78HOYA78
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Post by 78HOYA78 on May 7, 2024 10:00:21 GMT -5
You are preaching to the choir - I'm saddened because Big Man "U" has passed and seems to be no desire for a skilled big man to wear the Hoya uniform. Remember 12 years ago waiting for Nerlens Noel to make his choice - (heart breaker).
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on May 7, 2024 13:40:28 GMT -5
For the record, I think the roster we are going into next year with will be better than last year's. But right now, barring unexpectedly good performance from the freshman or current roster, I see us as maybe a 5-7 Big East win team next year. We really need to add another good piece or two, and the options are dwindling. I really had high hopes for this off season and while I am not fully losing hope, the window for this is closing rapidly. The program will not see progress, and donors will lose interest, if five wins is its ceiling over the next two years. The problem, though not unique to Georgetown, is that there is no experience on the court with its style of play. Even though the names change, Creighton is consistently good because the players fit the system; conversely, DePaul is consistently bad because the players didn't fit whatever passed for a system there--but that's about to change under Holtmann. Outside of Cook and Fielder, you had everyone playing their own style out there and opposing coaches can jump on this in games. Georgetown has no system right now and good coaches naturally pick it apart. The guard play has been rife with a lack of teamwork and a lack of defensive leadership that Hurley, McDermott, Smart, et al. have feasted on. If Epps can't play alongside Mack as he was not playing alongside Brumbaugh, things do not improve. I agree, but only to an extent. I think our team was so bad on defense last year (and the two years before that under Ewing), that you're at a point where a system's impact is signficantly less than when a team is performing at the level of Creighton, for example. For example, we were 362 of 362 in rim defense. Why? This wasn't a failure of a system. It was an utter failure of everything to do with our defense. To his credit, Cooley tried a lot of different things last year, and none worked, but that's also why it is concerning. But, my point is that there are many levels of bad, and at least on the defensive end last year, we were so bad that the system was not the primary problem. Do you go from, let's say 150th defense to 50th best defense on having a great defensive system? Perhaps. But you can go from 362 rim defense to 150 really just by having competent players who play better than our defenders did at the rim last year (mostly Cook, but not only Cook). I really think this is more about a coach who knows what he's doing, what he wants to do, and puts the people in place to make that happen. Cooley did that at Providence for a decade plus in a way that far surpassed what he did at Georgetown last year. To get out of the basement, we need to be minimally competent, execute, and use the talent we have to be better. If we can do that, then a system might help us, especially on offense. But until the basics are fixed, we have little to no hope. This is why I was so bearish on Ewing. He clearly did not know how to coach. Cooley, in the past, showed a lot of coaching ability--at least beyond what he showed last year. I would love to be having debates with hoyaboya about whether Cooley getting us to the tournament as a 10 seed is good enough. Right now, we are far from that place, but Cooley has had teams at Providence that seemingly weren't setup for huge success that ended up managing to pull things together and make the tournament for example. I think the tournament this coming year is a pipe dream unless we get some additional splashy portal guys. But, I do think Cooley needs to be better. Much better, this coming season. And next offseason we need to retain our key players, including the freshman. * Lost among a lot of our discussion about the offense, and discussion of being 2-18, is that our offense last year actually was substantially better than Ewing's last offense. If Cooley's defense had followed suit, we likely would have had at least 5 wins or more, and been a lot more excited for this coming season. And probably had more success in the portal. The real key this year is for our offense and defense to be top 100. We really cannot afford another horrible defensive year. I am pretty comfortable we will be okay on offense, but worried about our defense.
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Post by Lethal_Interjection on May 8, 2024 8:28:01 GMT -5
fwiw
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Post by suicideslushpuppie on May 8, 2024 9:44:05 GMT -5
Let's all be real with ourselves. We landed some pretty good HS recruits but if we don't make major strides next season they're not going to stay. Just seems like another wasted offseason with no significant moves being made. Making these lowball offers with the belief that kids will "come back around" isn't going to work.
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SFHoya99
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Post by SFHoya99 on May 8, 2024 10:10:38 GMT -5
Let's all be real with ourselves. We landed some pretty good HS recruits but if we don't make major strides next season they're not going to stay. Just seems like another wasted offseason with no significant moves being made. Making these lowball offers with the belief that kids will "come back around" isn't going to work. What are you talking about? We secured one of the better perimeter defenders in basketball, we got ourselves one of the best PGs in the portal, plus an athletic, high upside guy who struggled a bit last year but his team seems sad to see go. Mack is a very significant move and Peavy is significant as well. We've missed on some bigs, but let's see how this all shakes out. And the idea that over a million dollars (to a guy who says he didn't even take the high offer) is a "lowball" -- especially when you have zero sense of the market or the budget, is just whining.
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NCHoya
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Post by NCHoya on May 8, 2024 10:19:57 GMT -5
Let's all be real with ourselves. We landed some pretty good HS recruits but if we don't make major strides next season they're not going to stay. Just seems like another wasted offseason with no significant moves being made. Making these lowball offers with the belief that kids will "come back around" isn't going to work. I think our freshman will stay if Cooley wants them to stay. The first thing you use your NIL funds on is retaining the players you want. We likely will lose a freshman or two, but it will be a mutual decision. One thing GU does have that other schools, like SHU or mid majors do not, is the NIL to keep players. To me, that is the most valuable advantage of having a well funded NIL budget.
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Post by AshantiCooksBurner on May 8, 2024 11:13:58 GMT -5
Jordan Burks committed according to Tipton.
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Post by BeantownHoya on May 8, 2024 11:17:39 GMT -5
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hoyariv71
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Post by hoyariv71 on May 8, 2024 11:31:50 GMT -5
Let’s get Keira and we have something
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Post by BeantownHoya on May 8, 2024 11:37:55 GMT -5
Let’s get Keira and we have something Agree. Little worried about our shooting but him and Burks would be solid additions that continue to put us in a better position defensively as a whole and that's obviously exciting. ...and look there is 80 minutes of playing time between the 4 and the 5...Keba played 16 mins last year and Burks 7...so I like the ideas between the two of them and Sorber and Fielder...there is plenty of minutes and best player will earn them in that bunch...nothing guaranteed.
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calhoya
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Post by calhoya on May 8, 2024 11:39:53 GMT -5
Another interesting pick like Styles was last year. Kid was a 3 star (Styles was a 4 star) recruited late to Kentucky and did not get much playing time last year as he was listed as a backup post playing behind 3 seven footers. Given the number of open spots the Hoyas have it seems like a low risk and potentially high reward signing.
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Post by SSHoya on May 8, 2024 11:45:45 GMT -5
I'm a defense first guy after the 3 years of defensive debacle we've witnessed.
I think the offense may take care of itself by adding one solid outside shooter and better scoring in transition off our improved defense, ie., fast break and secondary breaks.
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madgesiq92
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Post by madgesiq92 on May 8, 2024 12:09:21 GMT -5
Let's all be real with ourselves. We landed some pretty good HS recruits but if we don't make major strides next season they're not going to stay. Just seems like another wasted offseason with no significant moves being made. Making these lowball offers with the belief that kids will "come back around" isn't going to work. this board has devolved into some of the dumbest and worst takes on Hoya basketball that I can ever remember —— @badhoyatakes is going to be longer than War and Peace at this point.
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Post by hibernatinghoyafan on May 8, 2024 12:14:05 GMT -5
Man Cooley is really trying to build a monster for the 2025 season. Love this pickup, reminds me of Pickett or Whittington. Always nice to add 6’9” guys that are high level athletes with offensive upside.
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Post by bluegray79 on May 8, 2024 12:39:16 GMT -5
Agreed. As a lifelong Hoya fan, I always scratch my head & find it hard to understand the fans who reflexively see the downside first. Any reason to see the downside of something and they are there. Not sure how you interpret signing several 3 and 4-star recruits with significant up sides as a wasted offseason. It's what a kid has to offer and what coaches make of that.
Tristan Newton was a no-star, unranked recruit out of HS and went to East Carolina. Hurley saw a playmaker in him, brought him to UConn and he matured into one of the best point guards in the country. It's what you're able to bring out in your players and what a player works hard to become. Lots of times it doesn't work, but when it does, it's a great thing. But it can't happen without spotting the talent, seeing the potential, and creating a relationship that brings out the best.
With our pretty good HS recruits, our new commits who are highly regarded but haven't had the PT or growing up to show what they can do, Ed & Co. have taken the first step: they have spotted the talent. Now they get to work drawing out the potential, developing the player and the team, and creating relationships that turn it into Hoya basketball. It's all the things that people who know Ed say he is pretty good at -- let's give it a chance & see how it takes shape. I'm staying hopeful, man, optimistic until what I see on the floor persuades me otherwise.
Hoya saxa.
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Post by hoyaboya on May 8, 2024 14:00:37 GMT -5
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Post by hoyaboya on May 8, 2024 17:12:45 GMT -5
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Post by Lethal_Interjection on May 8, 2024 18:42:04 GMT -5
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Post by BeantownHoya on May 8, 2024 18:55:40 GMT -5
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Post by suicideslushpuppie on May 8, 2024 20:00:30 GMT -5
It's reverse psychology. Whine a bit, land a commit.
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