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Post by KHoyaNYC on Jan 24, 2018 22:58:27 GMT -5
I had no problem with any of his attempts tonight. I was just really surprised how ugly those first 5 shots came out of his hand. No height, no legs, most barely hit rim... just bad looking shots. Kid's not afraid, though. He's got a role. That was my problem. His form was off. So don't fire up 8 of them. I think that is his form - ball literally comes from the side of his waste (but I don't agree that he was chucking).
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2018 22:58:48 GMT -5
I had no problem with any of his attempts tonight. I was just really surprised how ugly those first 5 shots came out of his hand. No height, no legs, most barely hit rim... just bad looking shots. Kid's not afraid, though. He's got a role. That was my problem. His form was off. So don't fire up 8 of them. That's not realistic. If you're JB and you get a good look, you take the shot - whether you've missed your last 5 or made them. He wasn't forcing anything.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jan 24, 2018 23:01:49 GMT -5
If Pickett was 1-8 people would be roasting him.
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Post by EtomicB on Jan 24, 2018 23:02:40 GMT -5
1-8 is chucking. I realize we have few options if Jessie is off, but Jacob keeps firing even if he is off. Of course I liked it when he hit one. I would have really liked it if he did not miss seven, maybe let Pickett or Marcus shoot some of those shots. So you're telling us you didn't want Blair to shoot the shot that put Gtown up 1 late in the game? That doesn't make sense to me.. Blair's role is to provide offense off the bench, sure he was off tonight but he had good looks..
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jan 24, 2018 23:04:34 GMT -5
That was my problem. His form was off. So don't fire up 8 of them. That's not realistic. If you're JB and you get a good look, you take the shot - whether you've missed your last 5 or made them. He wasn't forcing anything. A couple of them were taken too quickly. I mean, I would rather have a young guy willing to take shots than hesitant, but you have to recognize when you are off, and limit your shots, maybe take it to the rim instead.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Jan 24, 2018 23:16:45 GMT -5
Shooters gonna shoot.
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Post by hoyazeke on Jan 24, 2018 23:48:20 GMT -5
The problem with his shots in the 2nd half(even his 1 make) was that he should have been deferring to Marcus or Marko. They were on fire so you keep going to them until they lose it. It is not a coincidence that both, Marko and Marcus, cooled after Juggy came in the game. For example, remember when Maric had a open drive to the rim in the 1st half but when the D came to him he passed to an open Cain instead of shooting a semi-contested shot. It would have been a good shot but Cain's was better. It's ok to pass up a shot to get a better shot.............
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Post by EtomicB on Jan 25, 2018 0:18:45 GMT -5
The problem with his shots in the 2nd half(even his 1 make) was that he should have been deferring to Marcus or Marko. They were on fire so you keep going to them until they lose it. It is not a coincidence that both, Marko and Marcus, cooled after Juggy came in the game. For example, remember when Maric had a open drive to the rim in the 1st half but when the D came to him he passed to an open Cain instead of shooting a semi-contested shot. It would have been a good shot but Cain's was better. It's ok to pass up a shot to get a better shot............. Blair came in when the team was down 12 early in the 2nd half though Zeke, so he was in the game when Gtown went on that big run led by Derrickson & Pickett..
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2018 7:36:19 GMT -5
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jan 25, 2018 7:48:25 GMT -5
Of course he only took 2 shots a game😉
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2018 8:00:58 GMT -5
Of course he only took 2 shots a game😉 True, but that's because he had the luxury of being brought on slowly. Morko and Blair don't have that, that's why I'm not overly critical of their game. I do think you are right though regarding last night, but we kind of have to live with some of the bad/quick shots because we don't have many viable threats from the outside. On a good team 2 freshman shooting around 35% from the field would get minutes like Markel got his rookie season. If Markel was forced to play minutes like Marko or Blair, folks would have questioned his ability to contribute in the future also imo. Pickett also falls victim to the expectations game. Most people assumed he would be a factor while they didn't think Blair would be. Overall their numbers are remarkably similar, but it's better to be a pleasant surprise than a slight disappointment in the perceptions game...
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jan 25, 2018 8:07:13 GMT -5
Very true. Jiggy has been inconsistent like most frosh. His role is to inject offense off the bench. I just want to see him learn to recognize when he is off and then limit his shots, build his game so he can contribute in other ways. He has potential to be a solid, occasionally spectacular 6th man.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Jan 25, 2018 8:07:51 GMT -5
IMO, Markel looked like a deer in the headlights his freshman year, but one could tell that he had game and would get better. I thought III did a great job of developing Markel.
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Post by bostonfan on Jan 25, 2018 9:02:56 GMT -5
Very true. Jiggy has been inconsistent like most frosh. His role is to inject offense off the bench. I just want to see him learn to recognize when he is off and then limit his shots, build his game so he can contribute in other ways. He has potential to be a solid, occasionally spectacular 6th man. Blair had a tough night shooting it last night, but that is going to happen with younger players sometimes. His job on this team is to come in and provide scoring, to do that he has to search out his shot and take shots when they are available. I don't think he took bad shots last night, they just did not go in for him. His form looked like it always does. I wish he made a few more last night, because if he did the Hoyas win that game, but I will give him credit for taking the open shots when they showed for him. The kid is a scorer and you have to let him shoot.
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Post by KHoyaNYC on Jan 25, 2018 9:14:08 GMT -5
Very true. Jiggy has been inconsistent like most frosh. His role is to inject offense off the bench. I just want to see him learn to recognize when he is off and then limit his shots, build his game so he can contribute in other ways. He has potential to be a solid, occasionally spectacular 6th man. Blair had a tough night shooting it last night, but that is going to happen with younger players sometimes. His job on this team is to come in and provide scoring, to do that he has to search out his shot and take shots when they are available. I don't think he took bad shots last night, they just did not go in for him. His form looked like it always does. I wish he made a few more last night, because if he did the Hoyas win that game, but I will give him credit for taking the open shots when they showed for him. The kid is a scorer and you have to let him shoot. Agree 100%. As long as the shots are good (and except for 1 last night they were good).
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Post by the_way on Jan 25, 2018 9:19:05 GMT -5
IMO, Markel looked like a deer in the headlights his freshman year, but one could tell that he had game and would get better. I thought III did a great job of developing Markel. I'm not sure if you could tell that he had game his 1st two years here. There was an expectation that he would develop. Like the expectation there was later on with Tre Campbell. However, Markel looked he was going to be another Vee Sanford his first 2 years here. Looked like he was going the route of guards that didn't pan out under JTII. The player he became vs the player he was his first 2 years was like night and day. Like you said, III did a masterful job of developing Markel. Blair looks farther along than Markel as a freshman. I like Blair's moxie and no conscience when it comes to shooting the basket. He is unapologetic (especially for a Canadian ) when it comes to shooting the basketball.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Jan 25, 2018 11:03:31 GMT -5
Agree that you have to let shooters shoot. Pickett missed his first few and then got hot. I hate coaches who pull a shooter after a few misses. It wrecks their confidence which is critical. Cameron and Copeland would have thrived under Ewing IMHO.
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Post by KHoyaNYC on Jan 25, 2018 12:26:46 GMT -5
Agree that you have to let shooters shoot. Pickett missed his first few and then got hot. I hate coaches who pull a shooter after a few misses. It wrecks their confidence which is critical. Cameron and Copeland would have thrived under Ewing IMHO. Funny I had the same thought about Cameron. Good point.
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Post by hoyainla on Jan 25, 2018 13:09:52 GMT -5
If we are being honest Blair has been pretty awful in conference. He doesn't lack confidence,unlike Pickett until the last 2 games, and seemingly has been given a green light by Pat for some reason which has helped him put up some numbers. He's not efficient, and doesn't really bring too much else to the table other than scoring. That said he's about what you would expect from a 3 star freshman recruit being throw into immediate action. He will grow as he gets stronger and hopefully he dedicates more time to other aspects of his game.
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Post by OldHoyafan on Jan 25, 2018 14:35:36 GMT -5
To be honest we have to give a lot of the credit for his misses to the DePaul defense. They recognized his skiddish handle from the last game and stayed in his chest the whole game. He had very little time to shoot even coming off picks. DePaul played like a team that needed a win on the road last night and that coupled with Cain’s career night gave them the victory. It takes extra effort to double and triple team the post and yet not give up wide open 3pt shots. They gave that effort. Patrick wanted his team to match that effort.
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