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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Apr 12, 2017 21:51:51 GMT -5
You will undoubtedly be disappointed. Whichever posts you deem to be irresponsible apparently met Board rules and should not otherwise be censored. People had strong feelings about this issue and this is the place where they expressed those feelings. I find it hard to believe that other fan sites are any different, so recruits looking for a kinder gentler fan base will be hard pressed to find one. Who is suggesting censorship? Clearly everyone has a right to say whatever they want as long as it is within the Board rules. And I am not saying our fan base is any worse than others. However, in this instance, I think some went way overboard. And most of what I am saying is aimed at Casual Hoya, which used the site to promote their JT3 agenda over several months, including resorting to some incredibly sketchy "reporting." Yes, we should move on. I am not looking to re-litigate whether JT3 should have been fired. That is done and over. But, I think it's far to state an opinion about the way in which certain people acted, especially since the same behavior in the future could have ill effects.
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miracles87
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Post by miracles87 on Apr 12, 2017 22:03:49 GMT -5
Can we just stop with this? I don't know why he chose to decommit. You don't either. It may have been the tweets, it may have been the fans, it may have been the losing, it may have been things he heard from the players. You don't know, so stop proclaiming that it MUST must be the reason you think it is. And even if you're right...just stop. It's over. Time to move forward. Thank you Thank you Thank you You're welcome! One of those was for me, right? No? Tremont, if you're reading this thread, pardon our mess! Working through some things, nothing to be concerned about. None of us begrudge your de-commitment, and we all wish you the best of success going forward, whatever your decision (Cuse or UConn would make it tough, though). All of us are hoping you'll come here, we are all giddy with the prospect of watching you play ball and being a huge part of Georgetown's new era of success. LET'S GO HOYAS!!!
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Post by sleepy on Apr 12, 2017 22:12:46 GMT -5
The real question is how much did the message board/casual Hoya/booing and chanting fire III at games( starting at game 3) contribute to awful season/toxiticy of the program?
Is CasualHoya one of the worst things to happen to Georgetown basketball?
It would be an interesting perspective to look into.
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Post by miracles87 on Apr 12, 2017 22:50:18 GMT -5
The real question is how much did the message board/casual Hoya/booing and chanting fire III at games( starting at game 3) contribute to awful season/toxiticy of the program? Is CasualHoya one of the worst things to happen to Georgetown basketball? It would be an interesting perspective to look into. That is a real question. Probably shouldn't be discussed here though. Tremont Waters has absolutely nothing to do with the recent saga, except that he was the big recruit when it when down. Tremont is not involved. We should move this discussion to the newly created section of Hoyatalk, tucked in between Blue and Grey and 37th and O, the Exorcist Stairs. On this thread, we should focus on the unlimited potential Tremont Waters has for success here at Georgetown, with the considerable remaining talent, the guaranteed surge in recruiting, and his once in a generation skills.
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Post by guru on Apr 12, 2017 22:54:34 GMT -5
The real question is how much did the message board/casual Hoya/booing and chanting fire III at games( starting at game 3) contribute to awful season/toxiticy of the program? Is CasualHoya one of the worst things to happen to Georgetown basketball? It would be an interesting perspective to look into. The past season went south in the closing minutes of the Maryland game in November, and then the Arkansas State loss at McDonough. Not sure how you can blame the message board for the cavalcade of errors in coaching and execution that led to those defeats. Casual Hoya is tamer than 90 percent of other college sports fan base online communities. If its emergence over the past few years contributed to the demise of the program, perhaps Georgetown has no business competing in the modern era of big time college sports.
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Post by miracles87 on Apr 12, 2017 23:10:21 GMT -5
If Tremont comes to Georgetown, Jessie is going to be doing a lot of dunking of the basketball thru the hoop.
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Post by sleepy on Apr 12, 2017 23:14:35 GMT -5
The real question is how much did the message board/casual Hoya/booing and chanting fire III at games( starting at game 3) contribute to awful season/toxiticy of the program? Is CasualHoya one of the worst things to happen to Georgetown basketball? It would be an interesting perspective to look into. The past season went south in the closing minutes of the Maryland game in November, and then the Arkansas State loss at McDonough. Not sure how you can blame the message board for the cavalcade of errors in coaching and execution that led to those defeats. Casual Hoya is tamer than 90 percent of other college sports fan base online communities. If its emergence over the past few years contributed to the demise of the program, perhaps Georgetown has no business competing in the modern era of big time college sports. There is a difference between message board criticism and chanting for the coach during the 3rd game of the season. If the loudest voices in a very small community are critics for their own self promotion/agenda , as opposed to fans first, critics second, that is always going to be a huge issue. But the platform can give a voice and credibility to some really entitled, off base, and uninformed "fans" while also influencing the general vibe around the program. Based on the basketball and journalistic credentials( or lack there of) on that site, I'm not sure anyone should be comfortable with that. You can argue the effect these platforms have on the program shouldn't be as drastic as they are. But I'd be interested in knowing the true effect.
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Post by lurkerhoya on Apr 12, 2017 23:31:15 GMT -5
Always go with the simplest explanation:
Yes, Tremont reads Casual Hoya.
Casual Hoya wants the team to deliver pizzas to Roey.
Ergo, Tremont intuited that Roey would demand this pizza sacrifice two weeks before he actually did and decided he would not partake.
Mystery solved.
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Post by iowa80 on Apr 12, 2017 23:50:08 GMT -5
The real question is how much did the message board/casual Hoya/booing and chanting fire III at games( starting at game 3) contribute to awful season/toxiticy of the program? Is CasualHoya one of the worst things to happen to Georgetown basketball? It would be an interesting perspective to look into. How though? I don't find issues that have no clear answer and are essentially a matter of opinion particularly interesting. The program is in far worse shape than it has been in many years. That, to me, is a provable statement. The buck stops at the top. That might be a matter of opinion, but I don't think so.
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Apr 13, 2017 5:26:56 GMT -5
Can we all agree it speaks well of JTIII, Pat, amd Tremont that Georgetown seems to be legitimately still in the mix (though the article and the video seem to contradict each other somewhat)?
I think if its Creighton, UConn, and Georgetown ultimately we still have a very good chance. He didn't commit the first time because of our guard-showcasing offense and he doesn't seem married to JTIII as a coach. He seems like he committed to Georgetown once, and might do it again. So we'll see how the rest of the recruiting season shakes out. There are a lot of uncommitted players out there which will have an impact on where he decides.
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Post by seaweed on Apr 13, 2017 6:27:26 GMT -5
I didn't take that video to be nearly as negative as some people did. And everybody should remember, whether AI can go out on recruiting visits or not, we're the only school that can have him show up in the gym once the kid is committed and on campus. I understand why Tremont decommitted I think there's a strong chance that he recommits. The two things he focuses on in the video or coaching continuity and a path to the NBA. We are strong in both of those categories.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Apr 13, 2017 7:27:28 GMT -5
Yeah not an encouraging video. That being said Duke, Kentucky, and Kansas have no interest in him, so think he's in for a bit of harsh realization. I think he was expecting everyone to be all over him when he decommitted and that hasn't happened. I think there's a small chance he recommits because he realizes the grass isn't greener and he doesn't have all these great options he thought he would. Why would you say Duke, Kentucky and Kansas "have no interest in him"? The recruiting insiders have said that 1) Kansas doesn't have interest 2) There have been no reports that Duke or Kentucky have reached out at all. All 3 of those teams already have PGs who he would likely be behind so going there doesn't make much sense when he sees himself as leaving after 1-2 years.
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Post by tashoya on Apr 13, 2017 7:29:09 GMT -5
Can we all agree it speaks well of JTIII, Pat, amd Tremont that Georgetown seems to be legitimately still in the mix (though the article and the video seem to contradict each other somewhat)? I think if its Creighton, UConn, and Georgetown ultimately we still have a very good chance. He didn't commit the first time because of our guard-showcasing offense and he doesn't seem married to JTIII as a coach. He seems like he committed to Georgetown once, and might do it again. So we'll see how the rest of the recruiting season shakes out. There are a lot of uncommitted players out there which will have an impact on where he decides. I'm with you. The past is the past. The relationship, apparently, hasn't completely soured and that speaks well of both parties, IMO. Moving forward, we have a new HC that's high on potential but short on track record at the college level. There's much more reason for optimism in terms of drastic changes on the floor with the new personnel. Maybe Tremont wants to be part of that and maybe he doesn't. The fact that he decommitted doesn't matter. What matters is his recruitment now. He's being recruited by a different program at this point and he'd be a huge get both for the on-floor product and for the vote of confidence it'd show for the new staff.
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Post by hoyaboya on Apr 13, 2017 8:33:45 GMT -5
Why would you say Duke, Kentucky and Kansas "have no interest in him"? The recruiting insiders have said that 1) Kansas doesn't have interest 2) There have been no reports that Duke or Kentucky have reached out at all. All 3 of those teams already have PGs who he would likely be behind so going there doesn't make much sense when he sees himself as leaving after 1-2 years. Not sure what "recruiting insiders" you're paying attention to, but this was from just yesterday: @jeffborzello Tremont Waters mentioned Creighton, Kansas and UConn have reached out. Also still considering Georgetown, recently met with Patrick Ewing.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Apr 13, 2017 8:43:55 GMT -5
The recruiting insiders have said that 1) Kansas doesn't have interest 2) There have been no reports that Duke or Kentucky have reached out at all. All 3 of those teams already have PGs who he would likely be behind so going there doesn't make much sense when he sees himself as leaving after 1-2 years. Not sure what "recruiting insiders" you're paying attention to, but this was from just yesterday: @jeffborzello Tremont Waters mentioned Creighton, Kansas and UConn have reached out. Also still considering Georgetown, recently met with Patrick Ewing. Zagoria: "Nah Kansas has no interest." "No the staff will not recruit him." Kansas just got Graham back from the draft and get Malik Newman elligible. Also already bringing in a PG in this class. He won't start at Kansas. They might show interest in Waters after the Duval decision, but sounds like Waters doesn't want to wait for that.
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Post by hoyacane11 on Apr 13, 2017 8:49:52 GMT -5
Not sure what "recruiting insiders" you're paying attention to, but this was from just yesterday: @jeffborzello Tremont Waters mentioned Creighton, Kansas and UConn have reached out. Also still considering Georgetown, recently met with Patrick Ewing. Zagoria: "Nah Kansas has no interest." "No the staff will not recruit him." Kansas just got Graham back from the draft and get Malik Newman elligible. Also already bringing in a PG in this class. He won't start at Kansas. They might show interest in Waters after the Duval decision, but sounds like Waters doesn't want to wait for that. Nice, come on back kid!
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Apr 13, 2017 8:50:06 GMT -5
Waters will have the ball in his hands from day-one here and will not be recruited over. He can showcase his talents in a fast pace offense in Iverson's number 3 jersey.
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Post by Filo on Apr 13, 2017 9:06:44 GMT -5
Waters will have the ball in his hands from day-one here and will not be recruited over. He can showcase his talents in a fast pace offense in Iverson's number 3 jersey. I am not optimistic, but that is the selling point now, isn't it!? I mean, he was sold on GU previously, so not the selling point is Ewing instituting an NBA offense, and a program rebuilding that needs someone to lead it. As much as we have lamented the cupboard being bare, there are some decent pieces in place, with some big "ifs' obviously (if Mosely can work on his jumper, Govan can bulk up (and strengthen those hands), Derrickson get get back to concentrating on his inside game, rather than jacking up threes, etc.).
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Post by prhoya on Apr 13, 2017 9:18:13 GMT -5
The Jordan Classic is tomorrow. Tremont is probably weighing whether there is interest for him from the top programs versus playing time in those programs. Duke, Kentucky and Kansas will recruit the best players each year, regardless of position. Waters could find himself buried deep or being one of the yearly transfers of those programs.
Talking about the Jordan Classic, there are six undecided players. Maybe Ewing should swing by and run into AI, Dikembe, Zo and Othella there.
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Post by hoyaboya on Apr 13, 2017 9:48:22 GMT -5
Not sure what "recruiting insiders" you're paying attention to, but this was from just yesterday: @jeffborzello Tremont Waters mentioned Creighton, Kansas and UConn have reached out. Also still considering Georgetown, recently met with Patrick Ewing. Zagoria: "Nah Kansas has no interest." "No the staff will not recruit him." Kansas just got Graham back from the draft and get Malik Newman elligible. Also already bringing in a PG in this class. He won't start at Kansas. They might show interest in Waters after the Duval decision, but sounds like Waters doesn't want to wait for that. Those quotes you listed are dated. Borzello's tweet is from yesterday and specifically mentioned what Tremont himself said, which includes that Kansas is among teams that "have reached out". Certainly an argument can be made that Waters isn't a good fit at Kansas, but you're being purposefully inaccurate when you say that Kansas isn't interested.
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