Patrick Ewing re-recruiting Tremont Waters

[H2Oya 05]

Apr 16, 2017 8:13:00 GMT -5 Admin said:

Apr 16, 2017 6:53:08 GMT -5 H2Oya 05 said:

Two Questions:
(1) What is the definition between a donation and a financial contribution?
(2) Is there really no limiting factor? Would it actually be a violation if my wife (not a Syracuse fan or grad) make a donation to Syracuse's athletic department then tweeted and DMed at Syracuse recruits? If so, it seems both impossible to police and very easy to cause compliance problems for schools.

1. A donation can be non-financial. Hosting a team for lunch, for example, would be a donation but not a financial one. In the example above, the NCAA argues that even if you did not make a gift for actual benefits (e.g., you made a gift to the Thompson Center, or made a gift to baseball even though there are no season tickets), you are still a booster.

2. Yes, it would be a violation, although intent plays a role.

Is there a self-reporting process? I'm pretty sure that nobody who has given to a school and played a sport could possibly comply. For example, there is a rule against entertaining coaches of amateur athletes. If someone were hypothetically a swimmer and friends with many swim coaches at various levels, that hypothetical person would violate theses rules any time he or she meets any of these coaches for dinner or drinks. And what about high school or other amateur coaches who have also donated to their alma mater; are they unable to communicate with their athletes who may some day go on to college. A literal interpretation would seem to preclude high school coaches who are boosters from even talking to the teams they coach. If these rules are really as black and white as you are making them sound, the NCAA is a joke because there is no way they could do anything other than selective enforcement. If they are more nuanced, maybe we can worry a little less about casual fans retweeting.

[CaliHoya]

Exactly, EVERY program's fanbase does this daily and the NCAA has never disallowed it to date. They are not going to put everything program on probation at once. At most, I could see them sending a stern warning that they will start policing it in the future, but even then - it's impossible on Twitter. How can they come firm an anonymous Twitter account is a Georgetown fan or a Cuse fan trying to get us in trouble?

In the meantime, Tremont does notice. He mentioned it yesterday that Cuse fans are tweeting him the most. It matters, and IMO Hoya fans should play by the same rules that the other fanbases do until it's clear this is a practice the NCAA will police.

[DanMcQ]

Apr 16, 2017 8:31:19 GMT -5 deacon said:

Apr 15, 2017 17:43:52 GMT -5 @yaboynyp said:

I feel you but If the NCAA cared about that rule every HM school would be on probation...

Exactly.

Fans of schools all over break this "rule" thousands of times daily.

I agree.

Here's the distinction though:

1. Fans doing it on their own.

2. Using forums like this to encourage organized efforts to do so.

It's certainly a gray area, but we prefer to keep this site (which is certainly a booster site for the team) free from being used for 2.

[CaliHoya]

Okay, let's just leave it at:
1. It seems to matter to Tremont which fanbase tweets him the most.
2. Hoya fans can tweet on their own but not organize a tweetstorm here.
3. However, they can and should be able to mention that a recruit seems to be noticing fans' tweets and the Hoyas seem behind.

[95hoya]

There's something wrong about adults tweeting at these kids. Don't do it just because other fans do it. No, it won't impact his decision.

[CaliHoya]

Agree to disagree. It's naive to think it doesn't impact their decision. Just as we fans cheer on our teams because we believe it helps, I do not think it's wrong to tweet if people believe (in my view, correctly) that it gives social proof to recruits that the fanbase is passionate.

[dreamhoya]

Apr 16, 2017 18:04:02 GMT -5 CaliHoya said:

Agree to disagree. It's naive to think it doesn't impact their decision. Just as we fans cheer on our teams because we believe it helps, I do not think it's wrong to tweet if people believe (in my view, correctly) that it gives social proof to recruits that the fanbase is passionate.

yep he's mentioned twitter in 3 separate interviews that i've seen

[dreamhoya]

...whatever you do, don't give Tremont the Laquan Treadwell treatment

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This convo is fascinating only because I'm pretty sure this issue has been discussed more here in the last 24 hrs than at NCAA headquarters over the the last 3 years... I'm not tweeting to kids personally, but absolutely nobody cares about this other than the kid getting the attention.

Here's an old article that addresses the issue and notes that the Mods would be wrong to not point out that this is a recruiting violation. It also says, as many have noted, there's no real way for the NCAA to enforce it...

newsok.com/article/3916214

[professorhoya]

Apr 16, 2017 9:44:16 GMT -5 95hoya said:

There's something wrong about adults tweeting at these kids. Don't do it just because other fans do it. No, it won't impact his decision.

Would it be more amenable if adults used their kids to tweet at these kids?

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Apr 16, 2017 9:44:16 GMT -5 95hoya said:

There's something wrong about adults tweeting at these kids. Don't do it just because other fans do it. No, it won't impact his decision.

And that's really one of the differences between Georgetown alums and a lot of other schools. I'm not picking sides, and do realize that especially at the big state schools there's a lot bigger sample size, but you better believe they have their share of 35-50 year olds (my random "adults who use social media" definition) tweeting at these kids. 

i remember being shocked (naive I guess) by the number of 45 year old dudes in Stackhouse/Carter/Jordan/etc jerseys when I went to Winston Salem for the first round games during the Hoyas' 2007 run and Carolina was in the later games. 

[LCPolo18]

Even though he has gotten a release from Georgetown, the Hoyas remain a big part of the process and Waters enjoyed his in home visit with Patrick Ewing.

"It was good," said Waters of meeting with Ewing. "He pretty much pitched everything, and re-pitched stuff that would be different like the offense and how he would run things. He would have more of an NBA style offense because he played in the league a very long time. He compared me to Kemba Walker."

[tashoya]

If tweets are the difference, so be it. Still seems creepy to me for people that don't know him personally and that are well beyond college age to be tweeting him about his choice of colleges because they want their favorite team to be better.

[hoyasaxa2003]

Apr 16, 2017 21:16:21 GMT -5 LCPolo18 said:

Even though he has gotten a release from Georgetown, the Hoyas remain a big part of the process and Waters enjoyed his in home visit with Patrick Ewing.

"It was good," said Waters of meeting with Ewing. "He pretty much pitched everything, and re-pitched stuff that would be different like the offense and how he would run things. He would have more of an NBA style offense because he played in the league a very long time. He compared me to Kemba Walker."

If he wants stability, it seems like Ewing should not raise too many concerns. It's highly unlikely that Ewing would leave during Waters' time at Georgetown, and while the assistants are not known yet, even major successful programs experience semi-frequent changes in assistants.

[glidehoyas (Inactive)]

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[This Just In]

Apr 17, 2017 7:07:39 GMT -5 glidehoyas (Inactive) said:

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You think if Tremont Waters comes, the Hoyas can make the NCAA's this year?

[glidehoyas (Inactive)]

Apr 17, 2017 8:16:16 GMT -5 This Just In said:

Apr 17, 2017 7:07:39 GMT -5 glidehoyas (Inactive) said:

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You think if Tremont Waters comes, the Hoyas can make the NCAA's this year?

With his leadership and determination, I'd hope so.

[glidehoyas (Inactive)]

Apr 16, 2017 9:12:34 GMT -5 DanMcQ said:

Apr 16, 2017 8:31:19 GMT -5 deacon said:

Exactly.

Fans of schools all over break this "rule" thousands of times daily.

I agree.

Here's the distinction though:

1. Fans doing it on their own.

2. Using forums like this to encourage organized efforts to do so.

It's certainly a gray area, but we prefer to keep this site (which is certainly a booster site for the team) free from being used for 2.

Where lots of Hoyas fans are.

[glidehoyas (Inactive)]

Apr 6, 2017 14:22:22 GMT -5 glidehoyas (Inactive) said:

Edited. Please see Georgetown rules on contacting prospects--Admin.

You can send tweets to recruits if you are a fan!!!

[royski]

Apr 16, 2017 9:44:16 GMT -5 95hoya said:

There's something wrong about adults tweeting at these kids. Don't do it just because other fans do it. No, it won't impact his decision.

He is basically telling you that it's impacting his decision.