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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Apr 21, 2018 13:52:53 GMT -5
Now, any news on Trey?
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Post by saxagael on Apr 21, 2018 15:34:18 GMT -5
News on redshirt or added eligibility often comes in June or so, after school is out. For many senior academic eligibility to continue weighs into the granting an extra year of play.
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Apr 21, 2018 21:23:10 GMT -5
News on redshirt or added eligibility often comes in June or so, after school is out. For many senior academic eligibility to continue weighs into the granting an extra year of play. Thank you for the info!
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Post by MCIGuy on Apr 21, 2018 21:39:06 GMT -5
I’m looking forward to the dr’s answer. How much better would they be? Slaughtered every team they played in the tourney including teams with huge big men. Have to wonder how college PE would fare in the 3 point era especially against a team like Nova. Game has just changed so much. I guess you're asking would I rather have college PE or Paschal? In today's game I'd take Paschal. Not the defensive monster PE was but much better shooter and much better handle. Someone threw you a soft ball and this is your answer? Your obsession with Nova and your belief regarding how big men are supposed to play now may be blinding you. Ewing in college was an athletic monster and twenty times the player Paschal is on his best day. And yet you would take Paschal over him? That's insane. Ewing was a dominant force on both sides of the ball; a complete game changer. Paschal is a nice piece, perhaps a fourth or fifth go-to scorer who WOULD NEVER be the primary target of any defensive schemes.
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Post by tashoya on Apr 21, 2018 22:45:51 GMT -5
My sarcasm meter is usually fairly decent but, at this point, I can't tell what's meant as a joke in some of the posts here. Patrick is a top 25 all time player in the pros and a top 5 college player to boot. I'd take a young Pat over every player in the BE right now and it's not close.
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Post by miracles87 on Apr 22, 2018 0:10:46 GMT -5
Trey Mourning always looks like he knows what is going on. Sets picks, moves without the ball, communicates on D. Plays smart ball, sort of like if his father was one of the greatest b-ball players ever to play the game, has schooled him since before he can remember, and it comes really naturally. Trey has a great chance to start next year, and will certainly play major minutes.
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Not sure what to make of the "issue" of Govan and Derrickson's playing time on the '87 Reggie and the Miracles team. Obviously they are both better scorers than the '87 contingent. However, that '87 team went 29-5, 3-0 against Seikaly and Coleman, and was an all-around wood chipper of a team. Hard to say how Marcus would do in practice against Ronnie, just saying.
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With the possible exception of Shaq, Ewing would have been the #1 pick in every NBA draft since 1985, when Ewing went #1. The freshman version of Patrick Ewing, let alone the other three college versions, would have been a reasonable choice for POY in the NCAAs every year since he left. I mean, seriously.
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Post by drquigley on Apr 22, 2018 13:05:09 GMT -5
How much better would they be? Slaughtered every team they played in the tourney including teams with huge big men. Have to wonder how college PE would fare in the 3 point era especially against a team like Nova. Game has just changed so much. I guess you're asking would I rather have college PE or Paschal? In today's game I'd take Paschal. Not the defensive monster PE was but much better shooter and much better handle. Someone threw you a soft ball and this is your answer? Your obsession with Nova and your belief regarding how big men are supposed to play now may be blinding you. Ewing in college was an athletic monster and twenty times the player Paschal is on his best day. And yet you would take Paschal over him? That's insane. Ewing was a dominant force on both sides of the ball; a complete game changer. Paschal is a nice piece, perhaps a fourth or fifth go-to scorer who WOULD NEVER be the primary target of any defensive schemes. Let's try this. Put young PE on our squad the last 3 years. Would we have beaten Nova any of those years? Would we have won a BE title? Would we have won an NCAA championship? Yes, we would be an absolutely better team, maybe even middle of the BE pack. But a big man, even probably the best of his generation, doesn't win championships anymore. And yes I am obsessed with Nova because they keep beating our brains out and dominating the BE and now college basketball. So I'm tired of everyone thinking that there is a big man recruit out there who will turn our program around. If Waker improves, McClung and Asinje are the real deal, and if Pickett and Blair become all around players we will do much better than we would if we rest our hopes next year on the next "dominant big man".
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Post by prhoya on Apr 22, 2018 13:34:13 GMT -5
Someone threw you a soft ball and this is your answer? Your obsession with Nova and your belief regarding how big men are supposed to play now may be blinding you. Ewing in college was an athletic monster and twenty times the player Paschal is on his best day. And yet you would take Paschal over him? That's insane. Ewing was a dominant force on both sides of the ball; a complete game changer. Paschal is a nice piece, perhaps a fourth or fifth go-to scorer who WOULD NEVER be the primary target of any defensive schemes. Let's try this. Put young PE on our squad the last 3 years. Would we have beaten Nova any of those years? Would we have won a BE title? Would we have won an NCAA championship? Yes, we would be an absolutely better team, maybe even middle of the BE pack. But a big man, even probably the best of his generation, doesn't win championships anymore. And yes I am obsessed with Nova because they keep beating our brains out and dominating the BE and now college basketball. So I'm tired of everyone thinking that there is a big man recruit out there who will turn our program around. If Waker improves, McClung and Asinje are the real deal, and if Pickett and Blair become all around players we will do much better than we would if we rest our hopes next year on the next "dominant big man". You missed the point. No one said one player can carry a team to a championship in college. The point is a young Pat makes any team better and dominates, no matter if he does not shoot from the perimeter.
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Post by hoopsmccan on Apr 22, 2018 15:18:54 GMT -5
Let's try this. Put young PE on our squad the last 3 years. Would we have beaten Nova any of those years? Would we have won a BE title? Would we have won an NCAA championship? Yes, we would be an absolutely better team, maybe even middle of the BE pack. But a big man, even probably the best of his generation, doesn't win championships anymore. And yes I am obsessed with Nova because they keep beating our brains out and dominating the BE and now college basketball. So I'm tired of everyone thinking that there is a big man recruit out there who will turn our program around. If Waker improves, McClung and Asinje are the real deal, and if Pickett and Blair become all around players we will do much better than we would if we rest our hopes next year on the next "dominant big man". You missed the point. No one said one player can carry a team to a championship in college. The point is a young Pat makes any team better and dominates, no matter if he does not shoot from the perimeter. He didn’t miss the point. He changed his point because his original point was among the dumbest ever expressed on HT. hm
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Post by swhoya on Apr 22, 2018 15:23:09 GMT -5
[/quote]He didn’t miss the point. He changed his point because his original point was among the dumbest ever expressed on HT.
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Wait wait wait! Lemme go get my popcorn before this gets good!
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Post by bigskyhoya on Apr 22, 2018 15:40:00 GMT -5
I will play peacemaker. A generational big man like Ewing would unquestionably have a big impact, even in today's game. It is also true, however, that it is no longer necessary to have a dominant big man in the paint to win a championship. Twice. See Villanova.
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Post by paranoia2 on Apr 22, 2018 15:52:55 GMT -5
West Virginia was on its way to disposing of Villanova in this year’s tournament and their not so generational big man (the kid is a 6’8” beast) was kicking ass until the referees saddled him (and others) with ridiculous nickle dime fouls.
Spellman looked lost until the WVU big man was in there pine. Villanova plays with force and it must be matched with equal or greater force. Watch that tournament game. We are lucky to have Akinjo because he will set that tone every game and make sure all of our guys play with force.
Jeff Van Gundy said before games in their huddle John Starks would scream “Make em feel you!” We are getting there.
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Post by vv83 on Apr 22, 2018 16:25:38 GMT -5
There is not one current coach in the country who would not instantly make 1981 freshman Patrick Ewing their starting center the moment he stepped on campus. Not. One.
this entire argument is pretty silly, but it has been fun to talk about how great young Patrick was! Maybe younger fans who were not there to see it in McDonough or from the front row of the student section in the Cap Center don't quite have the same perspective as us old timers. But just trust those of us who witnessed it in person - he was a generational talent who would dramatically elevate any program in any era.
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Post by MCIGuy on Apr 22, 2018 16:27:49 GMT -5
I will play peacemaker. A generational big man like Ewing would unquestionably have a big impact, even in today's game. It is also true, however, that it is no longer necessary to have a dominant big man in the paint to win a championship. Twice. See Villanova. Well...it wasn't necessary for Nova to have a "dominant" big man in 1985 either if we're being real. Same can be said for NC State's championship team in 1984 too. Or Michigan's squad in 1989. Larry Johnson was dominant but at roughly 6'5 to 6'6 did he classify as a bigman for UNLV? Same question for Arkansas with Corliss Williamson. The Ed O'Bannon-led UCLA bunch and the Arizona team that won a couple of years later didn't have dominant big men. Both the Pitino and Tubby Smith Kentucky teams lacked that type of player. Same could be said for the two most recent championship winning teams put on the court for UConn? What about Syracuse's lone title winning team? The Duke bunch that beat Butler? The point is needing a dominant big guy has never been a can't-win-without ingredient, even back when big men were much more of a focus of teams' schemes. However if you had one during that time it may not have given you a guarantee but it sure enough gave you an advantage. The question is now is whether it still gives teams an advantage. I think it still does but that's just my opinion. What is fact is that Villanova did not face one dominant big man in the tourney. The Wildcats faced a couple of very good bigs who one day may be role players or possibly starters on NBA teams. But they didn't face any big man who was/is dominant. But that's neither here nor there. My main contention is that college Ewing is far better than any player on this recent Villanova team and that you would be foolish to not take him over anyone in Nova's current front court.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Apr 22, 2018 16:31:59 GMT -5
Wow and here I am thinking everyone just needed their sarcasm meters adjusted, but I guess I was just giving Quigley too much benefit of the doubt.
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Post by Elvado on Apr 22, 2018 16:32:46 GMT -5
I will play peacemaker. A generational big man like Ewing would unquestionably have a big impact, even in today's game. It is also true, however, that it is no longer necessary to have a dominant big man in the paint to win a championship. Twice. See Villanova. Well...it wasn't necessary for Nova to have a "dominant" big man in 1985 either if we're being real. Same can be said for NC State's championship team in 1984 too. Or Michigan's squad in 1989. Larry Johnson was dominant but at roughly 6'5 to 6'6 did he classify as a bigman for UNLV? Same question for Arkansas with Corliss Williamson. The Ed O'Bannon-led UCLA bunch and the Arizona team that won a couple of years later didn't have dominant big men. Both the Pitino and Tubby Smith Kentucky teams lacked that type of player. Same could be said for the two most recent championship winning teams put on the court for UConn? What about Syracuse's lone title winning team? The Duke bunch that beat Butler? The point is needing a dominant big guy has never been a can't-win-without ingredient, even back when big men were much more of a focus of teams' schemes. However if you had one during that time it may not have given you a guarantee but it sure enough gave you an advantage. The question is now is whether it still gives teams an advantage. I think it still does but that's just my opinion. What is fact is that Villanova did not face one dominant big man in the tourney. The Wildcats faced a couple of very good bigs who one day may be role players or possibly starters on NBA teams. But they didn't face any big man who was/is dominant. But that's neither here nor there. My main contention is that college Ewing is far better than any player on this recent Villanova team and that you would be foolish to not take him over anyone in Nova's current front court. Or anyone not named Walton or Alcindor, period.
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Post by MCIGuy on Apr 22, 2018 16:40:04 GMT -5
Someone threw you a soft ball and this is your answer? Your obsession with Nova and your belief regarding how big men are supposed to play now may be blinding you. Ewing in college was an athletic monster and twenty times the player Paschal is on his best day. And yet you would take Paschal over him? That's insane. Ewing was a dominant force on both sides of the ball; a complete game changer. Paschal is a nice piece, perhaps a fourth or fifth go-to scorer who WOULD NEVER be the primary target of any defensive schemes. Let's try this. Put young PE on our squad the last 3 years. Would we have beaten Nova any of those years? Would we have won a BE title? Would we have won an NCAA championship? Yes, we would be an absolutely better team, maybe even middle of the BE pack. But a big man, even probably the best of his generation, doesn't win championships anymore. And yes I am obsessed with Nova because they keep beating our brains out and dominating the BE and now college basketball. So I'm tired of everyone thinking that there is a big man recruit out there who will turn our program around. If Waker improves, McClung and Asinje are the real deal, and if Pickett and Blair become all around players we will do much better than we would if we rest our hopes next year on the next "dominant big man". Didn't I already beat you to the punch days/weeks ago with my remark of how putting Spellman or Paschal on this past season's Hoyas would have meant pretty much no difference in terms of results? Did you conveniently forget that already? You see none of those guys could win national titles because of those players they must go to war with, the failing culture and direction of the program and the questionable coaching of the teams (I don't blame Ewing for any of these things since he inherited mostly a mess and pretty much got all he could out of this recent collection of players). So, no, college Ewing wouldn't have won a championship with last season's Gtown team (although they would probably still have gone dancing). But add college Ewing to Xavier and the Musketeers would have dominated the big East and won the BET BECAUSE of the surrounding talent and experience. Add college Ewing to West Virginia and Nova doesn't get past the Mountaineers.
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Apr 22, 2018 16:54:06 GMT -5
There is not one current coach in the country who would not instantly make 1981 freshman Patrick Ewing their starting center the moment he stepped on campus. Not. One. this entire argument is pretty silly, but it has been fun to talk about how great young Patrick was! Maybe younger fans who were not there to see it in McDonough or from the front row of the student section in the Cap Center don't quite have the same perspective as us old timers. But just trust those of us who witnessed it in person - he was a generational talent who would dramatically elevate any program in any era. I agree. "Pretty silly," indeed.
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Post by drquigley on Apr 23, 2018 10:19:24 GMT -5
Okay, I give up. Three years ago this Board couldn't wait for the our incoming Bigs, MD and Govan, to lead us to glory. They will be leaving with (as pointed out in another thread) never having played in an NCAA or NIT tourney game and with a BE record 20 games under 500. Yes JT3 surrounded them with what turned out to be a terrible supporting cast. And yes they never had the talent to be "Dominant Big Men". But meanwhile the rest of the BE was loading up on the kind of players more suited to the modern game and one BE team was actually redefining how to play the modern game. All I'm asking is that we stop fixating on PE and what he brought to the program and focus instead on what we really need to be competitive going forward. And that is athletic, 6'0-6'9 players who can play D, shoot 40% from 3, dribble penetrate, rebound, pass and ball handle. If we get lucky enough to find a Big who can do all that great. But I'm sick and tired of us looking like saps while smaller, quicker players run rings around our Bigs, light us up from 3, and generally dominate the last 3 minutes of our games. It was 34 years ago when we won our last national championship. Unlike you youngsters I can't wait that long to see another. So humor me. Let me seem "pretty silly" if it means we put a team on the court that looks like it really understands how today's game is played.
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Post by the_way on Apr 23, 2018 11:39:58 GMT -5
Nova didn't redefine the game. They are doing what they've always done. Small has been Jay Wright's style. Playing-wise, recruiting-wise.
What you are referring to is better talent. We need better talent, that is a given. And a system/style of play that best maximizes that talent and gives the team the best chance to win on both sides of the ball.
Govan and Marcus weren't Mourning and Mutumbo, but they were good players. The talent around them was either lacking/didn't fit what the coach was trying to do and the system implemented did not give our team the best chance to win their 1st 2 years here. This year, we saw improvement, but everyone would admit there was a glaring deficiency in talent surrounding Marcus and Govan.
On paper at least, it looks like Ewing is doing his best to upgrade the talent on the recruiting trail. Still have to prove it on the court though. Same goes for his style of play defensively.
There is more than one way to win in basketball. Nova has won 2 of the last 3 championships. But they also have a few early round exists as high seeds playing the same exact way.
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