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Post by SSHoya on Nov 13, 2017 9:16:16 GMT -5
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Post by SSHoya on Nov 13, 2017 9:24:15 GMT -5
Correct me if I am wrong. Didn't Trump say he believed that Putin believed the Russians did not interfere in the election? That is completely different from saying he, himself, did not believe the Russians interfered. And didn't the MSM misquote or misinterpret what he said? Trump called leaders of the US intelligence community "political hacks", while squirming around this tortured language related to what he thinks Putin believes. But, yeah, the media is the problem here. Yes, quoting exactly what he said is a misquote. Look at the timing of his statements. His second statement was likely issued because Kelly/Pompeo probably told him he had to clean it up. Here's his hedge: “As currently led by fine people, I believe very much in our intelligence agencies,” Trump said in Hanoi. Asked again about Putin later, Trump tried to parse his remarks. “What I said is that I believe [Putin] believes that,” Trump said during a news conference with Vietnam’s president. “As to whether I believe it or not, I’m with our [intelligence] agencies, especially as currently constituted.” Thus, he did not take back his slam on Brennan and Clapper. Pompeo also issued a factually incorrect statement that the USIC determined that the Russian interference did not affect the election -- the USIC did no such thing and the PAO at CIA had to clean it up in a subsequent statement. www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/cia-director-distorts-intelligence-communitys-findings-on-russian-interference/2017/10/19/d7f8e05e-b4ed-11e7-9e58-e6288544af98_story.html?utm_term=.d8abe3c7f248Imagine this, an American President attacking the USIC while on foreign soil and cozying up to authoritarian dictators like Putin and Duterte. Unprecedented. Compare to the crazed right wingers who went nuts on Obama's so-called "apology tour." Hypocrites of the highest order.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2017 11:48:06 GMT -5
How to find a smoking gun in the Russia investigation politi.co/2hutAAs Matt Tait a former GCHQ agent responded to this post on social media with this: ___
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Post by SSHoya on Nov 13, 2017 16:54:33 GMT -5
Un Editeding believable. Trump Jr. in correspondence with Wikileaks which has been described by Trump's CIA Director Pompeo as a hostile nonstate intelligence service. It is also a front for the Russians. The correspondence continued through July 2017! Just before the stroke of midnight on September 20, 2016, at the height of last year’s presidential election, the Wikileaks Twitter account sent a private direct message to Donald Trump Jr., the Republican nominee’s oldest son and campaign surrogate. “A PAC run anti-Trump site putintrump.org is about to launch,” Wikileaks wrote. “The PAC is a recycled pro-Iraq war PAC. We have guessed the password. It is ‘putintrump.’ See ‘About’ for who is behind it. Any comments?” (The site, which has since become a joint project with Mother Jones, was founded by Rob Glaser, a tech entrepreneur, and was funded by Progress for USA Political Action Committee.) The next morning, about 12 hours later, Trump Jr. responded to Wikileaks. “Off the record I don’t know who that is, but I’ll ask around,” he wrote on September 21, 2016. “Thanks.” www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/11/the-secret-correspondence-between-donald-trump-jr-and-wikileaks/545738/
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2017 19:08:02 GMT -5
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Post by hoyarooter on Nov 13, 2017 21:21:28 GMT -5
From all reports, Trump (aka Putin's Puppet) had a good meeting with his handler Putin, received his propaganda talking points, and repeated them to the assembled White House press corps. Congrats, treasonous spineless Republicans. "He did not do what they are saying he did." "They" being the USIC. If "they" are the USIC, who is "we" in Trump world --- the RIS? Notwithstanding Trump's attempt to walk back a bit his statement, the damage is already done since it sows confusion and ambiguity with respect to the US position on Russia. Trump apologists/enablers/supporters, congrats on supporting one of the most successful Russian covert intelligence operations targeting the United States. (Give Romney his due --- he was correct in the 2012 Presidential campaign when he observed that Russia was the greatest geopolitical threat in the future during the debates, which Obama dismissed with the comment that "The 1980s called and wants its foreign policy back." However, both Bush (who looked into Putin's eyes) and even Obama (with his "more flexibility" after the election comment) eventually realized that they were wrong -- it is apparent that Trump never will because he is never wrong and only he can fix it -- whatever "it" is). I understand that Putin really enjoyed the head he received from Trump during their meeting.
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Post by SSHoya on Nov 14, 2017 8:18:56 GMT -5
VP Pence = Sergeant Shultz: "I see nothing, I hear nothing, I know nothing." The "VP in a Bubble." Every single utterance about Russian connections with the Trump campaign/administration has been wrong. Or he is simply lying which would comport with the behavior of all the others associated with Trump when it comes to Russia. www.politico.com/story/2017/11/13/pence-trump-wikileaks-russia-244863Trump Jr. getting closer and closer to a potential 18 USC Section 371 conspiracy charge in conjunction with violation of soliciting or accepting a contribution, donation, or other thing of value in connection with a US election. Not only the June 2016 meeting but now the Wikileaks communications. www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/52/30121www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/371Not a surprise -- when the current WH Counsel Don McGahn was an FEC Commissioner, he sought to limit FEC enforcement procedures. The dispute led to the departure of FEC General Counsel Anthony Herman in July of 2013. Two new FEC commissioners, Democrat Ann Ravel and Republican Lee Goodman, arrived later that year. Ravel filled a vacant seat, while Goodman replaced Donald McGahn, the commissioner who was most outspoken in calling for new limits on FEC enforcement procedures. www.bna.com/fec-rarely-votes-n17179934048/
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Post by EasyEd on Nov 14, 2017 19:33:23 GMT -5
Trump called leaders of the US intelligence community "political hacks", while squirming around this tortured language related to what he thinks Putin believes. But, yeah, the media is the problem here. Yes, "political hacks: Lieutenant General James Clapper. Of course, I'd believe Don "Bone Spurs" Trump over this guy. The Honorable James R. Clapper, Jr. served as the Director of National Intelligence at Office of the Director of National Intelligence from August 9, 2010 to January 20, 2017. As DNI, The Honorable Clapper leads the United States Intelligence Community and serves as the Principal Intelligence Advisor to the President. He retired in 1995 after a distinguished career in the U.S. Armed Forces. His career began as a rifleman in the U.S. Marine Corps Reserve and culminated as a Lieutenant General in the U.S. Air Force and Director of the Defense Intelligence Agency. His intelligence-related positions over his 32 years in uniform included Assistant Chief of Staff for Intelligence at U.S. Air Force Headquarters during Operations Desert Shield/Desert Storm and Director of Intelligence for three war-fighting commands: U.S. Forces Korea, Pacific Command and Strategic Air Command. Of note, he also served two combat tours during the Southeast Asia conflict and flew 73 combat support missions in EC-47s over Laos and Cambodia. Directly following his retirement, he worked in industry for six years as an executive in three successive companies with his business focus being the Intelligence Community. He also served as a Consultant and Advisor to Congress and to the Departments of Defense and Energy and as a Member of a wide variety of government panels, boards, commissions and advisory groups. He was a Member of the Downing Assessment Task Force that investigated the Khobar Towers bombing in 1996 and served as Vice Chairman of a commission chaired by former Governor Jim Gilmore of Virginia on the subject of homeland security. He returned to the government in September 2001 as the First Civilian Director of the National Imagery and Mapping Agency (NIMA). He served as Director of National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency (NGA). Prior to becoming the Director of National Intelligence, he served for over three years in two Administrations as the Under Secretary of Defense for Intelligence, where he served as the Principal Staff Assistant and Advisor to the Secretary and Deputy Secretary of Defense on intelligence, counterintelligence and security matters for the Department. He was also dual-hatted as the Director of Defense Intelligence for DNI. He served as a Director of GeoEye, Inc. from October 10, 2006 to April 13, 2007. His awards include three National Intelligence Distinguished Service Medals, two Defense Distinguished Service Medals, the Air Force Distinguished Service Medal, the Coast Guard’s Distinguished Public Service Award, the Department of Defense Distinguished Civilian Service Award and a host of other U.S. military and foreign government awards and decorations. He was named as one of the Top 100 Information Technology Executives by Federal Computer Week in 2001 and has been singled out by the NAACP in the form of its National Distinguished Service Award and has been awarded the Presidentially-conferred National Security Medal. The Honorable Clapper earned a Bachelor’s Degree in Government and Politics from the University of Maryland, a Master’s degree in Political Science from St. Mary’s University, San Antonio, Texas and an Honorary Doctorate in Strategic Intelligence from the then Joint Military Intelligence College. Absent from your Clapper resume was his lying to Congress when he denied NSA collected "any type of data" on millions of Americans.
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Post by EasyEd on Nov 14, 2017 19:36:55 GMT -5
And, oh by the way, Brennan lied to the American people when he stated the CIA did not access Senate staff members' computers when the members were investigating the CIA role in torturing detainees.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2017 8:42:20 GMT -5
"Hey everyone, here are some times that OTHER people have lied!"
Donald Trump lies literally EVERY SINGLE DAY. Why are you so adamant about holding the President to a lower standard than everyone else?
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Post by EasyEd on Nov 15, 2017 9:12:53 GMT -5
"Hey everyone, here are some times that OTHER people have lied!" Donald Trump lies literally EVERY SINGLE DAY. Why are you so adamant about holding the President to a lower standard than everyone else? I am holding President Trump, Clapper, and Brennan to the same standard. They are all liars. We have post after post telling us of all the lies Trump made, while we get glowing resumes of Clapper and Brennan. I just thought I would remind everybody that Clapper and Brennan intentionally deceived the American people about how deeply the intelligence community was involved in the lives of Americans and Senate staffers. In no way am I excusing Trumps lies.
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Post by TC on Nov 15, 2017 10:04:22 GMT -5
"Hey everyone, here are some times that OTHER people have lied!" Donald Trump lies literally EVERY SINGLE DAY. Why are you so adamant about holding the President to a lower standard than everyone else? I am holding President Trump, Clapper, and Brennan to the same standard. They are all liars. We have post after post telling us of all the lies Trump made, while we get glowing resumes of Clapper and Brennan. I just thought I would remind everybody that Clapper and Brennan intentionally deceived the American people about how deeply the intelligence community was involved in the lives of Americans and Senate staffers. In no way am I excusing Trumps lies. Actually, that's exactly what you're doing - and the funny thing is that you complain about "shoot the messenger" almost every week. Someone posts that Trump tries to dismiss what Clapper says, the only thing you mention is that Clapper lied about something completely unrelated 5 years ago, without posting source or context. And that, Brennan lied about something without posting source or context. The message here is that we shouldn't believe the statements Clapper or Brennan make about Trump or Russia. The only reason to bring this stuff up is to muddy the waters and excuse Trump.
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Post by blueeagle on Nov 15, 2017 10:13:02 GMT -5
But you are diverting and absolving the president's culpability by equating his lies to everyone else's lies and misrepresentations. Your are equating his flawed character to everyone else's shortcomings. Trump, Roy Moore, Jeff Sessions, Paul Manafort, Jared Kushner, Carter Page, etc. are all within the norm because, you know, Hillary!
If everyone lies, then no one is at fault. Nobody can assert moral or any other type of authority in this case. We then devolve into a culture where I alone can pick and choose policies and positions that appeal to my own value system because all institutions are corrupt, especially the government and the media. I will not listen to other points of view or consensus statements because I cannot trust anything that is counter to my beliefs and convictions. Climate change - balderdash! Sexual impropriety towards a minor - Lewinski! Russian collusion - fake news!
Historically, we have relied on our leaders to provide guidance and stewardship. They set the tone on how society has responded to crises and challenges. These men and women were never perfect. But we always expected and demanded more from them.
Let's expect more from Trump. We deserve more from Trump.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2017 10:31:49 GMT -5
Trump has told 1,628 lies or misleading statements since taking office, an average of 5.5 lies a day..... The guy is Pathological
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Post by EasyEd on Nov 15, 2017 12:50:48 GMT -5
I am holding President Trump, Clapper, and Brennan to the same standard. They are all liars. We have post after post telling us of all the lies Trump made, while we get glowing resumes of Clapper and Brennan. I just thought I would remind everybody that Clapper and Brennan intentionally deceived the American people about how deeply the intelligence community was involved in the lives of Americans and Senate staffers. In no way am I excusing Trumps lies. Actually, that's exactly what you're doing - and the funny thing is that you complain about "shoot the messenger" almost every week. Someone posts that Trump tries to dismiss what Clapper says, the only thing you mention is that Clapper lied about something completely unrelated 5 years ago, without posting source or context. And that, Brennan lied about something without posting source or context. The message here is that we shouldn't believe the statements Clapper or Brennan make about Trump or Russia. The only reason to bring this stuff up is to muddy the waters and excuse Trump. I'm so pleased you can read my mind.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2017 14:55:22 GMT -5
Actually, that's exactly what you're doing - and the funny thing is that you complain about "shoot the messenger" almost every week. Someone posts that Trump tries to dismiss what Clapper says, the only thing you mention is that Clapper lied about something completely unrelated 5 years ago, without posting source or context. And that, Brennan lied about something without posting source or context. The message here is that we shouldn't believe the statements Clapper or Brennan make about Trump or Russia. The only reason to bring this stuff up is to muddy the waters and excuse Trump. I'm so pleased you can read my mind. Happens a lot around here.
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Post by SSHoya on Nov 15, 2017 15:01:22 GMT -5
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Post by hoyarooter on Nov 15, 2017 21:31:26 GMT -5
Trump has told 1,628 lies or misleading statements since taking office, an average of 5.5 lies a day..... The guy is Pathological That number sounds way low to me. Where did you get it? Must have come from Sean Hannity.
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Post by SSHoya on Nov 15, 2017 21:57:38 GMT -5
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Post by SSHoya on Nov 16, 2017 17:03:43 GMT -5
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