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Post by blazers44 on Mar 15, 2018 12:47:39 GMT -5
Pickett was a SF this yr and will be again next yr. LeBlanc will be the 6th man. I would expect Ewing to recruit another guard. He is currently recruiting a juco guard guard. Wendell Mitchell, #1 player in the country for jucos...
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Post by jwp91 on Mar 15, 2018 12:50:08 GMT -5
Pickett was a SF this yr and will be again next yr. LeBlanc will be the 6th man. I would expect Ewing to recruit another guard. He is currently recruiting a juco guard guard. Wendell Mitchell, #1 player in the country for jucos... I don’t think our offense had specific enough positions to make the claim that Pickett played SF and Johnson played 2G. I think they were both wing players.
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Post by jwp91 on Mar 15, 2018 15:51:11 GMT -5
Pickett was a SF this yr and will be again next yr. LeBlanc will be the 6th man. I would expect Ewing to recruit another guard. He is currently recruiting a juco guard guard. Wendell Mitchell, #1 player in the country for jucos... For the record, the school's official roster on the athletic department's website lists PIckett as a 'G' and Kaleb as 'G/F'.
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Post by blazers44 on Mar 15, 2018 16:49:55 GMT -5
Doesn't mean much. Pickett can't guard opposing teams shooting guards. Can't handle the ball either.
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Post by bornhoya on Mar 15, 2018 17:07:40 GMT -5
Doesn't mean much. Pickett can't guard opposing teams shooting guards. Can't handle the ball either. by the end of the year I saw him do a cross over between the legs crab dribble into a step back into a 3 beginning of the year he probably couldn’t do one of those moves
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Post by jwp91 on Mar 15, 2018 17:36:15 GMT -5
Doesn't mean much. Pickett can't guard opposing teams shooting guards. Can't handle the ball either. Do you think Gene Hackman is available to do some defensive consulting? There are a bunch who could use it.
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Post by blazers44 on Mar 15, 2018 18:43:20 GMT -5
I hope lol
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Post by Ranch Dressing on Mar 16, 2018 10:00:19 GMT -5
Pickett was the presumptive 2 this year and Kaleb the 3. Although it was a pretty meaningless distinction.
Leblanc I think replaces Kaleb as the 3. If you consider Derrickson's outside shooting, he and Leblanc could be treated as interchangeable 3/4s.
In any event, if Leblanc is good he will start over Kaleb, who, in my mind, is at best a 10-15 minute bench player, on a good NCAA team.
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Post by bostonfan on Mar 16, 2018 10:38:11 GMT -5
Pickett was the presumptive 2 this year and Kaleb the 3. Although it was a pretty meaningless distinction. Leblanc I think replaces Kaleb as the 3. If you consider Derrickson's outside shooting, he and Leblanc could be treated as interchangeable 3/4s. In any event, if Leblanc is good he will start over Kaleb, who, in my mind, is at best a 10-15 minute bench player, on a good NCAA team. It really was a meaningless distinction. Neither Pickett or Kaleb are really 2 guards, as they both need to improve on defending guards on the perimeter and improve their ball handling. I could see Leblanc starting over Kaleb next year, or if not being one of the first players off the bench.
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Post by jwp91 on Mar 16, 2018 10:50:27 GMT -5
Pickett was the presumptive 2 this year and Kaleb the 3. Although it was a pretty meaningless distinction. Leblanc I think replaces Kaleb as the 3. If you consider Derrickson's outside shooting, he and Leblanc could be treated as interchangeable 3/4s. In any event, if Leblanc is good he will start over Kaleb, who, in my mind, is at best a 10-15 minute bench player, on a good NCAA team. It really was a meaningless distinction. Neither Pickett or Kaleb are really 2 guards, as they both need to improve on defending guards on the perimeter and improve their ball handling. I could see Leblanc starting over Kaleb next year, or if not being one of the first players off the bench. Agree. The only potential meaningful aspect might have been how PE chose match-ups on defense. There was a game or two when I had the sense he was trying to use Kaleb strategically on defense.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2018 11:44:48 GMT -5
Pickett was a SF this yr and will be again next yr. LeBlanc will be the 6th man. I would expect Ewing to recruit another guard. He is currently recruiting a juco guard guard. Wendell Mitchell, #1 player in the country for jucos... I don’t think our offense had specific enough positions to make the claim that Pickett played SF and Johnson played 2G. I think they were both wing players. Brad Stevens basically breaks everyone down into three categories: Ballhandler, Wing, Big. It's not quite position-less, but it eliminates the 2/3 distinction and the 4/5 distinction (or, maybe for some players and rosters, the 2/3/4 distinctions). I think that's a more realistic way to view roster construction these days. Even with those categories, there's overlap: Jessie and Marcus were our starting "bigs" this year, but they both do a lot of "wing" stuff. The game today isn't about having a clearly defined 1/2/3/4/5. I think it's more common these days to see teams field 1 handler, 1 big, and 3 wings.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Mar 16, 2018 22:05:40 GMT -5
Brad Stevens basically breaks everyone down into three categories: Ballhandler, Wing, Big. It's not quite position-less, but it eliminates the 2/3 distinction and the 4/5 distinction (or, maybe for some players and rosters, the 2/3/4 distinctions). You're not wrong, but it is pretty Celtics-fanny to credit Brad Stevens to that breakdown. That thinking has been around long before him. Our issue next year is going to be that there's a really good chance four of our five best players will include two wings and two bigs. It'll be a rotation of sorts where Pickett, Josh, MD and Govan all play strong minutes, but if they all play thirty minutes, they don't technically all have to be on the court together at all, even for a minute. I suspect that they will play together, and it will be our best lineup, but only against teams that don't apply pressure. Between foul trouble and injuries, it'll be played together less than people think.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Mar 16, 2018 22:10:50 GMT -5
Then, I would say we had zero ballhandlers this past season. 😋
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Post by SFHoya99 on Mar 16, 2018 22:14:25 GMT -5
Then, I would say we had zero ballhandlers this past season. 😋 It's not a completely invalid statement. I would say we had several, but none performed at a an average BE starter level.
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Post by MCIGuy on Mar 16, 2018 22:18:39 GMT -5
Pickett was a SF this yr and will be again next yr. LeBlanc will be the 6th man. I would expect Ewing to recruit another guard. He is currently recruiting a juco guard guard. Wendell Mitchell, #1 player in the country for jucos... Pickett is listed as guard on the official Hoya site. He was referred to a guard often by the media calling the game and the media covering the game. Granted he may not have always defended the opponents' two guards but he was certainly playing the role of shooting guard on offense far more than Johnson was and no amount of revisionism is going to change that. Now, you may not like Pickett at that position nor may you think he has a future at that spot. But for God's sakes can you stop claiming that your belief that he lacks guard skills indicates he wasn't actually playing the guard position considering the alternative, Kaleb Johnson, displays even less guard-like abilities.
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Post by calhoya on Mar 17, 2018 7:20:31 GMT -5
Pickett's ball-handling improved significantly by season's end, due in part to his extra work in the gym with Wallace. This kid's work ethic is going to lead to even more improvement over the summer. Also saw improvement in his defense and his willingness and ability to drive into the lane and not always settle for the 3. Clearly not be everything you want in a guard right now, but he is on the right track.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2018 16:14:37 GMT -5
Brad Stevens basically breaks everyone down into three categories: Ballhandler, Wing, Big. It's not quite position-less, but it eliminates the 2/3 distinction and the 4/5 distinction (or, maybe for some players and rosters, the 2/3/4 distinctions). You're not wrong, but it is pretty Celtics-fanny to credit Brad Stevens to that breakdown. That thinking has been around long before him. Not a Celtics fan, but I heard him talking about it recently and it was new to me. So I used him as a point of reference. Happy to credit whomever it was that thought of it first!
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Post by saxagael on Mar 19, 2018 20:42:26 GMT -5
You're not wrong, but it is pretty Celtics-fanny to credit Brad Stevens to that breakdown. That thinking has been around long before him. Not a Celtics fan, but I heard him talking about it recently and it was new to me. So I used him as a point of reference. Happy to credit whomever it was that thought of it first! Stevens uses ball handlers, wings, and bigs as his main framing for players. He wasn't the first as it has been used quite a bit in college for more than 5 years or so. Stevens was using that framing at Butler, but other mid-majors were as well. Many mid-majors talk about having one ball handler, 3 wings, and a big as their focus. The point can be run by a ball handler or wing in many programs, but usually stays with the traditional ball handler. The mid-majors often had to think this way as they had a tough time finding a big who was decent and mostly ran with guards and wings with little distinction between their positions nor roles other than having a guard / ball handler often running point. The old Cincinatti model was one ball handler and 4 wings who were all long and athletic (6'6" to 6'8"). Paul Westfall's small ball system like he ran at Loyola Marymount was the small ball model and often it gets described with the three position model, with the big as a 6th man. I remember hearing it described this way in the late 90s or early 00s. It would get brought up as position less description, but also with ball handler, wings, and occasionally a big. Steven is the one who popularized it in the NBA, but in college ball it has been around a while.
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Post by hoyarooter on Mar 20, 2018 19:03:28 GMT -5
Not a Celtics fan, but I heard him talking about it recently and it was new to me. So I used him as a point of reference. Happy to credit whomever it was that thought of it first! Stevens uses ball handlers, wings, and bigs as his main framing for players. He wasn't the first as it has been used quite a bit in college for more than 5 years or so. Stevens was using that framing at Butler, but other mid-majors were as well. Many mid-majors talk about having one ball handler, 3 wings, and a big as their focus. The point can be run by a ball handler or wing in many programs, but usually stays with the traditional ball handler. The mid-majors often had to think this way as they had a tough time finding a big who was decent and mostly ran with guards and wings with little distinction between their positions nor roles other than having a guard / ball handler often running point. The old Cincinatti model was one ball handler and 4 wings who were all long and athletic (6'6" to 6'8"). Paul Westfall's small ball system like he ran at Loyola Marymount was the small ball model and often it gets described with the three position model, with the big as a 6th man. I remember hearing it described this way in the late 90s or early 00s. It would get brought up as position less description, but also with ball handler, wings, and occasionally a big. Steven is the one who popularized it in the NBA, but in college ball it has been around a while. That's Paul Westhead, former Laker coach, not Paul Westphal, former USC and Celtic star. I think Westphal also ended up coaching in the NBA for a while, but he was not at Loyola.
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