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Post by bicentennial on Apr 28, 2018 17:03:09 GMT -5
Was interested since the implicated "grass roots director" was at New England Playaz. I believe that may be the team Nate Lubick played for before arriving at GU. Found this link that does not have anything to do with GU hoops but seems to show some of the company TJ Gassnola was keeping a few years ago. www.masslive.com/news/index.ssf/2018/02/western_mass_aau_team_linked_t.html
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Apr 28, 2018 17:03:56 GMT -5
I am certainly figuring on him sitting next year. Just saying that you never know for certain what can fly with the NCAA. With the bribery scandal hovering over the game, they may feel pressure to let players escape implicated programs without penalty. Unlikely I agree, but not inconceivable.4 Points 1. They didn't do it this past season at Louisville who also fired their coach in response, or any of the schools implicated before the season. 2. Yurt7 left before his previous school was implicated. Don't know how he can retroactively claim he left because of bribery implications hovering over his previous school when he had no idea of them when he left. 3. The Feds won't be done with this investigation by November and the NCAA won't make any decisions until the FBI completes their investigation. 4. The NCAA commission lead by Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice just made recommendations that NCAA wants to put in place by August which I believe included not making any changes to the transfer rule. Yurt7 playing next season is a glorious and beautiful pipe dream...
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Post by SSHoya on Apr 28, 2018 17:34:49 GMT -5
I am certainly figuring on him sitting next year. Just saying that you never know for certain what can fly with the NCAA. With the bribery scandal hovering over the game, they may feel pressure to let players escape implicated programs without penalty. Unlikely I agree, but not inconceivable.4 Points 1. They didn't do it this past season at Louisville who also fired their coach in response, or any of the schools implicated before the season. 2. Yurt7 left before his previous school was implicated. Don't know how he can retroactively claim he left because of bribery implications hovering over his previous school when he had no idea of them when he left. 3. The Feds won't be done with this investigation by November and the NCAA won't make any decisions until the FBI completes their investigation. 4. The NCAA commission lead by Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice just made recommendations that NCAA wants to put in place by August which I believe included not making any changes to the transfer rule. Yurt7 playing next season is a glorious and beautiful pipe dream... I think you are right that Yurt7 will not be playing next season but Rice's Commission did not affirmatively recommend no changes to the transfer rule -- it simply did not address it. I think your point #2 is enough of a reason. And even if the NCAA comes up with an immediate eligibility rule, the rule will not be in place until 2019-20 season. That may be because the transfer rule is being addressed by the NCAA DI Transfer Working Group which asked for input from the DI Committee on Academics (chaired by Jack DeGioia) and is to apply to all Division I athletes, not just basketball. I infer that the transfer rule was not part of the Rice Commission's mandate because she was addressing only college basketball www.ncaa.org/about/resources/media-center/news/joint-statement-commission-college-basketballwww.ncaa.org/about/resources/media-center/news/di-transfer-group-requests-feedback-rule-conceptswww.ncaa.org/about/resources/media-center/news/di-committee-academics-considers-transfer-rule-changes
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Apr 28, 2018 21:03:59 GMT -5
Good to know! Thanks..
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Apr 28, 2018 22:10:13 GMT -5
Understood, but the NCAA has been increasingly liberal regarding transfer waivers, so the hint of scandal could conceivably be enough to affect Yurt's situation. Actually the NCAA has become more staunch in regarding transfer waivers shortly after the Hoyas benefited with Joshua Smith. The NCAA was loose with the rules where they were allowing a ton of immediately eligible transfers with a good reason like an ill parent or grandparent but put a complete stop to that after I believe the 2015-2016 season. Now. outside of the 5th year graduate free agent transfers, most other transfers have to sit out a calender year. Copeland was able to use his injury and subsequent surgery to gain eligibility after only a semester of academic residence. But immediate eligibility is something of the past outside of graduate transfers. True - and even Josh Smith sat for one semester (he had transferred in December, went to class at Georgetown for one semester, then became eligible in November, rather than end of first semester because of the waiver). Immediate eligibility for transfers is extremely rare since they tightened up on things. Waivers like Julian Vaughn got to transfer immediately because of family reasons simply aren't given out as often anymore.
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Post by EtomicB on Apr 28, 2018 22:25:42 GMT -5
4 Points 1. They didn't do it this past season at Louisville who also fired their coach in response, or any of the schools implicated before the season. 2. Yurt7 left before his previous school was implicated. Don't know how he can retroactively claim he left because of bribery implications hovering over his previous school when he had no idea of them when he left. 3. The Feds won't be done with this investigation by November and the NCAA won't make any decisions until the FBI completes their investigation. 4. The NCAA commission lead by Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice just made recommendations that NCAA wants to put in place by August which I believe included not making any changes to the transfer rule. Yurt7 playing next season is a glorious and beautiful pipe dream... I think you are right that Yurt7 will not be playing next season but Rice's Commission did not affirmatively recommend no changes to the transfer rule -- it simply did not address it. I think your point #2 is enough of a reason. And even if the NCAA comes up with an immediate eligibility rule, the rule will not be in place until 2019-20 season. That may be because the transfer rule is being addressed by the NCAA DI Transfer Working Group which asked for input from the DI Committee on Academics (chaired by Jack DeGioia) and is to apply to all Division I athletes, not just basketball. I infer that the transfer rule was not part of the Rice Commission's mandate because she was addressing only college basketball www.ncaa.org/about/resources/media-center/news/joint-statement-commission-college-basketballwww.ncaa.org/about/resources/media-center/news/di-transfer-group-requests-feedback-rule-conceptswww.ncaa.org/about/resources/media-center/news/di-committee-academics-considers-transfer-rule-changesAccording to this article Rice's commission did recommend that the rule stay the same.. www.azcentral.com/story/sports/ncaab/2018/04/25/task-force-proposes-sweeping-changes-college-basketball/549234002/Transfers: The commission said the NCAA should continue one aspect of the current transfer rule, which requires players to sit out for one year. It recommended the NCAA monitors the graduate-transfer rule – which allows student athletes with eligibility to transfer without penalty to pursue a graduate degree – to make sure the rule is serving its intent.
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Post by SSHoya on Apr 29, 2018 4:04:22 GMT -5
You are right. So Rice did address transfers. Thanks. It'd be odd that the NCAA would create working groups to address DI transfer rules for all athletes (not just basketball players) and proceed to ignore its own in-house work which seems to have much more thought behind its proposed changes.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Apr 29, 2018 8:26:22 GMT -5
You are right. So Rice did address transfers. Thanks. It'd be odd that the NCAA would create working groups to address DI transfer rules for all athletes (not just basketball players) and proceed to ignore its own in-house work which seems to have much more thought behind its proposed changes. I new I read that the Commission addressed the transfer rule and asked that it remained the same. I just didn't have the energy to go back and verify it last night. Thanks Etomic!!!
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Post by hoyarooter on May 2, 2018 20:13:18 GMT -5
Understood, but the NCAA has been increasingly liberal regarding transfer waivers, so the hint of scandal could conceivably be enough to affect Yurt's situation. Actually the NCAA has become more staunch in regarding transfer waivers shortly after the Hoyas benefited with Joshua Smith. The NCAA was loose with the rules where they were allowing a ton of immediately eligible transfers with a good reason like an ill parent or grandparent but put a complete stop to that after I believe the 2015-2016 season. Now. outside of the 5th year graduate free agent transfers, most other transfers have to sit out a calender year. Copeland was able to use his injury and subsequent surgery to gain eligibility after only a semester of academic residence. But immediate eligibility is something of the past outside of graduate transfers. Yurt7 would require being granted immediate eligibility without any valid reason. By all reports he's not going to qualify for the one time transfer rule if it's even implemented for next season. Give up on seeing him in a game for next season and look forward to the 2019-2020 season. If something happens by some miracle to allow him to play next season, well that's just gravy... Of course he has a valid reason. He wants to play for Georgetown. That's plenty reason enough. Seriously, though, I am not anticipating Yurt7 playing for us next season.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2018 9:22:44 GMT -5
Actually the NCAA has become more staunch in regarding transfer waivers shortly after the Hoyas benefited with Joshua Smith. The NCAA was loose with the rules where they were allowing a ton of immediately eligible transfers with a good reason like an ill parent or grandparent but put a complete stop to that after I believe the 2015-2016 season. Now. outside of the 5th year graduate free agent transfers, most other transfers have to sit out a calender year. Copeland was able to use his injury and subsequent surgery to gain eligibility after only a semester of academic residence. But immediate eligibility is something of the past outside of graduate transfers. Yurt7 would require being granted immediate eligibility without any valid reason. By all reports he's not going to qualify for the one time transfer rule if it's even implemented for next season. Give up on seeing him in a game for next season and look forward to the 2019-2020 season. If something happens by some miracle to allow him to play next season, well that's just gravy... Of course he has a valid reason. He wants to play for Georgetown. That's plenty reason enough. Seriously, though, I am not anticipating Yurt7 playing for us next season. File this under "Things that none of us know jack about". I'm guessing that the staff has a pretty good handle on the likelihood (or not) of him playing this year, and they're planning accordingly. The staff knew exactly what was going on w/ Marcus (while we were all assuming he'd be back) and were pursuing Yurtseven at that time. I think he might be more likely to play this year than not. If you're the staff and you know that Marcus is leaving and you want to recruit another big, why recruit someone who can't play next year? Especially if there's a chance (and there still is) that Jessie is gone, too? This should only play out in one of two ways: 1. He sits this year, then plays next year. 2. He is granted a waiver and plays this year. Some on this board have posited that he might sit this year, then decide to enter the draft next year. If that happens, both he and Georgetown made huge mistakes. Georgetown pursued him for a reason, and it wasn't to waste a scholarship so on someone who would never suit up for us in a game. And if he is going to enter the draft next year, why would he sit for a year at Georgetown rather than playing for a year at NC State? I guess you could argue "So he could learn from the greatest big man of all time." Sure - but why would WE take that deal? You think Patrick is interested in burning a precious scholarship and giving Yurtseven some free big-man coaching to help him get into the NBA? All that said, please refer to the first sentence of my post. I don't know jack about this. My speculation is as wild as anyone else's.
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Post by DanMcQ on May 3, 2018 9:28:48 GMT -5
Of course he has a valid reason. He wants to play for Georgetown. That's plenty reason enough. Seriously, though, I am not anticipating Yurt7 playing for us next season. File this under "Things that none of us know jack about". I'm guessing that the staff has a pretty good handle on the likelihood (or not) of him playing this year, and they're planning accordingly. The staff knew exactly what was going on w/ Marcus (while we were all assuming he'd be back) and were pursuing Yurtseven at that time. I think he might be more likely to play this year than not. If you're the staff and you know that Marcus is leaving and you want to recruit another big, why recruit someone who can't play next year? Especially if there's a chance (and there still is) that Jessie is gone, too? This should only play out in one of two ways: 1. He sits this year, then plays next year. 2. He is granted a waiver and plays this year. Some on this board have posited that he might sit this year, then decide to enter the draft next year. If that happens, both he and Georgetown made huge mistakes. Georgetown pursued him for a reason, and it wasn't to waste a scholarship so on someone who would never suit up for us in a game. And if he is going to enter the draft next year, why would he sit for a year at Georgetown rather than playing for a year at NC State? I guess you could argue "So he could learn from the greatest big man of all time." Sure - but why would WE take that deal? You think Patrick is interested in burning a precious scholarship and giving Yurtseven some free big-man coaching to help him get into the NBA? All that said, please refer to the first sentence of my post. I don't know jack about this. My speculation is as wild as anyone else's. Great assessment. Plus, who knew you could say jack here? 💯
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2018 9:33:27 GMT -5
File this under "Things that none of us know jack about". I'm guessing that the staff has a pretty good handle on the likelihood (or not) of him playing this year, and they're planning accordingly. The staff knew exactly what was going on w/ Marcus (while we were all assuming he'd be back) and were pursuing Yurtseven at that time. I think he might be more likely to play this year than not. If you're the staff and you know that Marcus is leaving and you want to recruit another big, why recruit someone who can't play next year? Especially if there's a chance (and there still is) that Jessie is gone, too? This should only play out in one of two ways: 1. He sits this year, then plays next year. 2. He is granted a waiver and plays this year. Some on this board have posited that he might sit this year, then decide to enter the draft next year. If that happens, both he and Georgetown made huge mistakes. Georgetown pursued him for a reason, and it wasn't to waste a scholarship so on someone who would never suit up for us in a game. And if he is going to enter the draft next year, why would he sit for a year at Georgetown rather than playing for a year at NC State? I guess you could argue "So he could learn from the greatest big man of all time." Sure - but why would WE take that deal? You think Patrick is interested in burning a precious scholarship and giving Yurtseven some free big-man coaching to help him get into the NBA? All that said, please refer to the first sentence of my post. I don't know jack about this. My speculation is as wild as anyone else's. Great assessment. Plus, who knew you could say jack here? 💯 If only there were someone with moderator privileges who could make sure these things were censored...
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Post by FrazierFanatic on May 3, 2018 9:36:41 GMT -5
Don't poke the bear Cam.
HoyaTalk exile is a cold, lonely place.😉
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2018 9:41:07 GMT -5
Don't poke the bear Cam. HoyaTalk exile is a cold, lonely place.😉 Yeah, but at least I'd be compelled to enjoy my summer.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on May 3, 2018 12:33:22 GMT -5
Excellent point.
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Post by hoyarooter on May 3, 2018 18:58:08 GMT -5
Of course he has a valid reason. He wants to play for Georgetown. That's plenty reason enough. Seriously, though, I am not anticipating Yurt7 playing for us next season. File this under "Things that none of us know jack about". I'm guessing that the staff has a pretty good handle on the likelihood (or not) of him playing this year, and they're planning accordingly. The staff knew exactly what was going on w/ Marcus (while we were all assuming he'd be back) and were pursuing Yurtseven at that time. I think he might be more likely to play this year than not. If you're the staff and you know that Marcus is leaving and you want to recruit another big, why recruit someone who can't play next year? Especially if there's a chance (and there still is) that Jessie is gone, too? This should only play out in one of two ways: 1. He sits this year, then plays next year. 2. He is granted a waiver and plays this year. Some on this board have posited that he might sit this year, then decide to enter the draft next year. If that happens, both he and Georgetown made huge mistakes. Georgetown pursued him for a reason, and it wasn't to waste a scholarship so on someone who would never suit up for us in a game. And if he is going to enter the draft next year, why would he sit for a year at Georgetown rather than playing for a year at NC State? I guess you could argue "So he could learn from the greatest big man of all time." Sure - but why would WE take that deal? You think Patrick is interested in burning a precious scholarship and giving Yurtseven some free big-man coaching to help him get into the NBA? All that said, please refer to the first sentence of my post. I don't know jack about this. My speculation is as wild as anyone else's. When did Kareem become our coach? I will hear Bill Russell arguments, as well. Or Wilt, except he's deceased, so he couldn't be our coach.
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Post by EtomicB on May 5, 2018 17:54:51 GMT -5
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Post by SSHoya on May 8, 2018 10:34:11 GMT -5
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Post by EtomicB on May 8, 2018 12:27:30 GMT -5
No doubt the system is terrible but she has to know her son didn’t have to go to Duke, he had other options..
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Post by sleepy on May 8, 2018 12:50:31 GMT -5
The one and done rule isn't the NCAA's fault. Its the NBA's. Some of her criticism is valid and poignant, some of it is directed at the wrong people.
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