swhoya
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Post by swhoya on Oct 18, 2017 6:58:18 GMT -5
You're wrong...Jagan was valedictorian of his class...academics were very important to him, and he may never get to the NBA (I hope he does)...as I just stated, both of our other recruits (Carter, LeBlanc) stated unequivocally that academics played a big role in their decisions...are these types of kids generally the rare exception, absolutely...but to assume that NONE of these kids or their famililies values or prioritizes education as a part of their decisions is terribly misguided... I never said that they didn't value education. I said that 99.9% of 5*/4* athletes have the NBA as there top priority and none know the difference between a Ivy league degree and a Cuse degree....Jagan is a rare case with both of his parents are college educated but I still don't believe he is choosing GTown because of whatever his major happens to be. The split may be closer but I would still say it is 70%(NBA)/30%(education) with Jagan while with most big time freshmen it is 95%/5%.... I would just hope that 99.5% of Georgetown graduates know the difference between there and their...or would at least have the sense to get it right when questioning the intelligence or priorities of high school kids...
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Post by blueandgray on Oct 18, 2017 7:30:00 GMT -5
This thread has devolved into a microcosm of what’s wrong with our country. Let’s keep focused on Fleming and hope that he’s not reading this thread.
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Post by Elvado on Oct 18, 2017 7:32:27 GMT -5
And off the rails goes another thread...
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bostonfan
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Post by bostonfan on Oct 18, 2017 7:36:04 GMT -5
This thread has evolved into a microcosm of what’s wrong with our country. Let’s keep focused on Fleming and hope that he’s not reading this thread. Could not agree more. Why kids select a certain university over others is a personal choice and is determined by many different things for each individual. I hope that whatever Coach Ewing and his staff and communicated to Javian are the things that are important to him and that he selects Georgetown. If he does not select Georgetown, for whatever reason, I will still wish him luck with that decision and hope he reaches the goals he has for himself.
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Post by centercourt400s on Oct 18, 2017 8:09:35 GMT -5
I think I may have unwittingly provided the opportunity for the derailment earlier... so let me get it back to my original point:
There are perfectly good reasons for a talented basketball recruit like Javian to consider both Alabama and Georgetown. His choice is surely influenced by a large number of things we can't know. However, there is one HUGE difference between the two programs that should jump out like a rattlesnake on a playground: one program is heavily involved in a national bribery scandal being investigated by the FBI, and one is not. Based on that alone, in the opinion of an outside observer, the choice should be clear.
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hoyazeke
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Post by hoyazeke on Oct 18, 2017 8:43:01 GMT -5
Wow I would never have drawn the conclusion that this was a commentary on African Americans. It comes across as kids who are focused on basketball instead of education and not appreciating the opportunity to advance their learning. That is easy - no one would challenge the assertion that they are focused on hoops, which is an uncontroversial thing to say. saying they can't understand the difference between schools is toxic. First seaweed I'm AA....I think you are taking my assertions too literally. Yes if you sit a athlete down and ask them if Harvard is a better school than State U they would say yes. He you ask most if the degree from UK is as valuable as the degree from GTown I believe they will say yes. This example goes for 4and5 star athletes because they believe that they are going pro anyway. That is why there are so many articles written about college graduates that can't get a job in there career field. They didn't understand that the school and major also matter.....I didn't know that at 17 and both my parents are college graduates.......this is my last post on this subject.....Come to GTown Mr. Fleming....
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Post by IDenj on Oct 18, 2017 8:51:06 GMT -5
Wow I would never have drawn the conclusion that this was a commentary on African Americans. It comes across as kids who are focused on basketball instead of education and not appreciating the opportunity to advance their learning. That is easy - no one would challenge the assertion that they are focused on hoops, which is an uncontroversial thing to say. saying they can't understand the difference between schools is toxic. Again I don’t see it that way at all. But if that’s what you’re looking to take out of it, so be it.
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hoyazeke
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Post by hoyazeke on Oct 18, 2017 9:18:29 GMT -5
I never said that they didn't value education. I said that 99.9% of 5*/4* athletes have the NBA as there top priority and none know the difference between a Ivy league degree and a Cuse degree....Jagan is a rare case with both of his parents are college educated but I still don't believe he is choosing GTown because of whatever his major happens to be. The split may be closer but I would still say it is 70%(NBA)/30%(education) with Jagan while with most big time freshmen it is 95%/5%.... I would just hope that 99.5% of Georgetown graduates know the difference between there and their...or would at least have the sense to get it right when questioning the intelligence or priorities of high school kids... I guess you with your GTown education have never mistyped on keyboard or phone......you got me.....I'm just a Liberty University graduate.....they don't teach us the difference between there their and they're......smh......
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Post by beenaround on Oct 18, 2017 10:01:16 GMT -5
I would just hope that 99.5% of Georgetown graduates know the difference between there and their...or would at least have the sense to get it right when questioning the intelligence or priorities of high school kids... I guess you with your GTown education have never mistyped on keyboard or phone......you got me.....I'm just a Liberty University graduate.....they don't teach us the difference between there their and they're......smh...... Zeke..you were stating an opinion as to what high level recruits really care about when picking a school. Your opinion is just as valid as anyone else's here. There was no need for personal attacks on you. Let's all just move on and get ready for a season where we can see if our most famous athletic alum can bring us back to greatness!
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Post by DanMcQ on Oct 18, 2017 11:27:52 GMT -5
MOD NOTE: Let's please try to keep the posts in this thread about a specific recruit on topic about that recruit (I know, novel concept). Those recruits actually do read sites like this. The side discussions about how recruits pick schools etc really belong in a separate thread. Thanks for your attempts to cooperate.
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Post by seaweed on Oct 18, 2017 12:42:00 GMT -5
That is easy - no one would challenge the assertion that they are focused on hoops, which is an uncontroversial thing to say. saying they can't understand the difference between schools is toxic. First seaweed I'm AA....I think you are taking my assertions too literally. Yes if you sit a athlete down and ask them if Harvard is a better school than State U they would say yes. He you ask most if the degree from UK is as valuable as the degree from GTown I believe they will say yes. This example goes for 4and5 star athletes because they believe that they are going pro anyway. That is why there are so many articles written about college graduates that can't get a job in there career field. They didn't understand that the school and major also matter.....I didn't know that at 17 and both my parents are college graduates.......this is my last post on this subject.....Come to GTown Mr. Fleming.... As stated above, not making any assertion that there is a race issue at play, just making the point that I find if insulting to say kids can't distinguish between schools. If reading your words in their natural and ordinary context is a mistake, then I am guilty. That said, I now better understand your position and agree with many who have stated that these decisions are often based on the 'wrong' factors or not fully understanding ALL the implications of the decision or all the opportunities (and limitations) at one school or another. I am fine with that claim - hell, I chose GU cause I had enjoyed watching the 82-85 Hoyas (except that one night, but it was too late by then and I sure as hell wasn't gonna go to VanillaNowhere anyway), not cause I carefully researched the academics - but don't tell me that is what the original post actually "said". If you say that's what it "meant", then we are all good. And back on topic, I want this kid to be a Hoya as much as anybody and totally agree that considering UofA in light of the FBI investigation is ludicrous. Come up to the Hilltop kid, be a HOYA at Big Man U and spend your college days learning from one of the best ever!!!
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bostonfan
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Post by bostonfan on Oct 18, 2017 13:50:32 GMT -5
Love the instincts on offense and how comfortable he looks with the ball in his hands even on the perimeter. Pretty advanced offensive game, not only scoring the ball but distributing the ball to open teammates. Wish he had more quickness/speed and think that might be a defensive issue in the Big East. He seems to be Ok defensively at the high school level, in these highlights, but not sure how that translates at the next level. No one knows how to play defense in the post better than Coach Ewing so I am confident he can coach him up to be a good defender. Hope he becomes a Hoya
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Post by centercourt400s on Oct 31, 2017 11:13:11 GMT -5
It has gotten very quiet in this thread recently...
Anyone have a sense if that is a good or bad sign? Maybe he wants to see a couple of Hoyas games under Ewing before making his decision?
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IDenj
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Post by IDenj on Oct 31, 2017 13:13:54 GMT -5
It has gotten very quiet in this thread recently... Anyone have a sense if that is a good or bad sign? Maybe he wants to see a couple of Hoyas games under Ewing before making his decision? I’d take it as a not so good sign. Glad the staff is still looking around.
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Post by FromTheBeginning on Oct 31, 2017 13:24:25 GMT -5
Or might just be waiting until the early signing period starts to close matters once and for all. This eliminates the hassle of having to deal with people trying to change you mind between commitment and signing an LOI.
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IDenj
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Post by IDenj on Oct 31, 2017 13:31:45 GMT -5
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Post by LCPolo18 on Oct 31, 2017 13:43:38 GMT -5
It has gotten very quiet in this thread recently... Anyone have a sense if that is a good or bad sign? Maybe he wants to see a couple of Hoyas games under Ewing before making his decision? I’d take it as a not so good sign. Glad the staff is still looking around. He was previously quoted as saying his decision would come in November at the earliest. Since he's already down to two schools and he's already taken his visits, I would assume things would be quiet until he makes his decision. "Fleming says the decision will probably come in November or December, and he’s not sure if he’ll sign early or not." -BamaOnLine
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