Elvado
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Post by Elvado on Nov 10, 2017 6:28:08 GMT -5
So is this a case where the law was properly on the books to prevent this miscreant from purchasing a weapon and some government functionary screwed up and failed to report his status? It appears that may be the case. However, I'd never reduce a member of the military service (whether officer or enlisted) to the pejorative of a mere "government functionary." (I can only assume you've never worn the uniform of this country or put anything at risk for your country -- nice on a day before Veterans Day). As in any organization, there are screw ups. Thank you for you sanctimony. While I have never worn the uniform, I come from a military family and have nothing but respect for the military and law enforcement. I was referring to the civilian clerk who likely messed this up. That said, your outrage is appreciated.
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Post by SSHoya on Nov 10, 2017 6:34:22 GMT -5
It appears that may be the case. However, I'd never reduce a member of the military service (whether officer or enlisted) to the pejorative of a mere "government functionary." (I can only assume you've never worn the uniform of this country or put anything at risk for your country -- nice on a day before Veterans Day). As in any organization, there are screw ups. Thank you for you sanctimony. While I have never worn the uniform, I come from a military family and have nothing but respect for the military and law enforcement. I was referring to the civilian clerk who likely messed this up. That said, your outrage is appreciated. You're welcome. And for whatever reason, I respect even civilian clerks who work in and for the armed services. But I guess that's just me.
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Elvado
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Post by Elvado on Nov 10, 2017 6:39:32 GMT -5
So your big issue is the use of the term functionary?
How about “some lovely well-intentioned person” screwed up? Does that change the fact that the law was plenty and the execution thereof lacking?
Sorry to have Tap danced on your sensibilities.
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Post by SSHoya on Nov 10, 2017 6:50:43 GMT -5
So your big issue is the use of the term functionary? How about “some lovely well-intentioned person” screwed up? Does that change the fact that the law was plenty and the execution thereof lacking? Sorry to have Tap danced on your sensibilities. No it doesn't change that as I said in my original response. I simply don't like the continued denigration of all things governmental. That is the hallmark of this particular administration led by the fake tough guy. At least he's finally getting his chance to go to Vietnam. I don't suppose you saw the edit to my original response? I'm actually on the more "conservative" side of the issue when it comes to the Second Amendment as I discussed with a certain poster when he made unwarranted assumptions about my political beliefs.
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Post by Elvado on Nov 10, 2017 6:56:12 GMT -5
So your big issue is the use of the term functionary? How about “some lovely well-intentioned person” screwed up? Does that change the fact that the law was plenty and the execution thereof lacking? Sorry to have Tap danced on your sensibilities. No it doesn't change that as I said in my original response. I simply don't like the continued denigration of all things governmental. That is the hallmark of this particular administration led by the fake tough guy. At least he's finally getting his chance to go to Vietnam. I don't suppose you saw the edit to my original response? I'm actually on the more "conservative" side of the issue when it comes to the Second Amendment as I discussed with a certain poster when he made unwarranted assumptions about my political beliefs. I get and respect your position. Mine is that his was not a failure of law but one of execution.
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Post by SSHoya on Nov 10, 2017 7:16:41 GMT -5
No it doesn't change that as I said in my original response. I simply don't like the continued denigration of all things governmental. That is the hallmark of this particular administration led by the fake tough guy. At least he's finally getting his chance to go to Vietnam. I don't suppose you saw the edit to my original response? I'm actually on the more "conservative" side of the issue when it comes to the Second Amendment as I discussed with a certain poster when he made unwarranted assumptions about my political beliefs. I get and respect your position. Mine is that his was not a failure of law but one of execution. Agreed. That was the point of my original discussion of the court-martial system. Most of the news media (with some exceptions) got it wrong to the point of not even recognizing that a guilty finding at a court-martial is a federal conviction. I even heard one ignorant pundit say that the shooter had no criminal record but was discharged from the military for "bad conduct."
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Post by Elvado on Nov 10, 2017 7:22:44 GMT -5
I get and respect your position. Mine is that his was not a failure of law but one of execution. Agreed. That was the point of my original discussion of the court-martial system. Most of the news media (with some exceptions) got it wrong to the point of not even recognizing that a guilty finding at a court-martial is a federal conviction. I even heard one ignorant pundit say that the shooter had no criminal record but was discharged from the military for "bad conduct." Then we essentially agree and I apologize if my use of functionary was offensive.
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