rhw485
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Post by rhw485 on Jan 24, 2020 15:32:49 GMT -5
Feels like a situation where the recruiting rankings played a negative role in expectations for him. If I remember correctly, We were involved when he was in the 30-40 range. He had a great stretch of summer ball, jumps up to Top 5 in class and signed w Kentucky almost immediately thereafter. Some of the shine was already starting to wear off before he even played at Kentucky as he looked a little overmatched in the all star games and at US camps when there were other athletes of same caliber. If he's a top 30-40 player, I'm not 100% sure Kentucky grabs him, and the talk about him going pro wouldn't be there. We'll see if he transfers or decides he's better off developing in a teams G league program. Georgetown can't be picky at this point. This is an explosive athlete who is going to have a lot of time to work on his game. We have to be all-in here, even if it's just for 2nd semester next season propelling him pro. We have enough spots where we can get traditional 4 year players and go for someone like Whitney. Not mutually exclusive Yeah, Georgetown offered him in October 2017 when he was ranked in the 50-60 range. 247sports.com/PlayerSport/Kahlil-Whitney-at-Roselle-Catholic-191626/RecruitRankHistory/Ah that's right, I almost said that but didn't want to go too high on the number. Again it was one of those recruiting situations where Ewing did everything you would want, perfect target and then blue bloods got involved.
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Jan 24, 2020 15:37:55 GMT -5
I'd argue the opposite--if a kid transfers in, he's probably less likely to transfer a second time. I know that just happened with Alexander, but that was something of an exception and does not happen often. The rule requiring players to sit out when they transfer is specifically designed to discourage players from transferring multiple times in their career. This is a kid who did not stick out one full season at a school and no one here can figure out whether he's transferring or trying to go pro. I think the worry really isn't "does he transfer a second time", it's does he quit midseason with no warning? Stability is an actual thing to worry about with recruits that Ewing is not worrying enough about. Unfortunately I think kids not “sticking it out” when faced with PT adversity is a trend that’s only going to continue to gain traction. It’s starting to happen pretty frequently and I don’t see it reversing course. Should these kids work harder to try to re-earn their minutes? Of course. But it seems like a lot of them would rather just leave for a place where the PT isn’t nearly as hard to cole by. If we can capitalize off that and bring in talent/athleticism because of it (assuming there are no true red flags) then I say the more the merrier. Because god knows a kid like Whitney isn’t gonna have much competition for playing time next year.
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bostonfan
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Post by bostonfan on Jan 24, 2020 15:38:28 GMT -5
Ah that's right, I almost said that but didn't want to go too high on the number. Again it was one of those recruiting situations where Ewing did everything you would want, perfect target and then blue bloods got involved. It goes to show that the recruiting rankings are often determined by measurables (height/length) and athleticism and much less by actual skill level. A lot of the guys have impressive highlight reels that showcase their explosiveness, but don't show much real basketball skill and they still end up rated very highly. At this point the Hoyas need some explosive athletes and hopefully they can develop their skill level while in school. Whitney is a guy who was probably rated too high coming out high school but I would take risk on him now.
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TC
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Post by TC on Jan 24, 2020 15:53:43 GMT -5
This is a kid who did not stick out one full season at a school and no one here can figure out whether he's transferring or trying to go pro. I think the worry really isn't "does he transfer a second time", it's does he quit midseason with no warning? Stability is an actual thing to worry about with recruits that Ewing is not worrying enough about. Unfortunately I think kids not “sticking it out” when faced with PT adversity is a trend that’s only going to continue to gain traction. It’s starting to happen pretty frequently and I don’t see it reversing course. I totally agree, which is why I think grad transfers are so valuable. Not only are you getting a mature 22 year old off the court, you're getting someone who has proven they can stick it out when faced with adversity and dealing with different roles.
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Post by njhoyalawya on Jan 24, 2020 15:59:27 GMT -5
This is a kid who did not stick out one full season at a school and no one here can figure out whether he's transferring or trying to go pro. I think the worry really isn't "does he transfer a second time", it's does he quit midseason with no warning? Stability is an actual thing to worry about with recruits that Ewing is not worrying enough about. We need practice players at this point too. Bring him in, get him to realize the league is possibly never going to happen unless he develops. He probably has a better shot in college than in the G league. Beggars can't be choosers right now. I was thinking the same thing. May make sense for him to come to GU, practice/develop, and then assess whether he wants to test the pro waters or stay at GU and continue to develop his game. It is a win-win situation, as he could be a great help with getting the team prepared for games, while he can receive coaching and development at the same time. We have the scholarships, why not use them.
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Post by NCHoya on Jan 24, 2020 16:09:20 GMT -5
What a tricky situation here for the Hoyas. You just got burned by players like Whitney and yet his talent level and potential is so high, given all the room we have, he is worth the risk. At least we are very familiar with each other, so that is one positive.
However, what is the realistic best case scenario for us? That Whitney gets a waiver to play next spring semester before he leaves to go pro? Is there any chance he plays more than a semester as a Hoya?
Meanwhile, the worst case would be he finds out he needs to sit out the season and he leaves for the pros without ever playing a game for us. That seems to actually be the worst and most likely outcome. I mean we have a ton of schollies so I guess no harm in trying, but there is only a limited amount of upside here.
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LCPolo18
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Post by LCPolo18 on Jan 24, 2020 16:11:31 GMT -5
Unfortunately I think kids not “sticking it out” when faced with PT adversity is a trend that’s only going to continue to gain traction. It’s starting to happen pretty frequently and I don’t see it reversing course. I totally agree, which is why I think grad transfers are so valuable. Not only are you getting a mature 22 year old off the court, you're getting someone who has proven they can stick it out when faced with adversity and dealing with different roles. Seems like you must be cherry picking examples in order to come to that conclusion. The reasons players initiate a graduate transfer are no different than the reasons players initiate a regular transfer.
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Post by hoyas315 on Jan 24, 2020 16:11:31 GMT -5
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SSHoya
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Post by SSHoya on Jan 24, 2020 16:12:08 GMT -5
Pass.
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Jan 24, 2020 16:15:34 GMT -5
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doc2122
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Post by doc2122 on Jan 24, 2020 16:20:10 GMT -5
How about this Whitney Mitchell Moncrief Reid
Very realistic chance on all of them. Keep grinding Pat
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Post by nbhoya on Jan 24, 2020 16:25:59 GMT -5
Yeah, we’ll pass on that .9999 rated 5 Star. Sure Jan.
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Post by SSHoya on Jan 24, 2020 16:43:24 GMT -5
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Jan 24, 2020 16:46:45 GMT -5
Then why are you passing?
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Post by SSHoya on Jan 24, 2020 16:51:14 GMT -5
Why is he quitting after one semester? That's a red flag to me. Seems to me the KY staff and teammates were supportive of him but it didn't seem to matter to him unless there is more to the story.
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Post by mdtd on Jan 24, 2020 17:08:00 GMT -5
The fact that people would pass on a five-star recruit, with all of the athleticism with next year's team only having two forwards is beyond laughable. It's possibly the craziest thing I've read on this website. And if he doesn't get a waiver, the team the year after that has one forward. One. And we'd deny a five star who just didn't fit the system and got blocked out by coach Cal going three guards is crazy. Absolutely crazy. I just can't fathom passing on someone like this unless you know something else about him that we all don't. Which Coach would be much more likely to know instead of someone on here. Unless you are Coach...
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Jan 24, 2020 17:08:19 GMT -5
We can’t afford to pass. Don’t let what happened this year frighten you for life. We are not going to lose four players mid-season ever again. That was an outlier. We need good players now! Kids are going to transfer more frequently now, that’s the trend. Sometimes it’s not the kid, but the situation. Kids want to play, not ride the bench. Once you are pigeonholed by a coach, it’s hard to alter.
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Post by thedragon on Jan 24, 2020 17:15:05 GMT -5
Is this sarcastic? All I've read on here is how this season is made more depressing because next year looks worse. And then a 5 star McD-AA out of high school who had Gtown in its top 4 prior to picking UK is rumored to be a Gtown lean and we should "Pass"? I honestly dont know what you guys think is the right path anymore.
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Post by FromTheBeginning on Jan 24, 2020 17:31:37 GMT -5
Why are we worrying a kid who can't get playing time as a freshman opting for the draft??
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LCPolo18
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Post by LCPolo18 on Jan 24, 2020 17:35:10 GMT -5
Why is he quitting after one semester? That's a red flag to me. Seems to me the KY staff and teammates were supportive of him but it didn't seem to matter to him unless there is more to the story. He's transferring because he's barely playing at Kentucky (averaging 7 minutes per game in conference play). I'm not saying his results and stats deserved more minutes, but he thinks that it's not the right school for him. www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/kahlil-whitney-1/gamelog/2020
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