could consistently hit the 3. Additionally, while thinking of what might have been, had Akoy stayed the post depth issue would be resolved as well. You know who else would have helped? Ike Copeland and Paul White who are mysteriously doing well on their new teams. Actually any 4-year seniors would help but we don't have those because the team was grossly mis-managed for so long that it became a revolving door. Both teams were young yesterday, but the hope is that we don't "stay young" as we have recently. Time will tell. 90% of the minutes in that game are supposed to return next year. And in two years Jessie should pass the torch to Sodom, MD to Josh, and Kaleb to Grayson and on it goes. If you're wondering why the bar is low, it's because a lot of people are finally beyond the "if we just..." false hope. There is no secret to how this works. Ewing has to build this team from the ground up. I think Moseley's game was good for him but better for Georgetown. If I'm a HS guard, I'm finally watching the Hoyas thinking "If that kid can hit floaters and throw it down in transition, I can too." Again time will tell.
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