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Post by professorhoya on Mar 8, 2019 18:02:44 GMT -5
It doesn't take a genius to deduce that Waters and/or other LSU players committments to LSU probably involved some sort of corrupt act. Waters decommitted from Gtown and committed to LSU so quickly. I mean their now suspended coach is on tape implying that this is not his first rodeo. I'm sure that there too many coaches to count doing this. It's no secret. Plenty of NBA players have admitted to taking money or gifts years after the fact. IMO the player involved should be suspended too. Hell, take away the tourney from LSU. Some may say that's harsh since we have no way of knowing which specific player or players were also "persuaded" to play for LSU, but hey, the there were wrongdoings on every level in the program including players and coaches. Georgetown and many other programs around the country keep their noses clean and recruit the right way, and in some ways punished for it. Time for all these corrupt players and coaches to reap what they sow, at least until the system is fixed. I think it’s been obvious for a while. They aren’t really a basketball power and haven’t done much in the last 30 year and have had some no name coaches yet we’re pulling in 4-5 star recruits like Ben Simmons and others. Punching way above there weight.
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Post by hoyainla on Mar 8, 2019 18:17:38 GMT -5
I am very supportive of players being able to earn endorsement dollars. I much prefer this than any other artifical solution of paying players. Let the free market determine who is worthy of endorsement dollars. It is the way the world works outside the bubble of the NCAA. If you have a rare, unqiue skill set that people value you will be paid for it versus someone who does not. There is nothing immoral to allow players to collect money for signing autographs, earning royalty off of their own likeness (whether it is jerseys, video games), or doing a car commercial for the local car dealership. I have never understood the NCAA's issue with this, they are not being paid by the schools as an employee, so get over it. Also, it would eliminate all this haphazard and expensive "enforcement". This also fixes the issue with other non-revenue sports. Hey, if a womens softball player is able to earn a few bucks doing a promotion, go for it, but if the market does not value that talent, it is what it is. I really think 18-22 year olds can understand these basic economic principles. I'm not against some endorsement fix, but let's not be naïve about the "free market" deciding endorsement matters. You are just creating a straightforward way for boosters to pay for players directly and/or creating middlemen for agents to use. hm What's wrong with that? Lets end the charade.
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Post by HoyaDr on Mar 8, 2019 18:18:16 GMT -5
To be honest that team needs to be disqualified now from the NCAA tournament. (Not 3-5 years from now when nobody cares. I agree. Time to hit these programs hard when it hurts.
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 8, 2019 18:24:49 GMT -5
To be honest that team needs to be disqualified now from the NCAA tournament. (Not 3-5 years from now when nobody cares. I agree. Time to hit these programs hard when it hurts. Does any body care that all the Fab 4s final four achievements were vacated years later. Or that Pitinos Louisville really “didn’t win”the 2013 tournament? People still see them as the real champs. Erasing them for the record books doesn’t change that.
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Post by NCHoya on Mar 8, 2019 18:33:21 GMT -5
It doesn't take a genius to deduce that Waters and/or other LSU players committments to LSU probably involved some sort of corrupt act. Waters decommitted from Gtown and committed to LSU so quickly. I mean their now suspended coach is on tape implying that this is not his first rodeo. I'm sure that there too many coaches to count doing this. It's no secret. Plenty of NBA players have admitted to taking money or gifts years after the fact. IMO the player involved should be suspended too. Hell, take away the tourney from LSU. Some may say that's harsh since we have no way of knowing which specific player or players were also "persuaded" to play for LSU, but hey, the there were wrongdoings on every level in the program including players and coaches. Georgetown and many other programs around the country keep their noses clean and recruit the right way, and in some ways punished for it. Time for all these corrupt players and coaches to reap what they sow, at least until the system is fixed. Similar to my earlier post - the accusation you're making implies that Waters only became "corrupt" after he decommited from Georgetown - that Georgetown kept "their noses clean" and recruited Waters the "right way". I think it's an enormous leap of faith to think that Waters/his camp only could be corrupted after he decided not to atttend Georgetown. To me, he was either corrupt all along, or, more likely, he didn't get significant benefits to go to LSU. But the idea that he was lilly white clean until he ditched Georgetown is Pollyana homerism. I am not so sure how you can make such a definitive conclusion. Is it so far-fetched that a highly rated but small 5'11" PG was not garnering significant "offers" in the fall, so he chose academics (since his family insisted that was a priority to Tremont) over the mediocre "offers" he was getting? Now, after his release in the late spring, he became a very rare commodity. Waters was worth a lot more as a top player becoming available very late in the recruiting cycle. Compound that with his specific value to a newly hired head coach looking to make a good first impression on the new bosses at a not so "by the book" SEC school. So my theory is Waters was not seeking a big payout because I do not think it was available to him, but when it was, he jumped at that opportunity. I am not sure you need to be a homer to believe that.
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Post by jwp91 on Mar 8, 2019 18:47:10 GMT -5
To be honest that team needs to be disqualified now from the NCAA tournament. (Not 3-5 years from now when nobody cares. There is a question about whether any of the teams in the Yahoo article should be included in the tournament.
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Post by lda05816 on Mar 8, 2019 18:54:39 GMT -5
The head coaches have continued to coach but players have been ruled ineligible, that's ridiculous. If Will Wade were a player, he'd have been suspended (or sat out) immediately. If only everything I complained about was resolved this quickly....
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Post by LCPolo18 on Mar 8, 2019 19:58:35 GMT -5
It doesn't take a genius to deduce that Waters and/or other LSU players committments to LSU probably involved some sort of corrupt act. Waters decommitted from Gtown and committed to LSU so quickly. I mean their now suspended coach is on tape implying that this is not his first rodeo. I'm sure that there too many coaches to count doing this. It's no secret. Plenty of NBA players have admitted to taking money or gifts years after the fact. IMO the player involved should be suspended too. Hell, take away the tourney from LSU. Some may say that's harsh since we have no way of knowing which specific player or players were also "persuaded" to play for LSU, but hey, the there were wrongdoings on every level in the program including players and coaches. Georgetown and many other programs around the country keep their noses clean and recruit the right way, and in some ways punished for it. Time for all these corrupt players and coaches to reap what they sow, at least until the system is fixed. I think it’s been obvious for a while. They aren’t really a basketball power and haven’t done much in the last 30 year and have had some no name coaches yet we’re pulling in 4-5 star recruits like Ben Simmons and others. Punching way above there weight. This is only Wade’s second season at LSU (hired 2017). Simmons was there 2015-2016 so Wade wasn’t involved. Just be careful with your accusations since Kirby was there 2012-13 and 2016-17.
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Post by bornhoya on Mar 8, 2019 20:05:15 GMT -5
So LSU is the only dirty program out here
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Post by sleepy on Mar 8, 2019 22:00:52 GMT -5
Lol. You think schools still wouldn't be paying more than whatever "fair compensation" would amount to. Just let them go straight to the league to end this nonsense argument. The fact of the matter is monetary value you can put on the majority of individual college basketball players is quite low. And to be clear: which athletes deserve to be paid? Men's basketball and college football players? Their female equivalents? Other less popular male sports? For the same labour? Letting the kids go straight to the L doesn't end this problem. That just means dirty coaches will be bidding for 4* talent instead of 5*.....the tap caught Wade saying something like "I gave a good offer for the kid considering his rating"....this wasn't a bid for Zion.....Smart isn't 1nD..... If you think Adidas and Nike care where 4 and 3 star players go, you're fooling yourself. This differences between 4 star players is so low and harder to distinguish there would be less incentive even for boosters to invest as much. There would still be some cheating but the scale would be far lower because the stakes would be far lower.
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Post by jctnhoya4ever on Mar 8, 2019 22:33:55 GMT -5
With creighton being mentioned in the basketball scandal one of there assistant coaches is on leave.how will that effect creighton tomorrow?i think it will cause them not to be ready and DePaul will beat them.if they aren’t ready to go they will loose. We will see tomorrow.it don’t matter hoyas need to beat Marquette.where they want have to worry about Wednesday games. Go Hoyas.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2019 22:43:58 GMT -5
Unlikely Ewing would have retained Waters anyway given the tumultuous circumstances, but no surprise that LSU landed him in light of all this. I just assumed Tremont liked LSU’s OOC strength of schedule better ...
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Post by hoyas315 on Mar 8, 2019 22:46:30 GMT -5
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 8, 2019 23:21:48 GMT -5
Not surprising either. NC state was piling in a lot of 4-5 star burger boys. That always seemed kind of odd considering the quality of the school but was chalked up to “great” recruiting.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2019 11:40:45 GMT -5
100k for Dennis Smith and they only won 4ACC games and didn't even make the tourney...Bad investment.
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Post by hoyaboya on Mar 9, 2019 12:12:54 GMT -5
Also recruited Yurtseven.
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Post by NCHoya on Mar 9, 2019 12:29:34 GMT -5
Wow, this confirms Gottfried is a really bad basketball coach. Always has been a good recruiter, I guess we know why now, but man he wastes a ton of talent, and now we know, money too.
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Post by SDHoya on Mar 9, 2019 14:09:42 GMT -5
Wow, this confirms Gottfried is a really bad basketball coach. Always has been a good recruiter, I guess we know why now, but man he wastes a ton of talent, and now we know, money too. Well, at least he was better than Sidney Lowe!
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Post by njhoya78 on Mar 9, 2019 15:41:07 GMT -5
Texas Christian assistant coach Corey Barker joins Creighton assistant coach Preston Murphy on administrative leave after being named as recipients of $6,000.00 payments from Christian Dawkins, now under indictment, in the pay-to-play bribery scandal.
The iceberg be big.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2019 10:36:52 GMT -5
“There’s no place that’s more magic than the McKale Center. There are no fans in the world that are more loyal. It has been an amazing honor to coach in the McKale Center for the last 10 years. Thank you for everything."
Given the Wildcats' tough year, Arizona's involvement in the college basketball FBI case and other issues, the message could be taken as cryptic on its own. But Miller made it even more of a conversation when he elected to "no comment" given the chance to explain what he meant.
Look, I get why the rumor will and conspiracy theories are running on high right now. But, whatever end game Miller was getting out, I don't see any way on Earth that he didn't make the comments he did without a master plan behind it. Is he rallying the fanbase around him, trolling the media, seriously considering quitting? I don't know, but I don't think it was on off the cuff or emotionally driven comment.
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