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Post by vv83 on Apr 4, 2017 19:38:38 GMT -5
We probably should not set ourselves up for disappointment if Ewing cannot bring in recruits like Mitchell Robinson and Waters as he fills out his coaching staff and talks with the Waters family. It would be great if this stuff happens, but realistically both are probably real long shots. The important thing right now is for Ewing to get the best possible assistants, whether or not they bring any good players in with them for the 2017-18 season.
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Apr 4, 2017 20:15:08 GMT -5
Agreed. I suggested Mike Jarvis for that role earlier in this thread. He has experience running a DI program in DC and running a Big East program that would make Coach Ewing's transition easier, plus the obvious connection to Ewing. Jarvis is dead perfect for that role. Too old to really get another head gig and probably doesn't want to at this point. That would be a great get.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2017 21:57:10 GMT -5
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Post by 95hoya on Apr 4, 2017 22:06:32 GMT -5
That would be a solid hire. He knows the area.
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Post by CTHoya08 on Apr 5, 2017 6:55:39 GMT -5
We probably should not set ourselves up for disappointment if Ewing cannot bring in recruits like Mitchell Robinson and Waters as he fills out his coaching staff and talks with the Waters family. It would be great if this stuff happens, but realistically both are probably real long shots. The important thing right now is for Ewing to get the best possible assistants, whether or not they bring any good players in with them for the 2017-18 season. I couldn't agree with this more. The assistants should be chosen based on who will bring the most to the program over the next 3, 5, however many years. Not who might be able to bring a particular kid this year. Obviously if there is someone who checks the first box and also has recruits in tow, all the better.
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Post by SaxaCD on Apr 5, 2017 6:57:48 GMT -5
We probably should not set ourselves up for disappointment if Ewing cannot bring in recruits like Mitchell Robinson and Waters as he fills out his coaching staff and talks with the Waters family. It would be great if this stuff happens, but realistically both are probably real long shots. The important thing right now is for Ewing to get the best possible assistants, whether or not they bring any good players in with them for the 2017-18 season. I couldn't agree with this more. The assistants should be chosen based on who will bring the most to the program over the next 3, 5, however many years. Not who might be able to bring a particular kid this year. Obviously if there is someone who checks the first box and also has recruits in tow, all the better. One assistant should be promotable to top spot if Ewing kills it and the NBA decides to call
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Post by BigmanU on Apr 5, 2017 8:01:11 GMT -5
Pat Jr won't be allowed on the staff due to nepotism clause in contract.
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Post by BeantownHoya on Apr 5, 2017 8:22:28 GMT -5
Sorry if this has already been said elsewhere and I am all for Ewing building his own staff, in fact absolutely prefer it....but is it a given that Broadus, Solomon, and Waheed are gone?
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Post by DanMcQ on Apr 5, 2017 8:42:14 GMT -5
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Post by upstatesaxa on Apr 5, 2017 12:34:56 GMT -5
This is also a place where we cannot afford to lose a whole lot of time, because the live recruiting period starts in a few days. Shammond Williams sounds pretty good to me, if it's possible that he could bring 1 or 2 of those Western Kentucky recruits with him. That, re-recruiting Waters, and keeping everyone else would make us better next year than we thought possible... I want to win as much as the next guy... and I really do not want next year to be a brutal tour which hampers Pat going forward. But these sleazy package deals - aren't we better than this? One thing undeniable about JT3 was his class and clean approach, and I don't think those factors were a drag on the program. I mean, the next step is hiring a potential recruit's father ala Danny Manning Jr and Sr. PE is going to have to learn (at warp speed) the nasty ins and outs of present day recruiting, but if the Ewing Era is meant to be a decent haul, and not a stop gap, lets just hire the BEST assistant we can, and not some guy with two six foot five mercenaries stuffed in the back seat of his car. Because if a kid is willing to marry Univ Washington, then Western Kentucky, then Georgetown... is he really our kind of student athlete? What the last two NCAA's have shown is that you don't have to have one and done 5 stars to go deep in the tournament. Maybe our philosophy should be finding gems and developing them, especially this year and next. Not the Big Splash. I know the temptation is to leverage the Patrick excitement as much and as quickly as possible, but we didn't get in this spot overnight and we are not getting out of it overnight either.
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Post by LCPolo18 on Apr 5, 2017 12:40:42 GMT -5
This is also a place where we cannot afford to lose a whole lot of time, because the live recruiting period starts in a few days. Shammond Williams sounds pretty good to me, if it's possible that he could bring 1 or 2 of those Western Kentucky recruits with him. That, re-recruiting Waters, and keeping everyone else would make us better next year than we thought possible... I want to win as much as the next guy... and I really do not want next year to be a brutal tour which hampers Pat going forward. But these sleazy package deals - aren't we better than this? One thing undeniable about JT3 was his class and clean approach, and I don't think those factors were a drag on the program. I mean, the next step is hiring a potential recruit's father ala Danny Manning Jr and Sr. PE is going to have to learn (at warp speed) the nasty ins and outs of present day recruiting, but if the Ewing Era is meant to be a decent haul, and not a stop gap, lets just hire the BEST assistant we can, and not some guy with two six foot five mercenaries stuffed in the back seat of his car. Because if a kid is willing to marry Univ Washington, then Western Kentucky, then Georgetown... is he really our kind of student athlete? What the last two NCAA's have shown is that you don't have to have one and done 5 stars to go deep in the tournament. Maybe our philosophy should be finding gems and developing them, especially this year and next. Not the Big Splash. I know the temptation is to leverage the Patrick excitement as much and as quickly as possible, but we didn't get in this spot overnight and we are not getting out of it overnight either. The only difference is that I don't think this would necessarily be a package deal. Given that Ewing and Shammond Williams already have a relationship, I would think that if he got hired as an assistant at Georgetown there wouldn't be an expectation that those recruits followed him. If they do that's great, but I don't see it as a "hire me and I'll deliver my son/godson/high school player to you" type of situation (see Keelon Lawson).
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Post by SFHoya99 on Apr 5, 2017 13:01:21 GMT -5
I'm less worried about sleaze.
Being able to bring in a top recruit now simply needs to be one factor or many. Patrick can't afford to have a complete zero on his staff -- he needs someone who can both recruit AND coach. But if a guy can recruit and coach and brings a five star, why would you not take him?
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Apr 5, 2017 13:23:24 GMT -5
Yeah I get the concern, but I don't think Patrick is bringing someone on just to poach recruits. Of course anyone who is currently employed as an assistant and is an effective recruiter is going to have some committed recruits, who might have a strong enough relationship to follow the guy, especially to a school like GU with a head coach like Patrick.
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Post by bostonfan on Apr 5, 2017 13:46:25 GMT -5
Yeah I get the concern, but I don't think Patrick is bringing someone on just to poach recruits. Of course anyone who is currently employed as an assistant and is an effective recruiter is going to have some committed recruits, who might have a strong enough relationship to follow the guy, especially to a school like GU with a head coach like Patrick. I am hopeful that decisions about staff are made with the long term in mind and not just who might, or might not, be able to bring one particular recruit along in the next few months. Get whoever you think will help build the program to the level you want through long term recruiting and player development. I don't get the sense Patrick is looking for a quick fix here, but people who share his vision and can help him develop the program into what he wants it to be.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Apr 5, 2017 13:50:16 GMT -5
This is also a place where we cannot afford to lose a whole lot of time, because the live recruiting period starts in a few days. Shammond Williams sounds pretty good to me, if it's possible that he could bring 1 or 2 of those Western Kentucky recruits with him. That, re-recruiting Waters, and keeping everyone else would make us better next year than we thought possible... I want to win as much as the next guy... and I really do not want next year to be a brutal tour which hampers Pat going forward. But these sleazy package deals - aren't we better than this? One thing undeniable about JT3 was his class and clean approach, and I don't think those factors were a drag on the program. I mean, the next step is hiring a potential recruit's father ala Danny Manning Jr and Sr. PE is going to have to learn (at warp speed) the nasty ins and outs of present day recruiting, but if the Ewing Era is meant to be a decent haul, and not a stop gap, lets just hire the BEST assistant we can, and not some guy with two six foot five mercenaries stuffed in the back seat of his car. Because if a kid is willing to marry Univ Washington, then Western Kentucky, then Georgetown... is he really our kind of student athlete? What the last two NCAA's have shown is that you don't have to have one and done 5 stars to go deep in the tournament. Maybe our philosophy should be finding gems and developing them, especially this year and next. Not the Big Splash. I know the temptation is to leverage the Patrick excitement as much and as quickly as possible, but we didn't get in this spot overnight and we are not getting out of it overnight either. I agree with you. I don't think it would make sense to pick up an assistant (like Williams) if the only reason was that he was going to bring a 5 star recruit with him. I know many schools hire kids' coaches or fathers, which is super sketchy, and not the type of program I want to be. But, if someone is a good recruiter in their own right, and they happen to bring a 5 star recruit, all the better. The 2018 class is definitely most important now, so the assistants' collective ability to recruit a top class in that year is the most important factor. Getting a one-and-done type like Robinson doesn't really help all that much if he comes one year and is gone, so I agree hiring Williams for that reason along makes no sense, even if you want to look at it cynically.
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Post by swhoya on Apr 5, 2017 14:57:36 GMT -5
I haven't seen anyone else comment on it, so sorry if it's already been said, but...PE Jr. can't be an assistant coach bc of a nepotism rule?
Hmmmmm.....
When was that instituted...?
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Post by hoyarooter on Apr 5, 2017 15:00:24 GMT -5
I want to win as much as the next guy... and I really do not want next year to be a brutal tour which hampers Pat going forward. But these sleazy package deals - aren't we better than this? One thing undeniable about JT3 was his class and clean approach, and I don't think those factors were a drag on the program. I mean, the next step is hiring a potential recruit's father ala Danny Manning Jr and Sr. PE is going to have to learn (at warp speed) the nasty ins and outs of present day recruiting, but if the Ewing Era is meant to be a decent haul, and not a stop gap, lets just hire the BEST assistant we can, and not some guy with two six foot five mercenaries stuffed in the back seat of his car. Because if a kid is willing to marry Univ Washington, then Western Kentucky, then Georgetown... is he really our kind of student athlete? What the last two NCAA's have shown is that you don't have to have one and done 5 stars to go deep in the tournament. Maybe our philosophy should be finding gems and developing them, especially this year and next. Not the Big Splash. I know the temptation is to leverage the Patrick excitement as much and as quickly as possible, but we didn't get in this spot overnight and we are not getting out of it overnight either. I agree with you. I don't think it would make sense to pick up an assistant (like Williams) if the only reason was that he was going to bring a 5 star recruit with him. I know many schools hire kids' coaches or fathers, which is super sketchy, and not the type of program I want to be. But, if someone is a good recruiter in their own right, and they happen to bring a 5 star recruit, all the better. The 2018 class is definitely most important now, so the assistants' collective ability to recruit a top class in that year is the most important factor. Getting a one-and-done type like Robinson doesn't really help all that much if he comes one year and is gone, so I agree hiring Williams for that reason along makes no sense, even if you want to look at it cynically. Agree with this. I think, though, that the 5th year senior transfer list needs to be focused upon as well, to try to fill out the roster.
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Post by seaweed on Apr 5, 2017 15:06:36 GMT -5
I haven't seen anyone else comment on it, so sorry if it's already been said, but...PE Jr. can't be an assistant coach bc of a nepotism rule? Hmmmmm..... When was that instituted...? Better question might be, when wasn't it waived?
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Post by BeantownHoya on Apr 5, 2017 15:44:09 GMT -5
I haven't seen anyone else comment on it, so sorry if it's already been said, but...PE Jr. can't be an assistant coach bc of a nepotism rule? Hmmmmm..... When was that instituted...? Better question might be, when wasn't it waived? Or better yet why discuss this here when there is a thread dedicated to this topic
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Post by TC on Apr 6, 2017 11:10:12 GMT -5
Ron suggesting Louis Orr a possibility for the veteran assistant coach position- coached Seton Hall for 5 years, played with Ewing on the mid-80's Knicks.
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