smokeyjack
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Post by smokeyjack on Apr 30, 2019 11:12:41 GMT -5
Right, rather than actually explain how my take that Carter's minutes will be taken by the addition of Gardner is wrong, you're just randomly asserting I don't know what I'm talking about or never watched either of them play. I've watched plenty of Spire games this season, I know what we're getting in Gardner, and while I do recognize that team's don't divy minutes based on 1 2 3 4 5 in the way they used to, it's just an easy albeit imperfect to conceptualize players functions on a team. Don’t bother. He’s clearly trolling. 4ever is so plugged in that he was literally the last man aboard the capsized ship JT3.
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Post by hoyas big supporter on Apr 30, 2019 11:24:26 GMT -5
22/23 year old Gardner > 19 year old Carter as a banger, regardless of height. Leblanc is 6’7” and he could play the 4. How about we wait to actually see Gardner in a Hoya uniform. Again, height is immaterial to his ability to bang. He wasn’t strong. Also, all the post really said was that Gardner is the closest trade off of the last three recent commits we got. I think you are getting Gardner and Alexander mixed up. Gardner is the hs kid from Spire and Alexander is the juco from La.....the reason H4E is saying some haven't seen Carter/Alexander/Gardner because Carter plays a completely different style and position than the other 2. The only person that threatens Carter PT is Yurt7 or Josh....Gardner/Alexander(2/3), Carter(4/5) Okay I typed the wrong name but my point is still exactly the same. And that you think Gardner and Alexander have no distinction between their games is interesting (and i think mistaken). Again, let’s wait until we see them play but Alexander can get minutes at the 4 in college, period. If Kaleb can do it anyone can (I’m moslty serious). Do you think Daniel House could’ve played minutes at the 4 for us?
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Post by trillesthoya on Apr 30, 2019 11:54:55 GMT -5
22/23 year old Gardner > 19 year old Carter as a banger, regardless of height. Leblanc is 6’7” and he could play the 4. How about we wait to actually see Gardner in a Hoya uniform. Again, height is immaterial to his ability to bang. He wasn’t strong. Also, all the post really said was that Gardner is the closest trade off of the last three recent commits we got. I think you are getting Gardner and Alexander mixed up. Gardner is the hs kid from Spire and Alexander is the juco from La.....the reason H4E is saying some haven't seen Carter/Alexander/Gardner because Carter plays a completely different style and position than the other 2. The only person that threatens Carter PT is Yurt7 or Josh....Gardner/Alexander(2/3), Carter(4/5) See I completely get what you're saying and because you responded by actually fleshing out the argument without unnecessarily asserting that I have never watched them play or don't know what I'm talking about we can actually have a productive conversation about the two players. I get that this is hoyatalk and that part of its beauty is that its chaos, but I don't understand what is about anonymity that makes some people think they can just insult people's intelligence unnecessarily. Anyways back to Carter... If you've watched about ten seconds of Carter playing last year and about five seconds of one of Gardner's highlight videos it would be readily apparent that they play very very differently and that they contribute very different things to the team. Just because they play differently does not mean that one won't steal minutes from the other, or that they don't play the same position. Gardner looks like he'll play Kaleb's role from last year, which is the 3/4. Carter at this point isn't athletic enough to play the three, wasn't big enough to play center for any meaningful amount of time, and likely could only play the 4. Given that they'd overlap at least at the four, then clearly ones minutes would have an impact on the others. If you don't think Gardner can play the four thats fine, but just based on how he played at Spire (which is much bigger than size) I'm betting he will, at least as much as Kaleb did. The only way Allen committing to Georgetown had an impact on Carter is if we recruited over Carter and forced him out due to the scholarship situation. I'm not naive enough to pretend our program runs everything completely cleanly without any sort of unfair play whatsoever, but I don't feel like Ewing is the type of guy to do that. Maybe he is, but it makes more sense for me to think that Carter told Ewing he was transferring out once he saw that his minutes weren't going to be where he wanted, and knowing this we went out and landed Allen.
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hoyazeke
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Post by hoyazeke on Apr 30, 2019 12:00:05 GMT -5
I think you are getting Gardner and Alexander mixed up. Gardner is the hs kid from Spire and Alexander is the juco from La.....the reason H4E is saying some haven't seen Carter/Alexander/Gardner because Carter plays a completely different style and position than the other 2. The only person that threatens Carter PT is Yurt7 or Josh....Gardner/Alexander(2/3), Carter(4/5) Okay I typed the wrong name but my point is still exactly the same. And that you think Gardner and Alexander have no distinction between their games is interesting (and i think mistaken). Again, let’s wait until we see them play but Alexander can get minutes at the 4 in college, period. If Kaleb can do it anyone can (I’m moslty serious). Do you think Daniel House could’ve played minutes at the 4 for us? Jr/Sr Kaleb yes, Fr/S Kaleb no....Alexander may get some small ball 4 mins but God I hope Fr Gardner never sees 1 min at the 4....Carter was big enough to play the 4/5 as a freshman but he wasn't strong enough....Carter was better at post D than Trey or Jessie and you dont think he would have hit the weights over the offseason?....Gardner is similar to Brilly. Would you have ever wanted Brilly at the 4/5?
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Post by SSHoya on Apr 30, 2019 12:06:08 GMT -5
Okay I typed the wrong name but my point is still exactly the same. And that you think Gardner and Alexander have no distinction between their games is interesting (and i think mistaken). Again, let’s wait until we see them play but Alexander can get minutes at the 4 in college, period. If Kaleb can do it anyone can (I’m moslty serious). Do you think Daniel House could’ve played minutes at the 4 for us? Jr/Sr Kaleb yes, Fr/S Kaleb no....Alexander may get some small ball 4 mins but God I hope Fr Gardner never sees 1 min at the 4....Carter was big enough to play the 4/5 as a freshman but he wasn't strong enough....Carter was better at post D than Trey or Jessie and you dont think he would have hit the weights over the offseason?....Gardner is similar to Brilly. Would you have ever wanted Brilly at the 4/5? None of these guys are Perry McDonald! www.hoyabasketball.com/features/top100/p_mcdonald.htmThe better link:www.hoyabasketball.com/players/p_mcdonald.htm
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smokeyjack
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Post by smokeyjack on Apr 30, 2019 12:06:14 GMT -5
I think you are getting Gardner and Alexander mixed up. Gardner is the hs kid from Spire and Alexander is the juco from La.....the reason H4E is saying some haven't seen Carter/Alexander/Gardner because Carter plays a completely different style and position than the other 2. The only person that threatens Carter PT is Yurt7 or Josh....Gardner/Alexander(2/3), Carter(4/5) Okay I typed the wrong name but my point is still exactly the same. And that you think Gardner and Alexander have no distinction between their games is interesting (and i think mistaken). Again, let’s wait until we see them play but Alexander can get minutes at the 4 in college, period. If Kaleb can do it anyone can (I’m moslty serious). Do you think Daniel House could’ve played minutes at the 4 for us? This is exactly right. Even though both Gardner and Alexander aren’t 6-8 like Carter, both are far better suited to playing a traditional power forward role than Carter, who is less athletic and less aggressive than both incoming wings, and way less physically mature than Alexander. Point was always that Carter is a shooter. Period. That’s all he did in HS. And that’s all he showed us last year. He didn’t have any other discernible basketball skill. So, yeah, he was two inches bigger than Alexander and Gardner. But if I’m picking teams and looking for a guy to do conventional “big guy” dirty work, I’m picking both of the new wings over Carter 10 times out of 10. And, yes, Galen is way more ready to bang in the Big East than Gardner. He’s pretty swole. I see Galen as a 3/4 and Gardner as a 2/3. But Gardner is far from soft. Carter? I saw some soft.
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Post by hoyas big supporter on Apr 30, 2019 14:36:12 GMT -5
Okay I typed the wrong name but my point is still exactly the same. And that you think Gardner and Alexander have no distinction between their games is interesting (and i think mistaken). Again, let’s wait until we see them play but Alexander can get minutes at the 4 in college, period. If Kaleb can do it anyone can (I’m moslty serious). Do you think Daniel House could’ve played minutes at the 4 for us? Jr/Sr Kaleb yes, Fr/S Kaleb no....Alexander may get some small ball 4 mins but God I hope Fr Gardner never sees 1 min at the 4....Carter was big enough to play the 4/5 as a freshman but he wasn't strong enough....Carter was better at post D than Trey or Jessie and you dont think he would have hit the weights over the offseason?....Gardner is similar to Brilly. Would you have ever wanted Brilly at the 4/5? I’m sure he would’ve improved and been an upgrade over Trey/Govan defensively. Not to take anything away from that, but Trey was maybe the worst post defender I’ve ever seen (not hyperbole, ask Myles Powell why his eyes lit up everytime he was in the lane), and Govan wasn’t as bad as people say. His effort was definitely inconsistent on that end though. I will say though, I think all of our incoming bigs are probably already better defenders than Carter can ever be. And again to clarify, I typed Gardner in place of Alexander by mistake, but I knew exactly who I was talking about. No, I wouldn’t suggest giving Gardner minutes at the 4, but I think Alexander is a different story.
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Hoyas4Ever
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Apr 30, 2019 17:20:28 GMT -5
Don’t bother. He’s clearly trolling. 4ever is so plugged in that he was literally the last man aboard the capsized ship JT3. Lol...I was also the 1ST on the Coach Ewing Train and plugged in enough that I broke the news on here a couple days before it was rumored or announced that Coach Ewing got the job...
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smokeyjack
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Post by smokeyjack on Apr 30, 2019 18:06:17 GMT -5
4ever is so plugged in that he was literally the last man aboard the capsized ship JT3. Lol...I was also the 1ST on the Coach Ewing Train and plugged in enough that I broke the news on here a couple days before it was rumored or announced that Coach Ewing got the job... I’m just messing. We both love the Hoyas. At the end of the day, that’s really all that matters. I do wish Alexander was a couple inches taller, so he’d be prototype 4 build. But I don’t think we’re going to miss Carter.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Apr 30, 2019 18:13:56 GMT -5
I think Alexander will be a 3. He can handle, drive and shoot it well enough. LeBlanc is a 4. It doesn’t really matter if you’re throwing dogs out there. Effort and skill trump size.
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smokeyjack
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Post by smokeyjack on Apr 30, 2019 18:34:14 GMT -5
I think Alexander will be a 3. He can handle, drive and shoot it well enough. LeBlanc is a 4. It doesn’t really matter if you’re throwing dogs out there. Effort and skill trump size. There’s no question he’s primarily a 3, but he’s going to have to play some occasional minutes at 4 when LeBlanc isn’t on floor. I also think we’ll see some rotations with Yurt playing stretch 5 and one of the basket-tethered bigs playing traditional pivot.
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