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Post by tashoya on Oct 6, 2019 20:35:32 GMT -5
Stripper poles and fake cash. Colleges just don’t care to pretend anymore that they care about educating students. It’s all about generating revenue through football and basketball. Throw fake cash at the girl on the stripper pole and you will get educated right quickly. This is even more true than it is funny.
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Post by EtomicB on Oct 8, 2019 8:26:41 GMT -5
It’s always funny when the folks making millions of dollars talk about making sure the “playing field” is level for everyone...
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Oct 8, 2019 9:08:06 GMT -5
It’s always funny when the folks making millions of dollars talk about making sure the “playing field” is level for everyone... Coach Few should have followed his own advice to Governor Newsome and stay in his own lane and not answer the question at all. While he made some valid points about how much better (way way better) college athletes have it today then a decade ago, the multi millionaire that he is comes across very ignorant, pompous & arrogant with out offering any possible solutions...
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Post by blueandgray on Oct 8, 2019 9:40:44 GMT -5
No one who makes a lot of money should have any kind of voice I suppose.
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Post by seaweed on Oct 8, 2019 9:50:11 GMT -5
No one who makes a lot of money should have any kind of voice I suppose. Worth giving it a shot - the alternative hasn't worked well yet
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Post by njhoya78 on Oct 8, 2019 9:54:11 GMT -5
From Ira Berkow's obituary on the passing of Al McGuire in January 2001:
"In February 1972, Marquette was ranked second in the nation, undefeated in 22 games. Its best player was Jim Chones, a 6-foot-10 center. Chones, the oldest of six raised by their widowed mother, was offered $1.8 million by the New York Nets of the American Basketball Association. College coaches feared pro teams enticing their players. ''I looked into my refrigerator and I looked into Jimmy's,'' McGuire recalled, ''and I said, 'Jimmy, take the money.' ''
Mark Few comes across as tone-deaf here, especially in view of McGuire's perspective. It's easy for one to opine on whether others are entitled to make money if one already has made it big.
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Post by EtomicB on Oct 8, 2019 10:40:48 GMT -5
It’s always funny when the folks making millions of dollars talk about making sure the “playing field” is level for everyone... Coach Few should have followed his own advice to Governor Newsome and stay in his own lane and not answer the question at all. While he made some valid points about how much better (way way better) college athletes have it today then a decade ago, the multi millionaire that he is comes across very ignorant, pompous & arrogant with out offering any possible solutions... Exactly! Few sounded like a politician quoting ridiculous statements to help make his point but in the end, all he could say was "we have very smart people working on this" well they have 3 years to figure it out Coach Few, Smh... This is true but it has to be noted that the main driver of this change was Napier embarrassing the NCAA at the Final Four in 2014 when he told the country how he went to bed hungry many nights while away at school...
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Post by EtomicB on Oct 8, 2019 10:51:15 GMT -5
No one who makes a lot of money should have any kind of voice I suppose. I have zero issues with the wealthy having a voice but like everyone else they shouldn’t use it to spread BS... Do you really believe that folks who are in favor of more compensation are saying that “some kids only have one pair of socks”? I’d bet a nice chunk of change that the “schools making billions of dollars” was in reference to the tv revenue the ncaa generates but Few took it in a completely different direction to muddy the waters, it’s shameful in my view...
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Post by EtomicB on Oct 8, 2019 12:59:27 GMT -5
Here's a wealthy voice that doesn't feel the need to bring hyperbolic BS to the discussion at hand...
The middle part of the quote absolutely knocks it out of the park...
“I don’t – and won’t – pretend to understand all the complexities of such a change,” Coach K said in a statement that was released to the press at ACC media day. “However, it is a sign of the times that we in college athletics must continually adapt, albeit in a sensible manner.
“While we have made significant progress in recent years, we have not always responded to the needs and rights of our players swiftly, and frankly, we’re playing catchup after years of stagnant rules. I hope and trust that not only will there be a plan to put the student-athletes’ best interests at the forefront, but that we’ll also have a firm plan for implementation at the national level.
“College athletics provides an amazing option for hundreds of thousands of talented men and women who choose to attend institutions across the country. We must adapt to ensure it stays that way.”
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Oct 8, 2019 13:21:53 GMT -5
Coach Few should have followed his own advice to Governor Newsome and stay in his own lane and not answer the question at all. While he made some valid points about how much better (way way better) college athletes have it today then a decade ago, the multi millionaire that he is comes across very ignorant, pompous & arrogant with out offering any possible solutions... Exactly! Few sounded like a politician quoting ridiculous statements to help make his point but in the end, all he could say was "we have very smart people working on this" well they have 3 years to figure it out Coach Few, Smh... This is true but it has to be noted that the main driver of this change was Napier embarrassing the NCAA at the Final Four in 2014 when he told the country how he went to bed hungry many nights while away at school...The major changes started way before Napier said a word. More pell Grant money, better nutrition & health care access, stipends etc were all available before Napier said a word. I surmise that Napier massively embellished his story and there was probably some irresponsibility/mismanagement of time & resources on his part leading to his situation. The one change that could be tied to Napier, is athletic programs providing 24 hour access to food within their athletic team meeting rooms/areas...
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Oct 8, 2019 13:30:36 GMT -5
Exactly! Few sounded like a politician quoting ridiculous statements to help make his point but in the end, all he could say was "we have very smart people working on this" well they have 3 years to figure it out Coach Few, Smh... This is true but it has to be noted that the main driver of this change was Napier embarrassing the NCAA at the Final Four in 2014 when he told the country how he went to bed hungry many nights while away at school...The major changes started way before Napier said a word. More pell Grant money, better nutrition & health care access, stipends etc were all available before Napier said a word. I surmise that Napier massively embellished his story and there was probably some irresponsibility/mismanagement of time & resources on his part leading to his situation. The one change that could be tied to Napier, is athletic programs providing 24 hour access to food within their athletic team meeting rooms/areas... Yeah I never got the napier story. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I assume as a part of the athletic scholarship players are given a meal plan to the cafeteria or at the very least it is given to them as an option vs given a lump sum of money), that should provide them with 3 meals a day every day of the week. Am I missing something?
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Post by EtomicB on Oct 8, 2019 13:37:43 GMT -5
Exactly! Few sounded like a politician quoting ridiculous statements to help make his point but in the end, all he could say was "we have very smart people working on this" well they have 3 years to figure it out Coach Few, Smh... This is true but it has to be noted that the main driver of this change was Napier embarrassing the NCAA at the Final Four in 2014 when he told the country how he went to bed hungry many nights while away at school...The major changes started way before Napier said a word. More pell Grant money, better nutrition & health care access, stipends etc were all available before Napier said a word. I surmise that Napier massively embellished his story and there was probably some irresponsibility/mismanagement of time & resources on his part leading to his situation. The one change that could be tied to Napier, is athletic programs providing 24 hour access to food within their athletic team meeting rooms/areas... I'm not sure what Pell Grants have to do with the NCAA, isn't the Pell Grant system run by the government? According to these articles, the NCAA started allowing stipends in 2015... money.cnn.com/2015/09/04/news/companies/extra-cash-college-athletes/index.htmlFor the first time, the NCAA this year is allowing schools to give cash stipends to cover the cost of things like late-night snacks, student fees, laundry money and movies.
Scholarships cover the core expenses of college such as tuition and room and board. The new stipends are supposed to close the gap between scholarship money and what it actually costs to attend school.www.kansascity.com/sports/college/article86062792.htmlA new era in college sports arrived for the 2015-16 school year in the form of full “cost of attendance,” a stipend paid over and above the benefits of a scholarship. The amount of the stipend varies by school, ranging from about $2,000 to $5,000 extra going to each full-scholarship athlete.
The cash flow was born of good intentions and guilt. Athletic departments padded budgets mostly through hefty media rights contracts but without a means to funnel the largess to athletes.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Oct 8, 2019 13:56:23 GMT -5
The major changes started way before Napier said a word. More pell Grant money, better nutrition & health care access, stipends etc were all available before Napier said a word. I surmise that Napier massively embellished his story and there was probably some irresponsibility/mismanagement of time & resources on his part leading to his situation. The one change that could be tied to Napier, is athletic programs providing 24 hour access to food within their athletic team meeting rooms/areas... I'm not sure what Pell Grants have to do with the NCAA, isn't the Pell Grant system run by the government? According to these articles, the NCAA started allowing stipends in 2015... money.cnn.com/2015/09/04/news/companies/extra-cash-college-athletes/index.htmlFor the first time, the NCAA this year is allowing schools to give cash stipends to cover the cost of things like late-night snacks, student fees, laundry money and movies.
Scholarships cover the core expenses of college such as tuition and room and board. The new stipends are supposed to close the gap between scholarship money and what it actually costs to attend school.www.kansascity.com/sports/college/article86062792.htmlA new era in college sports arrived for the 2015-16 school year in the form of full “cost of attendance,” a stipend paid over and above the benefits of a scholarship. The amount of the stipend varies by school, ranging from about $2,000 to $5,000 extra going to each full-scholarship athlete.
The cash flow was born of good intentions and guilt. Athletic departments padded budgets mostly through hefty media rights contracts but without a means to funnel the largess to athletes. Yes Pell grants are awarded by the government but up until the early 2000's schools could take a students Pell money and apply it to the cost of their scholarships. Example, if the scholarship monetary worth is $50,000 and the student is awarded $5,000 in pell, the school would apply the Pell money and then award scholarship money to cover the difference leaving the students with zero money in pocket from Pell. Since the change in the rules across all D1 programs, students athletes on scholarship get to keep 100% of the their Pell Grant money. The overall NCAA rule regarding stipends was officially changed, but individual conferences i.e power 6 and other national programs started giving stipends before that. I would guess it was somewhere around 2010 that athletic programs could choose to give the stipend. The NCAA made it mandatory to try and even up the playing field with mid major conferences.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Oct 8, 2019 14:04:41 GMT -5
The major changes started way before Napier said a word. More pell Grant money, better nutrition & health care access, stipends etc were all available before Napier said a word. I surmise that Napier massively embellished his story and there was probably some irresponsibility/mismanagement of time & resources on his part leading to his situation. The one change that could be tied to Napier, is athletic programs providing 24 hour access to food within their athletic team meeting rooms/areas... Yeah I never got the napier story. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I assume as a part of the athletic scholarship players are given a meal plan to the cafeteria or at the very least it is given to them as an option vs given a lump sum of money), that should provide them with 3 meals a day every day of the week. Am I missing something? No your correct, a full meal plan is awarded and if he lived off campus, he was given a lump sum of money to cover the cost of meals. I'm not saying that there wasn't nights that Napier didn't go to bed hungry, but there is definitely more to the story then it was the NCAA's fault. At the end of the day it doesn't matter because he was able to embarrass them into doing more, and in that situation of improving student athletes lives, it was a good thing...
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Post by EtomicB on Oct 8, 2019 14:22:32 GMT -5
I'm not sure what Pell Grants have to do with the NCAA, isn't the Pell Grant system run by the government? According to these articles, the NCAA started allowing stipends in 2015... money.cnn.com/2015/09/04/news/companies/extra-cash-college-athletes/index.htmlFor the first time, the NCAA this year is allowing schools to give cash stipends to cover the cost of things like late-night snacks, student fees, laundry money and movies.
Scholarships cover the core expenses of college such as tuition and room and board. The new stipends are supposed to close the gap between scholarship money and what it actually costs to attend school.www.kansascity.com/sports/college/article86062792.htmlA new era in college sports arrived for the 2015-16 school year in the form of full “cost of attendance,” a stipend paid over and above the benefits of a scholarship. The amount of the stipend varies by school, ranging from about $2,000 to $5,000 extra going to each full-scholarship athlete.
The cash flow was born of good intentions and guilt. Athletic departments padded budgets mostly through hefty media rights contracts but without a means to funnel the largess to athletes. Yes Pell grants are awarded by the government but up until the early 2000's schools could take a students Pell money and apply it to the cost of their scholarships. Example, if the scholarship monetary worth is $50,000 and the student is awarded $5,000 in pell, the school would apply the Pell money and then award scholarship money to cover the difference leaving the students with zero money in pocket from Pell. Since the change in the rules across all D1 programs, students athletes on scholarship get to keep 100% of the their Pell Grant money. The overall NCAA rule regarding stipends was officially changed, but individual conferences i.e power 6 and other national programs started giving stipends before that. I would guess it was somewhere around 2010 that athletic programs could choose to give the stipend. The NCAA made it mandatory to try and even up the playing field with mid major conferences. I'm glad to hear that this process has been eliminated but it's nothing for the NCAA to tout, they were taking government funds from poor players to offset their costs, that's pure greed at its worst...
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Oct 8, 2019 14:53:56 GMT -5
Yes Pell grants are awarded by the government but up until the early 2000's schools could take a students Pell money and apply it to the cost of their scholarships. Example, if the scholarship monetary worth is $50,000 and the student is awarded $5,000 in pell, the school would apply the Pell money and then award scholarship money to cover the difference leaving the students with zero money in pocket from Pell. Since the change in the rules across all D1 programs, students athletes on scholarship get to keep 100% of the their Pell Grant money. The overall NCAA rule regarding stipends was officially changed, but individual conferences i.e power 6 and other national programs started giving stipends before that. I would guess it was somewhere around 2010 that athletic programs could choose to give the stipend. The NCAA made it mandatory to try and even up the playing field with mid major conferences. I'm glad to hear that this process has been eliminated but it's nothing for the NCAA to tout, they were taking government funds from poor players to offset their costs, that's pure greed at its worst... Agreed! It was a shame and that's why I say a lot has improved in the last 15 years buy the NCAA still has A VERY VERY VERY LONG WAY TO GO. That's why I like what California is doing because it moves the conversation and actions forward...
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Post by Elvado on Oct 8, 2019 15:13:44 GMT -5
Here's a wealthy voice that doesn't feel the need to bring hyperbolic BS to the discussion at hand... The middle part of the quote absolutely knocks it out of the park... “I don’t – and won’t – pretend to understand all the complexities of such a change,” Coach K said in a statement that was released to the press at ACC media day. “However, it is a sign of the times that we in college athletics must continually adapt, albeit in a sensible manner.
“While we have made significant progress in recent years, we have not always responded to the needs and rights of our players swiftly, and frankly, we’re playing catchup after years of stagnant rules. I hope and trust that not only will there be a plan to put the student-athletes’ best interests at the forefront, but that we’ll also have a firm plan for implementation at the national level.
“College athletics provides an amazing option for hundreds of thousands of talented men and women who choose to attend institutions across the country. We must adapt to ensure it stays that way.”Left unsaid by Count Chocula is that his kids are doing just fine with cash, booster supplied homes and booster supplied jobs for parents... He is a hypocrite of the first order. Few may be tone deaf but he is not nearly the fraud Count Chocula is.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2019 15:14:18 GMT -5
I take Napier at his word. No reason to believe he was lying or had any reason to lie imo.
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Post by EtomicB on Oct 8, 2019 17:06:18 GMT -5
Here's a wealthy voice that doesn't feel the need to bring hyperbolic BS to the discussion at hand... The middle part of the quote absolutely knocks it out of the park... “I don’t – and won’t – pretend to understand all the complexities of such a change,” Coach K said in a statement that was released to the press at ACC media day. “However, it is a sign of the times that we in college athletics must continually adapt, albeit in a sensible manner.
“While we have made significant progress in recent years, we have not always responded to the needs and rights of our players swiftly, and frankly, we’re playing catchup after years of stagnant rules. I hope and trust that not only will there be a plan to put the student-athletes’ best interests at the forefront, but that we’ll also have a firm plan for implementation at the national level.
“College athletics provides an amazing option for hundreds of thousands of talented men and women who choose to attend institutions across the country. We must adapt to ensure it stays that way.”Left unsaid by Count Chocula is that his kids are doing just fine with cash, booster supplied homes and booster supplied jobs for parents... He is a hypocrite of the first order. Few may be tone deaf but he is not nearly the fraud Count Chocula is. In this instance, he'd be a hypocrite if his stance were similar to Fews but his comments today show that they couldn't be further apart...
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Oct 8, 2019 18:55:16 GMT -5
I take Napier at his word. No reason to believe he was lying or had any reason to lie imo. I don't think he lied. I think he omitted some of the entire story. At that age, young people can deflect blame or not accept their part of their responsibility. I know I did from time to time..
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