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Post by bostonfan on Jan 23, 2020 15:57:02 GMT -5
Notwithstanding the disastrous first 10 minutes, the reason why we lost yesterday is twofold: (1) Wide open three pointers at key times did not fall (e.g., Jagan missing at the end of the first half that would have cut the lead to 6; a couple towards the end of the game that would have made things tight with a few minutes to play); and (2) We got murdered on the boards. Once Ewing got the team to adjust to Xavier's somewhat surprise big line-up, the defense was actually pretty decent. Xavier just managed to kill us by getting a ton of O-boards. I'm not sure there was much that Ewing could have done about that--the fact is that having lost three players in the 6'7"-ish range, we are not a terribly big or physical team. Even so, if a couple threes at key moments fell, we could have won. Unfortunately they didn't fall yesterday. The rebounding thing is going to be a problem for us the rest of the year, and other coaches will copy the model used by MU and XU. The only possible solution may be to put Q and Yurt on the court at the same time--something Ewing has been loath to do so far. I think it could have worked yesterday as X is not a great perimeter shooting side, but in other situations it would leave us vulnerable. Ewing has to deal with the hand he was dealt (or the hand he dealt himself, depending on how you view things). I still think he has done a pretty impressive job considering the situation--but the X game seems to give the appearance that the mountain may just be too big to climb this year. I agree with these comments. The Hoyas competed hard last night and just did not make the big shots that they needed to make to get a win. They struggled early with that big lineup but then adjusted and the defense forced X to take, and make, some tough contested shots. Some of those 3's made by Marshall and the freshman were closely defended and they just made tough shots. On the other end, the Hoyas got some open shots, 3's and other shots attacking the rim, and they just did not fall for them. That is going to be a problem with the team for this year. If Mac and Yurt don't both score efficiently they are going to struggle because the rest of the guys are just not consistent scoring threats, especially on the road. The rebounding was a huge issue, but that is going to happen when your playing 3 smallish guards for most of the game. Pickett competed on the boards and I thought Q rebounded well, but Yurt was tentative going after rebounds once he got in foul trouble. that is also going to be an ongoing concern against teams that are physical and hit the offensive glass aggressively. I am disappointed they lost the game, but not totally surprised. The lack of depth that has some decent length at the wing position is a problem that is not going to go away until next season
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Post by kbones17 on Jan 23, 2020 16:08:42 GMT -5
Being a Georgetown fan has got me depressed. I’m glad we don’t have a game this weekend.
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Post by LCPolo18 on Jan 23, 2020 16:18:35 GMT -5
The biggest key to success in my view... I think that’s what Coach Crouch brings to the staff.
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Post by EtomicB on Jan 23, 2020 16:38:10 GMT -5
The biggest key to success in my view... I think that’s what Coach Crouch brings to the staff. I hope so, time will tell.
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Post by hoyainla on Jan 23, 2020 18:16:00 GMT -5
I know there are a lot of people on here that love the redshirt idea. I think in theory it is great if you can afford to do it. With that out of the way.
Does everyone think that George is actually better than Wilson right now? I don't think Wilson is anywhere near ready but George isn't either. Wilson didn't look lost in the Bahamas. He is very limited offensively but rebounded well. We could clearly use another PF and my guess is that is ultimately where he ends up because there is no need for 3 centers that close in age. I think it is kind of pointless to save his redshirt based on the defections and what we have for next year. I have made it known that I am not a fan of Ewing's "play for the future" strategy because as was shown this year you never know what is going to happen. You have to play the best guys and try to win every game you can until the tournament is no longer a possibility but if there was ever a time to get a guy experience and minutes are needed it would be now.
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Post by prhoya on Jan 23, 2020 18:20:26 GMT -5
I know there are a lot of people on here that love the redshirt idea. I think in theory it is great if you can afford to do it. With that out of the way. Does everyone think that George is actually better than Wilson right now? I don't think Wilson is anywhere near ready but George isn't either. Wilson didn't look lost in the Bahamas. He is very limited offensively but rebounded well. We could clearly use another PF and my guess is that is ultimately where he ends up because there is no need for 3 centers that close in age. I think it is kind of pointless to save his redshirt based on the defections and what we have for next year. I have made it known that I am not a fan of Ewing's "play for the future" strategy because as was shown this year you never know what is going to happen. You have to play the best guys and try to win every game you can until the tournament is no longer a possibility but if there was ever a time to get a guy experience and minutes are needed it would be now. 100% agree. Throw him in the mix. Malcolm will not be worse than George right now. We need help right now.
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Post by EtomicB on Jan 23, 2020 19:08:07 GMT -5
I know there are a lot of people on here that love the redshirt idea. I think in theory it is great if you can afford to do it. With that out of the way. Does everyone think that George is actually better than Wilson right now? I don't think Wilson is anywhere near ready but George isn't either. Wilson didn't look lost in the Bahamas. He is very limited offensively but rebounded well. We could clearly use another PF and my guess is that is ultimately where he ends up because there is no need for 3 centers that close in age. I think it is kind of pointless to save his redshirt based on the defections and what we have for next year. I have made it known that I am not a fan of Ewing's "play for the future" strategy because as was shown this year you never know what is going to happen. You have to play the best guys and try to win every game you can until the tournament is no longer a possibility but if there was ever a time to get a guy experience and minutes are needed it would be now. If you don't think the kid is near ready why play him? Posters were gung ho about Tim I. playing but now he hasn't played in the last 5 games. Was it worth a year of the kid's eligibility? Not in my view.
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Post by hoyainla on Jan 23, 2020 19:39:59 GMT -5
I know there are a lot of people on here that love the redshirt idea. I think in theory it is great if you can afford to do it. With that out of the way. Does everyone think that George is actually better than Wilson right now? I don't think Wilson is anywhere near ready but George isn't either. Wilson didn't look lost in the Bahamas. He is very limited offensively but rebounded well. We could clearly use another PF and my guess is that is ultimately where he ends up because there is no need for 3 centers that close in age. I think it is kind of pointless to save his redshirt based on the defections and what we have for next year. I have made it known that I am not a fan of Ewing's "play for the future" strategy because as was shown this year you never know what is going to happen. You have to play the best guys and try to win every game you can until the tournament is no longer a possibility but if there was ever a time to get a guy experience and minutes are needed it would be now. If you don't think the kid is near ready why play him? Posters were gung ho about Tim I. playing but now he hasn't played in the last 5 games. Was it worth a year of the kid's eligibility? Not in my view. Because he's better than the alternative and we greatly need an alternative. Plus based on what we have now he will be needed next year. If he is not that means he likely got recruited over and doesn't last 5 years here anyways so the redshirt only benefits someone else. I had no problem with him redshirting based on the original roster but that is out the window now.
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Post by madgesiq92 on Jan 23, 2020 21:04:48 GMT -5
If you don't think the kid is near ready why play him? Posters were gung ho about Tim I. playing but now he hasn't played in the last 5 games. Was it worth a year of the kid's eligibility? Not in my view. Because he's better than the alternative and we greatly need an alternative. Plus based on what we have now he will be needed next year. If he is not that means he likely got recruited over and doesn't last 5 years here anyways so the redshirt only benefits someone else. I had no problem with him redshirting based on the original roster but that is out the window now. I can’t imagine anyone that saw Wilson play in Kenner believes he is ready to play, and is capable of playing anywhere else than the 5 position in this current stage of his development. The answer is Yes, Muresan is more capable of filling in limited minutes at the 3 or 4 than Wilson. This is not an endorsement of Muresan, it’s just the truth. Now this may cause one to wonder why Pat brought in two project bigs that can only play the five when our other freshman recruit was a talented and developing five but that is a completely different question. Any of the comments that I’ve read in the last month suggesting that Ewing should throw Wilson out there as a mobile and athletic four to get him experience and mix things up are completely bonkers. Now I thought Wilson showed promise in Kenner but he doesn’t belong more than 5 feet from the basket at this stage, And his physicality would make Lee Scruggs look like John Turner. He is a no brainer as a redshirt.
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Post by EtomicB on Jan 23, 2020 21:04:57 GMT -5
If you don't think the kid is near ready why play him? Posters were gung ho about Tim I. playing but now he hasn't played in the last 5 games. Was it worth a year of the kid's eligibility? Not in my view. Because he's better than the alternative and we greatly need an alternative. Plus based on what we have now he will be needed next year. If he is not that means he likely got recruited over and doesn't last 5 years here anyways so the redshirt only benefits someone else. I had no problem with him redshirting based on the original roster but that is out the window now. What alternative are you referring to? Giving Wilson Georges minutes aren't worth much at all, he barely plays. If we were talking about him taking over at least 7 or 8 minutes per game, I'd be with you but for a few minutes every third game or so it's not worth it to me. No matter how it works out for a program redshirt a always work out for the player...
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Post by professorhoya on Jan 23, 2020 21:34:35 GMT -5
Notwithstanding the disastrous first 10 minutes, the reason why we lost yesterday is twofold: (1) Wide open three pointers at key times did not fall (e.g., Jagan missing at the end of the first half that would have cut the lead to 6; a couple towards the end of the game that would have made things tight with a few minutes to play); and (2) We got murdered on the boards. Once Ewing got the team to adjust to Xavier's somewhat surprise big line-up, the defense was actually pretty decent. Xavier just managed to kill us by getting a ton of O-boards. I'm not sure there was much that Ewing could have done about that--the fact is that having lost three players in the 6'7"-ish range, we are not a terribly big or physical team. Even so, if a couple threes at key moments fell, we could have won. Unfortunately they didn't fall yesterday. The rebounding thing is going to be a problem for us the rest of the year, and other coaches will copy the model used by MU and XU. The only possible solution may be to put Q and Yurt on the court at the same time--something Ewing has been loath to do so far. I think it could have worked yesterday as X is not a great perimeter shooting side, but in other situations it would leave us vulnerable. Ewing has to deal with the hand he was dealt (or the hand he dealt himself, depending on how you view things). I still think he has done a pretty impressive job considering the situation--but the X game seems to give the appearance that the mountain may just be too big to climb this year. Yeah that's the thing. If they are going to throw a big line up then the only way you can beat them with the small is to dribble penetrate and draw fouls and to be able to use speed to get wide open 3s and hit them. Everyone was off from 3 last night. You aren't going to win.
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Post by professorhoya on Jan 23, 2020 21:37:43 GMT -5
Because he's better than the alternative and we greatly need an alternative. Plus based on what we have now he will be needed next year. If he is not that means he likely got recruited over and doesn't last 5 years here anyways so the redshirt only benefits someone else. I had no problem with him redshirting based on the original roster but that is out the window now. What alternative are you referring to? Giving Wilson Georges minutes aren't worth much at all, he barely plays. If we were talking about him taking over at least 7 or 8 minutes per game, I'd be with you but for a few minutes every third game or so it's not worth it to me. No matter how it works out for a program redshirt a always work out for the player... I think Wilson can be an effective wing defender with his quickness, agility and length. He won't give you much on offense except maybe some o rebounds but I think he can really bother wings. Absolute worst case scenario he picks up 5 quick fouls and is off the court but that's better than letting 6-8 Saddiqu Bey shoot 3's over our best defender in 6-3 Jagan Mosley like he isn't even there.
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Post by theboardkatt on Jan 23, 2020 22:20:16 GMT -5
What alternative are you referring to? Giving Wilson Georges minutes aren't worth much at all, he barely plays. If we were talking about him taking over at least 7 or 8 minutes per game, I'd be with you but for a few minutes every third game or so it's not worth it to me. No matter how it works out for a program redshirt a always work out for the player... I think Wilson can be an effective wing defender with his quickness, agility and length. He won't give you much on offense except maybe some o rebounds but I think he can really bother wings. Absolute worst case scenario he picks up 5 quick fouls and is off the court but that's better than letting 6-8 Saddiqu Bey shoot 3's over our best defender in 6-3 Jagan Mosley like he isn't even there. He definitely has length and perhaps some quickness down low, but certainly not Lateral quickness needed to guard a wing on the perimeter. He’d get torched by every time by even mediocre wings. He needs to play within a step of the paint at all times for him to have any chance at recovering and getting a block from behind when his player drives. Malcolm even more than Tim I think has to play the 5, no way can Malcolm guard any other position. I think he has a lot of potential but agree with others that redshirting him is the way to go...
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Post by drquigley on Jan 23, 2020 22:22:21 GMT -5
We have 6 days to prepare for Butler. We'll be underdogs and will probably lose. But whether we win or lose I'd be really disappointed if we don't experiment with new (zone) defenses and different lineups. What's that about "doing the same thing and expecting different results"?
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Post by professorhoya on Jan 23, 2020 22:52:06 GMT -5
I think Wilson can be an effective wing defender with his quickness, agility and length. He won't give you much on offense except maybe some o rebounds but I think he can really bother wings. Absolute worst case scenario he picks up 5 quick fouls and is off the court but that's better than letting 6-8 Saddiqu Bey shoot 3's over our best defender in 6-3 Jagan Mosley like he isn't even there. He definitely has length and perhaps some quickness down low, but certainly not Lateral quickness needed to guard a wing on the perimeter. He’d get torched by every time by even mediocre wings. He needs to play within a step of the paint at all times for him to have any chance at recovering and getting a block from behind when his player drives. Malcolm even more than Tim I think has to play the 5, no way can Malcolm guard any other position. I think he has a lot of potential but agree with others that redshirting him is the way to go... How much worse can you get torched than giving up 8 threes to Sadie Bey. He shot 80%.
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Post by EtomicB on Jan 23, 2020 23:06:39 GMT -5
He definitely has length and perhaps some quickness down low, but certainly not Lateral quickness needed to guard a wing on the perimeter. He’d get torched by every time by even mediocre wings. He needs to play within a step of the paint at all times for him to have any chance at recovering and getting a block from behind when his player drives. Malcolm even more than Tim I think has to play the 5, no way can Malcolm guard any other position. I think he has a lot of potential but agree with others that redshirting him is the way to go... How much worse can you get torched than giving up 8 threes to Sadie Bey. He shot 80%. Do you really think the staff would sit a player they thought could cover players like Bey?
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jan 23, 2020 23:20:12 GMT -5
We have 6 days to prepare for Butler. We'll be underdogs and will probably lose. But whether we win or lose I'd be really disappointed if we don't experiment with new (zone) defenses and different lineups. What's that about "doing the same thing and expecting different results"? I agree with you, but nothing that we have seen over the past few years indicates that any drastic changes like that will happen. For the record, the limited amount of zone we have seen under Ewing has been pretty bad, so I am not sure it would help on defense anyway, but we are already defending the 3 so poorly, I am not sure a zone with holes would be that much worse. Butler will be a favorite, but not extreme. According to KenPom we are 44%, projection of a 71-69 Butler win. I think one could argue that overstates our odds of winning, but I think the spread will probably be similar when it comes out. If we play well and get a little bit of poor play from Butler, it's winnable. On the different lineups, I am not sure I agree. What else can Ewing do? I mean, he's got the 5 starters, Blair, and Wahab. There just aren't that many combinations out there. Maybe we will see Tim Ighoefe if there's foul trouble. When we had our full roster, I complained plenty about the lineups (the full lineup changes...remember those quaint days?), but I really don't think we can do much here. I know a lot of people want to see the "twin towers" type of lineups, but we don't have the roster for that, as we have a bunch of 5's and no 4's other than Pickett (who is really closer to a 3).
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Post by dchoya72 on Jan 24, 2020 5:05:42 GMT -5
Our roster limits the viable options we have. Since Igohefe has played and can no longer be red-shirted,include him in the rotation. Use what we have...maybe we are! However at this point I would not play Wilson. His rhythm and coordination (footwork) need further development. He must eat, jump rope, dance and box as much as possible!!
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Post by madgesiq92 on Jan 24, 2020 8:01:29 GMT -5
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