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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2017 12:00:59 GMT -5
"hang a giant No Vacancy sign on the Statue of Liberty"
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That's absurd.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2017 12:17:12 GMT -5
The guy applied for a lottery, hoped he would get chosen, went through a pretty robust and rigorous vetting process, lived here for seven years, then rented a truck and ran over a bunch of people, purportedly in the name of ISIS.
Seems pretty inefficient. Oh, and when he arrived in this country via the lottery seven years ago, ISIS didn't even exist.
But yeah, the lottery is the problem.
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Post by SSHoya on Nov 1, 2017 13:05:01 GMT -5
The guy applied for a lottery, hoped he would get chosen, went through a pretty robust and rigorous vetting process, lived here for seven years, then rented a truck and ran over a bunch of people, purportedly in the name of ISIS. Seems pretty inefficient. Oh, and when he arrived in this country via the lottery seven years ago, ISIS didn't even exist. But yeah, the lottery is the problem. The lottery itself is not the problem but it does enable Trump to engage in "security theater" and rile up his base. As Trump knows, never let the facts get in the way of a "good" tweet. Comprehensive immigration reform in 2013 would have ended the diversity visa and increased merit based visas. Boehner spiked it. So maybe Trump's tweet is misdirected @johnboehner? (Did anyone else hear Trump try to pronounce "diversity"? He sounded drunk, except we know he doesn't drink). “Actually, the Gang of 8, including @senschumer, did away with the Diversity Visa Program as part of broader reforms. I know, I was there,” Flake tweeted, responding to Trump on Wednesday. “In fact, had the Senate Gang of 8 bill passed the House, it would have ended the Visa Lottery Program AND increased merit based visas.” www.washingtonexaminer.com/jeff-flake-defends-chuck-schumer-gang-of-eight-immigration-bill-ended-diversity-visa-program/article/2639230thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/358168-flake-fact-checks-trump-schumer-did-away-with-diversity-visaThe Gang of Eight bill would essentially revamp every corner of U.S. immigration law, establishing a 13-year pathway to citizenship for millions of undocumented immigrants, with several security benchmarks that have to be met before they can obtain a green card. The measure would not only increases security along the border, but requires a mandatory workplace verification system for employers, trying to ensure no jobs are given to immigrants who are not authorized to work in the United States. www.politico.com/story/2013/06/immigration-bill-2013-senate-passes-093530WSJ Editorial: Law enforcement continues to investigate Tuesday’s terror attack in which a 29-year-old from Uzbekistan used a truck to murder eight pedestrians in lower Manhattan. So it’s unfortunate and counterproductive that President Trump’s first instinct has been to politicize the tragedy by blaming—what else?—immigration.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Nov 1, 2017 13:42:09 GMT -5
The entire premise of the trump campaign was about building systems and physical walls to keep others out. And, without exception, these others are brown people. You support him (and you certainly do) then you are supporting his racist policies. There is no getting around this. So you say. Let me be absolutely clear. The time has come to hang a giant “No Vacancy” sign on the Statue of Liberty. That goes for white, black, yellow, brown, red and plaid. Why is that exactly? Why should we no longer accept legal immigrants into the country? That seems to be what you're espousing that America is full and no more people should be allowed into the country. Should we also stop tourist visas? Want to go to complete American isolationism? What will the benefits be of stopping legal immigration be?
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Post by Elvado on Nov 1, 2017 13:44:37 GMT -5
So you say. Let me be absolutely clear. The time has come to hang a giant “No Vacancy” sign on the Statue of Liberty. That goes for white, black, yellow, brown, red and plaid. Why is that exactly? Why should we no longer accept legal immigrants into the country? That seems to be what you're espousing that America is full and no more people should be allowed into the country. Should we also stop tourist visas? Want to go to complete American isolationism? What will the benefits be of stopping legal immigration be? Hyperbole lost?
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Nov 1, 2017 15:00:06 GMT -5
Why is that exactly? Why should we no longer accept legal immigrants into the country? That seems to be what you're espousing that America is full and no more people should be allowed into the country. Should we also stop tourist visas? Want to go to complete American isolationism? What will the benefits be of stopping legal immigration be? Hyperbole lost? I'm confused were you not advocating for stopping immigration? I was just trying to have a rational discussion of what you see the benefits of such a move would be. These days you can never tell.
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Post by Elvado on Nov 1, 2017 15:47:36 GMT -5
I'm confused were you not advocating for stopping immigration? I was just trying to have a rational discussion of what you see the benefits of such a move would be. These days you can never tell. I very inartfully used hyperbolic language. As the descendants of immigrants, I have no issue with legal immigration in general. Some of the programs currently in place leave much to be desired.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2017 18:10:11 GMT -5
Nope. Twenty plus people getting savagely murdered while at church is the price of freedom, apparently. Thoughts and prayers only, please.
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Post by tashoya on Nov 5, 2017 18:34:40 GMT -5
Every time something like this happens, I'm reminded of President Obama's speech after the Oregon shooting. He was, and continues to be, correct. It's becoming commonplace and we're becoming more numb with every incident. Something needs to change and change drastically because our prayers and condolences are not enough and never will be.
Just in case anyone, somehow, missed it and because not a thing has changed:
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Post by hoya9797 on Nov 6, 2017 7:45:11 GMT -5
Hey NRA, you know what would also have saved a lot of lives (26 to be exact)? Neither guy having a gun. I don't know how we got to the point that preserving the right to have guns trumps everything else but it's got to stop. The gun culture in the country must change and we need to start now. It won't be perfect and it will take a long time but we need to change and no better time to start than the present. Take some of the $700 B in pointless defense spending increases and allocate it to a guy buyback program. Then, make getting a new gun impossible and, over time, we'll have a lot fewer guns in circulation. It's the only sensible path forward.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2017 9:28:48 GMT -5
Don't worry! The Republican Congress is going to make sure that all Americans have easy access to affordable mental health resources. I haven't read all of their repeal/replace bills, but I'm SURE it's been in every single version.
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Post by blueeagle on Nov 6, 2017 9:59:42 GMT -5
Let's make America great again by reverting back to the greatness of the wild, wild west and frontier days when everyone was armed. Who needs a "civilized" society with law enforcement? In the NRA and Trump's America, you are judge, jury, and executioner in your own residence (and likely beyond)!
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12-14 children were killed in Texas church shooting, sheriff says...
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Post by SSHoya on Nov 6, 2017 11:50:24 GMT -5
If shooter was convicted of domestic violence via court-martial he should have been precluded from purchasing a firearm. Did the nature of his offense not get reported accurately to NCIC? Also, if he actually was imprisoned for one year, he was convicted at a general court-martial. A special court-martial can only award max punishment of 6 months confinement, 6 months forfeiture of pay for 6 months, reduction in rank and a bad conduct discharge (colloquially known in the military justice community as "6, 6, and a kick." Enjoy your big chicken dinner). Also, a general court-martial is considered the equivalent of a felony conviction. Perhaps that status alone should have barred him from purchasing a firearm. Only GCMs can award a dishonorable discharge. Most news reports apparently do not understand the distinction between a BCD and a DD (aka "duck dinner"). I even heard one ignorant reporter say that he did not have a criminal record but was discharged from the Air Force for bad conduct. www.justice.gov/usam/criminal-resource-manual-1117-restrictions-possession-firearms-individuals-convictedwww.justice.gov/sites/default/files/usao-ut/legacy/2013/06/03/guncard.pdf
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2017 10:49:41 GMT -5
Breaking: Michigan Senate Passes bill to ALLOW Guns in Schools, Churches and Other Gun Free Zones #Fox2
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Post by Elvado on Nov 10, 2017 5:46:48 GMT -5
If shooter was convicted of domestic violence via court-martial he should have been precluded from purchasing a firearm. Did the nature of his offense not get reported accurately to NCIC? Also, if he actually was imprisoned for one year, he was convicted at a general court-martial. A special court-martial can only award max punishment of 6 months confinement, 6 months forfeiture of pay for 6 months, reduction in rank and a bad conduct discharge (colloquially known in the military justice community as "6, 6, and a kick." Enjoy your big chicken dinner). Also, a general court-martial is considered the equivalent of a felony conviction. Perhaps that status alone should have barred him from purchasing a firearm. Only GCMs can award a dishonorable discharge. Most news reports apparently do not understand the distinction between a BCD and a DD (aka "duck dinner"). I even heard one ignorant reporter say that he did not have a criminal record but was discharged from the Air Force for bad conduct. www.justice.gov/usam/criminal-resource-manual-1117-restrictions-possession-firearms-individuals-convictedwww.justice.gov/sites/default/files/usao-ut/legacy/2013/06/03/guncard.pdfSo is this a case where the law was properly on the books to prevent this miscreant from purchasing a weapon and some government functionary screwed up and failed to report his status?
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Post by SSHoya on Nov 10, 2017 6:24:38 GMT -5
If shooter was convicted of domestic violence via court-martial he should have been precluded from purchasing a firearm. Did the nature of his offense not get reported accurately to NCIC? Also, if he actually was imprisoned for one year, he was convicted at a general court-martial. A special court-martial can only award max punishment of 6 months confinement, 6 months forfeiture of pay for 6 months, reduction in rank and a bad conduct discharge (colloquially known in the military justice community as "6, 6, and a kick." Enjoy your big chicken dinner). Also, a general court-martial is considered the equivalent of a felony conviction. Perhaps that status alone should have barred him from purchasing a firearm. Only GCMs can award a dishonorable discharge. Most news reports apparently do not understand the distinction between a BCD and a DD (aka "duck dinner"). I even heard one ignorant reporter say that he did not have a criminal record but was discharged from the Air Force for bad conduct. www.justice.gov/usam/criminal-resource-manual-1117-restrictions-possession-firearms-individuals-convictedwww.justice.gov/sites/default/files/usao-ut/legacy/2013/06/03/guncard.pdfSo is this a case where the law was properly on the books to prevent this miscreant from purchasing a weapon and some government functionary screwed up and failed to report his status? It appears that may be the case. However, I'd never reduce a member of the military service (whether officer or enlisted) to the pejorative of a mere "government functionary." (I can only assume you've never worn the uniform of this country or put anything at risk for your country -- nice on a day before Veterans Day). As in any organization, there are screw ups. And if you had paid attention to some of my earlier discussions months ago when a certain poster was making assumptions about my political beliefs I indicated I tended to be more "conservative" with respect to the Second Amendment.
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