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Post by calhoya on Sept 10, 2017 7:32:35 GMT -5
Kid appears to be a quality student and at least a decent Division 1 prospect. That's about all we know. May have a high upside. May have been underrated due to injury. May not pan out. Regardless of where you fall on all of the major changes and decisions that have occurred in the past 6 months, what choice is there now but to let the new coaching staff make the calls on which recruits they want, who they will schedule, and the style they will play on both ends of the court. As a life-long skeptic, I have plenty of concern about all of the above, but short of just blowing off this team for a few years, it's best to ride out this first year and see how everything looks/feels come the end of the season. No need to get too excited about any recruit, nor too upset because of the number some rating service puts next to his name. There will be plenty of time to complain if this goes south.
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Post by Filo on Sept 10, 2017 8:08:51 GMT -5
Only 6 Ewing recruits to date. If you insist on P'ing in our coffee, at least get the numbers right. Walker, Malinowski, Dickerson, Blair, Sodom, Pickett, and Carter. That's 7 by my count. Carter looks like a decent player. I'm happy we have him. We need some top 100 talents if we expect to compete in the Big East. Hopefully Ewing can start recruiting some. Glad you said "top 100 talent" rather than a "Top 100 recruit" - from what I have been reading, I think Ewing may have just recruited some "top 100 talent" in Carter (who may not have cracked the top 100 rankings because of his ankle injury).
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Post by blueandgray on Sept 10, 2017 9:23:44 GMT -5
Only 6 Ewing recruits to date. If you insist on P'ing in our coffee, at least get the numbers right. Walker, Malinowski, Dickerson, Blair, Sodom, Pickett, and Carter. That's 7 by my count. Carter looks like a decent player. I'm happy we have him. We need some top 100 talents if we expect to compete in the Big East. Hopefully Ewing can start recruiting some. Fair statement. Hopefully Grayson will be a solid 4 year kid...but yes, getting more top 50 kids has to be a goal for the staff as well.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2017 10:39:09 GMT -5
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Post by trillesthoya on Sept 10, 2017 10:54:23 GMT -5
Reminds me a bit of DJ Wilson from Michigan. Perfect pick up for today's style of play. If that shooting stroke translates to the collegiate level, we could have ourselves a very solid player who's underrated now because of his injury but will really make some programs regret not pushing for him harder when they had the chance.
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Post by HometownHoya on Sept 10, 2017 11:22:29 GMT -5
Welcome to the Hilltop Grayson!
I wonder how accurate his current listed weight of 225 is. If so then he's definitely more developed that most high schoolers.
Always happy to have a guy that can sink shots and plays tough defense...can't ask for much more.
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Post by professorhoya on Sept 10, 2017 15:51:33 GMT -5
Welcome to the Hilltop Grayson! I wonder how accurate his current listed weight of 225 is. If so then he's definitely more developed that most high schoolers. Always happy to have a guy that can sink shots and plays tough defense...can't ask for much more. If he's 6-9 225 he can at least be a big even if he can't shoot or has no handles. That was the problem with Reggie Cameron, he didn't have the size to be a legitimate big at the college level. That was the problem with Cameron, he really couldn't shoot or get his shot off from 3 but wasn't really able to a plus in other areas to compensate for not being able to use his supposed strength (shooting 3s).
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2017 0:47:08 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2017 0:49:53 GMT -5
Vid is from Oct '16. Looks a little hobbled here but you can tell this kid has a lot of confidence in his shot..
Think this would be one of the first times he was able to get back on the court after his injury...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2017 0:52:32 GMT -5
This is before injury
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Post by EtomicB on Sept 11, 2017 7:35:45 GMT -5
Reminds me a bit of DJ Wilson from Michigan. Perfect pick up for today's style of play. If that shooting stroke translates to the collegiate level, we could have ourselves a very solid player who's underrated now because of his injury but will really make some programs regret not pushing for him harder when they had the chance. Very good comparison.. I like it much better than the Cameron comparison I've read a couple of times on the board Carter has a nice set of skills, with hard work & the proper assistance he could be a very productive player @ Gtown..
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Post by prhoya on Sept 11, 2017 9:06:14 GMT -5
If he's 6-9 225 he can at least be a big even if he can't shoot or has no handles. That was the problem with Reggie Cameron, he didn't have the size to be a legitimate big at the college level. That was the problem with Cameron, he really couldn't shoot or get his shot off from 3 but wasn't really able to a plus in other areas to compensate for not being able to use his supposed strength (shooting 3s). Disagree on Cameron re: shot. Even though Reggie (6'7") was shorter than Allen, size was not what limited Reggie at his SF position. Reggie was a 3, not a four, who could not sink 3 even when left wide open. He didn't need to create a shot; it was given to him by our opponents. He never became that sharpshooter, open or not, he was recruited to be. Agree on Cameron re: wasn't a plus in other areas to compensate.
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Post by hoyaboya on Sept 11, 2017 9:35:14 GMT -5
Interesting part of this commitment is that Carter has some top 50 teammates in the class of 2019. De'Vion Harmon is a 6'2" PG ranked #42 nationally by Rivals. Jalen Wilson is a 6'6" F ranked #47 by Rivals. Hopefully he will be in these kids' ears about the Hoyas.
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Post by beenaround on Sept 11, 2017 10:05:06 GMT -5
Obviously highlight videos just show the best of kids. But the stroke looks really pure and effortless. Also has a nice handle for his size. Probably not a great athlete, by "one and done" standards...but a tall guy who can shoot from three is incredibly valuable these days. Could be a solid four year player for us.
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Post by hoyaboya on Sept 11, 2017 10:55:39 GMT -5
Patrick Ewing has landed his first commitment from the class of 2018 and in big man Grayson Carter, he's found a kid who has some serious potential at the Big East level. A strong kid with excellent size, Carter committed during his official visit over the weekend and has the ability to be a good rotational player as soon as he hits campus. Eventually, he could be a multiple-year starter for the Hoyas. First of all Carter has college-ready strength. He holds his position well in the post and has very good hands. What's most important is that Carter has a high skill level. He can play some pick-and-pop basketball, is an outstanding passer from the high post and out of double teams on the block. basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/news/starting-five-big-weekend-at-clemson
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Post by 95hoya on Sept 11, 2017 11:39:07 GMT -5
I don't see the DJ Wilson comparison. Wilson was an elite athlete and really skinny. I get the Reggie Cameron comparison based on entering college. Cameron was supposed to be able to stroke it. He didn't. This kid has a better body. Cameron had no other skills to fall back on.
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Post by EtomicB on Sept 11, 2017 12:00:30 GMT -5
I don't see the DJ Wilson comparison. Wilson was an elite athlete and really skinny. I get the Reggie Cameron comparison based on entering college. Cameron was supposed to be able to stroke it. He didn't. This kid has a better body. Cameron had no other skills to fall back on. Carter is much closer to Wilson than he is to Cameron imo.. He looks to be a good athlete, at worst he's above average where as Cameron was below average.. Carter shot 36% from 3 last year in 35 attempts, Reggie was close to 50% in HS on 150+ attempts.. To me Carter isn't a 3pt specialist like Reggie was coming out..
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Post by nychoya3 on Sept 11, 2017 12:18:24 GMT -5
Reggie's percentages never looked like the sniper he was supposed to be. I still think he can really shoot it, but his release isn't the quickest and the speed of defenders gave him trouble. And he didn't really bring anything else to the court if he wasn't hitting threes or exerting gravity on the defense because they were scared he was going to hit threes.
Carter is big enough to be a true 4 and guard 4's, and hopefully he has some more tricks in the bag.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Sept 11, 2017 12:22:07 GMT -5
I don't see the DJ Wilson comparison. Wilson was an elite athlete and really skinny. I get the Reggie Cameron comparison based on entering college. Cameron was supposed to be able to stroke it. He didn't. This kid has a better body. Cameron had no other skills to fall back on. Carter is much closer to Wilson than he is to Cameron imo.. He looks to be a good athlete, at worst he's above average where as Cameron was below average.. Carter shot 36% from 3 last year in 35 attempts, Reggie was close to 50% in HS on 150+ attempts.. To me Carter isn't a 3pt specialist like Reggie was coming out.. Agreed! Carter's game is much closer to Wilson than Cameron. Carter has a very versatile skill set that doesn't depend on on knocking down perimeter jumpers. Carter is a triple threat option. He can post, face up, pass, catch and shoot and put it on the deck a little. At a legit 6'9" Carter's game is much more diverse than Cameron was coming into college. Reggie Cameron's success was dependent on him knocking down 3's to open up other aspects of his game. The 3 ball is just another option/asset in Grayson Carter's offensive game.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2017 12:27:57 GMT -5
I don't think either is a great comparison tbh but I get where folks are going with the Wilson comparison... I don't see Reggie at all. They don't even play the same position and Reggie doesn't have any semblance of a post game.
Think we need more video to say for sure, but imo he's more in the mold of an Erik Murphy (Fla), Jared Berggren (Wisc), or Kevin Jones WVU..
Senior year Ryan Spangler (Oklahoma) might be another good comparison.. Anyways there's a lot of value in a kid that can pick and pop and also go in the post and get you a bucket. If he can do both consistently he'll be a good player for us.
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