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Post by jld54 on Apr 12, 2017 16:54:16 GMT -5
I respectfully suggest that members of this board stop rehashing the past. I believe that we are in a great spot to even have Tremont Waters reconsider GU after all that happened.
Choosing a college is a critical issue in any young person's life, especially a high-level D1 athlete. We know that this young man folllows social media, and likely this site. If I were him or his parents, the last thing I would want to see is supposed Hoya faithful bickering like children over who was right or wrong about past tweets and articles, and the impact it may have had.
What is done with JT3 is done. To hear that we are still in the running is great. Why don't we stop the petty sniping, and just let the decision play out. We will never know what motivates a given student's decision, nor should we.
I will be very happy as a GU fan if Waters recommits. I think GU is a special place and hope he joins the community. I also respect a decision to go elsewhere. But acting like fools on this board will not move us towards this end.
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Post by HometownHoya on Apr 12, 2017 17:01:18 GMT -5
Huh? Read the 3rd tweet. Waters said Ewing told him we would be running an NBA style offense. JT3 Also said we would be running a different offense this year.for the most part that didnt happen... You're comparing a guy who had coached one system and was trying to change to a more modern system to a guy that has only coached in NBA systems his entire career and insinuating they are both liars? Ooook.
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Post by prhoya on Apr 12, 2017 17:55:55 GMT -5
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Post by SDHoya on Apr 12, 2017 18:07:46 GMT -5
Well, that video is not promising.
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Post by hoyainla on Apr 12, 2017 18:36:31 GMT -5
The butt hurt JT3 crowd will latch onto anything to cape up for their man. The only reason Tremont is even a possibility of coming to Georgetown is because of the social media/internet/whoever uproar that got JT3 fired. JT3 sold Tremont a bill of goods, which Tremont clearly bought into, and did not follow up his words with actions. This board and everyone else praised Tremont and anointed him the savior. Based on the quote from Tremont, he didn't ask for his release because JT3 "did not follow up his words with actions", he asked for his release because he thought JT3 would get fired within the next four years (which was based on fan and media sentiment). Yeah because Im sure he would really say yeah JT3 pretty much lied to me. The unsure if he would be fired stuff is the politically correct answer. I guess if you want the kid to burn bridges though he could have told the truth which was the style of play did not change and the program was in a downtrend. As many have noted the fire JT3 stuff was around way before he committed.
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Post by iheartdurenbros on Apr 12, 2017 18:38:54 GMT -5
That video tempers expectations. Really sounds like education is not a priority and he sees himself leaving school quickly. Time will tell, but he doesn't sound like he will be a future Hoya to me.
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Post by miracles87 on Apr 12, 2017 19:06:55 GMT -5
I must say, Tremont comes off as a very intelligent and humble young man. I'll be rooting for him no matter where he goes. Well, almost... Made me smile when he said he was looking for his future Coach to be genuine, no wonder he came with us in the first place. Who knows for the future, but Patrick won't be blowing smoke up anyone's Chucks, that's for sure.
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Post by the_way on Apr 12, 2017 19:29:58 GMT -5
I must say, Tremont comes off as a very intelligent and humble young man. I'll be rooting for him no matter where he goes. Well, almost... Made me smile when he said he was looking for his future Coach to be genuine, no wonder he came with us in the first place. Who knows for the future, but Patrick won't be blowing smoke up anyone's Chucks, that's for sure. Chucks?
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Apr 12, 2017 20:03:09 GMT -5
Yeah not an encouraging video. That being said Duke, Kentucky, and Kansas have no interest in him, so think he's in for a bit of harsh realization. I think he was expecting everyone to be all over him when he decommitted and that hasn't happened. I think there's a small chance he recommits because he realizes the grass isn't greener and he doesn't have all these great options he thought he would.
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Post by hoyaboya on Apr 12, 2017 20:11:48 GMT -5
Yeah not an encouraging video. That being said Duke, Kentucky, and Kansas have no interest in him, so think he's in for a bit of harsh realization. I think he was expecting everyone to be all over him when he decommitted and that hasn't happened. I think there's a small chance he recommits because he realizes the grass isn't greener and he doesn't have all these great options he thought he would. Why would you say Duke, Kentucky and Kansas "have no interest in him"?
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Post by drquigley on Apr 12, 2017 20:22:32 GMT -5
This discussion highlights what is wrong with college basketball today. This kid is looking for a career in the NBA. Why in the world go to a school like GU, where he will be required to actually attend college, rather than a school like UNC or Kentucky where he can show off his skills by playing with guys who feel the same way and who play at the same level while not being required to seriously study. Until we become like those schools -- which I hope will be never -- we will have a nearly impossible time trying to recruit 5 star talent. So let's get real. PE needs to find some talented kids (and their parents) who buy into the idea of going to a great school and getting a quality education while developing their talent under the tutelage of an NBA Hall of Famer. It can be done, e.g. Nova, Gonzaga, etc. If we find that rare 5 star kid who will buy into our program great. But let's not blame ourselves if he decides not to.
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Post by hoya2x2010 on Apr 12, 2017 20:35:26 GMT -5
This discussion highlights what is wrong with college basketball today. This kid is looking for a career in the NBA. Why in the world go to a school like GU, where he will be required to actually attend college, rather than a school like UNC or Kentucky where he can show off his skills by playing with guys who feel the same way and who play at the same level while not being required to seriously study. Until we become like those schools -- which I hope will be never -- we will have a nearly impossible time trying to recruit 5 star talent. So let's get real. PE needs to find some talented kids (and their parents) who buy into the idea of going to a great school and getting a quality education while developing their talent under the tutelage of an NBA Hall of Famer. It can be done, e.g. Nova, Gonzaga, etc. If we find that rare 5 star kid who will buy into our program great. But let's not blame ourselves if he decides not to. Can we stop with this "our players actually study" excuse. Georgetown offers basketball players an opportunity to study and learn if they choose to take advantage. It does not require them to do anything other than show up to class.
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Post by Eurostar on Apr 12, 2017 20:41:45 GMT -5
This discussion highlights what is wrong with college basketball today. This kid is looking for a career in the NBA. Why in the world go to a school like GU, where he will be required to actually attend college, rather than a school like UNC or Kentucky where he can show off his skills by playing with guys who feel the same way and who play at the same level while not being required to seriously study. Until we become like those schools -- which I hope will be never -- we will have a nearly impossible time trying to recruit 5 star talent. So let's get real. PE needs to find some talented kids (and their parents) who buy into the idea of going to a great school and getting a quality education while developing their talent under the tutelage of an NBA Hall of Famer. It can be done, e.g. Nova, Gonzaga, etc. If we find that rare 5 star kid who will buy into our program great. But let's not blame ourselves if he decides not to. This is ridiculous. Its not "wrong" for CBB players to want to play in the NBA. We have had several players go to the NBA in the past 10 years, including many who left early. Guys on the basketball team certainly have tutors and most aren't taking Econometrics. There are easy classes at Georgetown too... trust me, I took some of them. I think studying once in a while and being a successful college bball player with aspirations to leave in 1-3 years for the NBA are not mutually exclusive. Many schools walk this tight rope including Duke, Villanova, Gonzaga, Notre Dame, UVA, etc. Georgetown is not unique in this.
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Post by TC on Apr 12, 2017 20:45:34 GMT -5
This discussion highlights what is wrong with college basketball today. This kid is looking for a career in the NBA. Why in the world go to a school like GU, where he will be required to actually attend college, rather than a school like UNC or Kentucky where he can show off his skills by playing with guys who feel the same way and who play at the same level while not being required to seriously study. Until we become like those schools -- which I hope will be never -- we will have a nearly impossible time trying to recruit 5 star talent. So let's get real. PE needs to find some talented kids (and their parents) who buy into the idea of going to a great school and getting a quality education while developing their talent under the tutelage of an NBA Hall of Famer. It can be done, e.g. Nova, Gonzaga, etc. If we find that rare 5 star kid who will buy into our program great. But let's not blame ourselves if he decides not to. This isn't Nerlens Noel or Ivan Rabb or whatever top 10 talent we've chased ridiculously for the last 8 years with really no chance of getting. This kid was committed and bought into all of what you just said. The fanbase absolutely blew all of that up in getting JT3 fired and in the way they went about things. So why shouldn't we blame the fanbase at large if he decides not to come? He had a relationship with JT3 and his staff, the fanbase spent months torching JT3. Patrick Ewing's a guy he doesn't know who's never been a head coach. This is one situation where you absolutely cannot put it on the kid if he decides not to come and explain it away like he only cares about making the NBA and doesn't care about academics. This season's team scores 10 more points and wins three or more games, and we're not having this conversation.
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Post by prhoya on Apr 12, 2017 21:09:32 GMT -5
This kid was committed and bought into all of what you just said. The fanbase absolutely blew all of that up in getting JT3 fired and in the way they went about things. So why shouldn't we blame the fanbase at large if he decides not to come? He had a relationship with JT3 and his staff, the fanbase spent months torching JT3. Patrick Ewing's a guy he doesn't know who's never been a head coach. Are you choosing to ignore the video of his interview/actual words over someone else's tweets of his words?
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Post by drquigley on Apr 12, 2017 21:11:49 GMT -5
This discussion highlights what is wrong with college basketball today. This kid is looking for a career in the NBA. Why in the world go to a school like GU, where he will be required to actually attend college, rather than a school like UNC or Kentucky where he can show off his skills by playing with guys who feel the same way and who play at the same level while not being required to seriously study. Until we become like those schools -- which I hope will be never -- we will have a nearly impossible time trying to recruit 5 star talent. So let's get real. PE needs to find some talented kids (and their parents) who buy into the idea of going to a great school and getting a quality education while developing their talent under the tutelage of an NBA Hall of Famer. It can be done, e.g. Nova, Gonzaga, etc. If we find that rare 5 star kid who will buy into our program great. But let's not blame ourselves if he decides not to. This isn't Nerlens Noel or Ivan Rabb or whatever top 10 talent we've chased ridiculously for the last 8 years with really no chance of getting. This kid was committed and bought into all of what you just said. The fanbase absolutely blew all of that up in getting JT3 fired and in the way they went about things. So why shouldn't we blame the fanbase at large if he decides not to come? He had a relationship with JT3 and his staff, the fanbase spent months torching JT3. Patrick Ewing's a guy he doesn't know who's never been a head coach. This is one situation where you absolutely cannot put it on the kid if he decides not to come and explain it away like he only cares about making the NBA and doesn't care about academics. This season's team scores 10 more points and wins three or more games, and we're not having this conversation. The kid committed when it looked like we had a lot better program (and better players) than we turned out to have. He also was led to believe that we would run a system that we never really did. He bolted not because of our ramblings on this board but because he saw a program in the toilet and he didn't want to be part of it. I'm tired of some people blaming others on this board for the debacle of the last two years. And I'm especially disheartened by people comparing the academic demands of our school to those of UNC and others. I hope PE turns the program around and I hope Waters wants to be part of our tradition of basketball AND academic excellence. But if he doesn't there must be dozens of quality athletes who do and let's hope PE and staff find them.
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Post by swhoya on Apr 12, 2017 21:13:13 GMT -5
This discussion highlights what is wrong with college basketball today. This kid is looking for a career in the NBA. Why in the world go to a school like GU, where he will be required to actually attend college, rather than a school like UNC or Kentucky where he can show off his skills by playing with guys who feel the same way and who play at the same level while not being required to seriously study. Until we become like those schools -- which I hope will be never -- we will have a nearly impossible time trying to recruit 5 star talent. So let's get real. PE needs to find some talented kids (and their parents) who buy into the idea of going to a great school and getting a quality education while developing their talent under the tutelage of an NBA Hall of Famer. It can be done, e.g. Nova, Gonzaga, etc. If we find that rare 5 star kid who will buy into our program great. But let's not blame ourselves if he decides not to. This isn't Nerlens Noel or Ivan Rabb or whatever top 10 talent we've chased ridiculously for the last 8 years with really no chance of getting. This kid was committed and bought into all of what you just said. The fanbase absolutely blew all of that up in getting JT3 fired and in the way they went about things. So why shouldn't we blame the fanbase at large if he decides not to come? He had a relationship with JT3 and his staff, the fanbase spent months torching JT3. Patrick Ewing's a guy he doesn't know who's never been a head coach. This is one situation where you absolutely cannot put it on the kid if he decides not to come and explain it away like he only cares about making the NBA and doesn't care about academics. This season's team scores 10 more points and wins three or more games, and we're not having this conversation. Can we just stop with this? I don't know why he chose to decommit. You don't either. It may have been the tweets, it may have been the fans, it may have been the losing, it may have been things he heard from the players. You don't know, so stop proclaiming that it MUST must be the reason you think it is. And even if you're right...just stop. It's over. Time to move forward.
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Post by s4hoyas on Apr 12, 2017 21:27:37 GMT -5
Man, sometimes I wonder with all the negativity and assumed scenarios in these threads whether some of you are really Georgetown fans. Tremont Waters committed very shortly after his visit at our OPENING/Midnight Madness practice. I'm sure JT3 fully intended to run a more up tempo offense after the previous year with DSR out of position at the point...and he related that to Tremont...unfortunately, he didn't have Tremont (a gifted, quick, penetrating true point) to implement that strategy last year and as he got into the season, he realized that Mulmore and Moseley were not yet ready to handle the point/the uptempo style efficiently, so he had to abandon the strategy until (he hoped) Tremont arrived...he didn't LIE to Tremnont, as someone assumed...further, Tremont stated very clearly that he valued the academics at Georgetown as much as the basketball side...All Patrick knows, and knows well, is the NBA style offense...Tremont is the ideal guy to run it, and I guarantee you that Patrick is a straight shooter and will get the high quality coaches and players to surround him, in addition to those returning...we'll see if that's enough for Tremont to join HoyaNation...
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Post by beenaround on Apr 12, 2017 21:41:21 GMT -5
This isn't Nerlens Noel or Ivan Rabb or whatever top 10 talent we've chased ridiculously for the last 8 years with really no chance of getting. This kid was committed and bought into all of what you just said. The fanbase absolutely blew all of that up in getting JT3 fired and in the way they went about things. So why shouldn't we blame the fanbase at large if he decides not to come? He had a relationship with JT3 and his staff, the fanbase spent months torching JT3. Patrick Ewing's a guy he doesn't know who's never been a head coach. This is one situation where you absolutely cannot put it on the kid if he decides not to come and explain it away like he only cares about making the NBA and doesn't care about academics. This season's team scores 10 more points and wins three or more games, and we're not having this conversation. Can we just stop with this? I don't know why he chose to decommit. You don't either. It may have been the tweets, it may have been the fans, it may have been the losing, it may have been things he heard from the players. You don't know, so stop proclaiming that it MUST must be the reason you think it is. And even if you're right...just stop. It's over. Time to move forward. Thank you Thank you Thank you
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Apr 12, 2017 21:48:14 GMT -5
Can we stop with this "our players actually study" excuse. Georgetown offers basketball players an opportunity to study and learn if they choose to take advantage. It does not require them to do anything other than show up to class. If that's true why were Josh Smith and Greg Whittington found academically ineligible? Maybe they did miss classes. I don't know, but it would be stretching the realm of reasonableness to assume that Georgetown is just as easy as a place like UNC when it comes to athlete academics.
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