madgesiq92
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Post by madgesiq92 on Apr 22, 2024 7:59:00 GMT -5
Williams will surprise folks. Hes gonna be a rotation piece, i bet Agree. Think of him as a big 3 and D upgrade from Bristol.
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Post by conshyhoya on Apr 22, 2024 9:37:29 GMT -5
Williams will surprise folks. Hes gonna be a rotation piece, i bet Agree. Think of him as a big 3 and D upgrade from Bristol. If he plays like he did in HS he would be but if he plays like he did last year he may not even be an upgrade and probably doesn't get much PT unless someone else also doesn't live up to their potential. I believe Cooley recruited him out of HS so they had a prior relationship. Hopefully we see the Curtis he originally recruited and not the one that we saw last year.
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Post by conshyhoya on Apr 22, 2024 9:52:05 GMT -5
My guess is his playing time / role is something between Bristol and Bacote. I think 4th guard with a chance for more less playing time depending the game and/or how Mulready is contributing (or not contributing). To be clear I am not making the prediction on his playing time...I am just responding to the prior poster...and I would just be shocked if Williams is coming here with the notion that he is 11-13 in the rotation after getting very decent run as a Freshman... Yes he got a decent run as a Freshman on one of the worst high major teams in the country last year. My point is he was recruited for his potential and if we see the same player from last year he is end of the rotation unless we have injuries or others that also don't live up to their potential. I would think Cooley would have told him he has a chance to compete and that he still sees the same potential as when he recruited him before at Providence. In my mind he is low risk high reward.
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Post by BeantownHoya on Apr 22, 2024 9:59:16 GMT -5
To be clear I am not making the prediction on his playing time...I am just responding to the prior poster...and I would just be shocked if Williams is coming here with the notion that he is 11-13 in the rotation after getting very decent run as a Freshman... Yes he got a decent run as a Freshman on one of the worst high major teams in the country last year. My point is he was recruited for his potential and if we see the same player from last year he is end of the rotation unless we have injuries or others that also don't live up to their potential. I would think Cooley would have told him he has a chance to compete and that he still sees the same potential as when he recruited him before at Providence. In my mind he is low risk high reward. Honestly I think we are on the same page here mostly... My view was/is if this kid was brought into to be a key piece of the rotation then I have concerns...if he is back of the rotation let's see how you develop kind of scenario then agree no real risk here and a good add... I have tempered some of my initial angst of the commitment from some of the positive statements around his game from other posters...on the initial commitment I looked at his number and his portal video and all I saw was spot up shooter and little else ...I still have some of those concerns based on his rebounding and assist numbers...that said as others have pointed out has good length and plus defensive skills...so hoping this obviously works out and shooting comes along, maybe he hit a freshman wall he was awful in the last couple of weeks but certainly better prior to that...
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madgesiq92
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Post by madgesiq92 on Apr 22, 2024 10:39:00 GMT -5
I would throw out Williams last season stats. Look at the jump Bryce Hopkins (another top 50 player he recruited at Providence) made from his freshman year stats at Kentucky under Cooley. This board would have looked at his stats and put him in the "back of the rotation." Louisville media and fans seem to think the kid may blow up here given the right coaching. Let's give Cooley a chance with him.
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Post by blueandgray on Apr 22, 2024 11:32:07 GMT -5
I guess I don't argue w/the "talent" aspect but yes he was a top 125 kid that was let's be honest dreadful... This is not meant to be a shot at you Dave but not stellar is being kind...he shot 31% from the floor and 28% from 3 and seemed to fall out of favor on an awful Louisville team... We do need shooters so agree he possibly fills a need and maybe just needs a change of scenery but we better hope he finds that form he had only 40 rebounds and 20 assist all season...that's pretty one dimensional Personally I feel like there would have been better options still this early in the portal...hope I am wrong I'm not really sure what you expect for someone who will be 11-13 in your rotation and probably your 5 guard. He showed promise in HS and had a good % beyond the arc at least his junior year. He has size for a guard which is always a plus. Couldn’t the same thing had been said about Styles?
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Post by conshyhoya on Apr 22, 2024 12:03:36 GMT -5
I'm not really sure what you expect for someone who will be 11-13 in your rotation and probably your 5 guard. He showed promise in HS and had a good % beyond the arc at least his junior year. He has size for a guard which is always a plus. Couldn’t the same thing had been said about Styles? I'm not sure how you feel the two scenarios are similar. Styles was hardly utilized at UNC so his sample size was very small and then came to us where we only had 9 scholarship players on a team (although we probably ended with 11 pending if McKenna ever took one and if we gave one to Cam) that wasn't expected to be competitive so he was definitely getting minutes. Curtis on the other hand played a decent amount and had poor numbers and now transferred to a team that will have a full roster most likely and should be competitive. They were both 4 stars and didn't live up to it in a way so that is the same if that is what you mean but I think Styles was expected to compete for the starting job immediately. I think the best players should play but I don't think anyone thinks Curtis will be in the starting lineup or get real minutes if he plays like he did last year. Does have a chance to contribute if he does improve for sure.
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Post by BeantownHoya on Apr 22, 2024 12:51:58 GMT -5
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Post by SFHoya99 on Apr 22, 2024 13:17:34 GMT -5
Cliff could very well be the final piece of a pretty damn good team, so I hope so!
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Post by lda05816 on Apr 22, 2024 13:19:01 GMT -5
Next year's roster is currently very light on shooting. If Williams is just a spot up shooter at 36/37%, that is a boost for the roster. Have to think he should get a lot of open looks with the amount of attention that Mack and Epps will get. I'm intrigued by the signing even if the stats last year weren't great.
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Post by madgesiq92 on Apr 22, 2024 14:15:56 GMT -5
Hearing Baylor and Arkansas are the two to watch there.
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Post by BeantownHoya on Apr 22, 2024 14:23:46 GMT -5
Hearing Baylor and Arkansas are the two to watch there. ...even if that's true if I am Ed I am talking this report up to Cliff and saying you may not be Bama's first choice but your are definitely ours...
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Post by madmike on Apr 22, 2024 14:30:30 GMT -5
Checking hoyatalk to much today. Not sure why but I think cliff is coming on board today
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Post by hoyaboya on Apr 22, 2024 14:32:21 GMT -5
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Post by madmike on Apr 22, 2024 15:07:27 GMT -5
Cliff and Stewart would be a dream for our last two.
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Post by dariantownesvanzandt on Apr 22, 2024 15:31:37 GMT -5
Cliff and Stewart would be a dream for our last two. I think we'd be getting one or the other. Cliff is priority 1 right now, and I'd be happy to have him. But if Cliff is your 5... A) You've spent a lot of $$. Stewart will cost big $$ also. Too much? There would still be a few smaller holes to fill. B) Neither are particularly good offensive players, and certainly no outside threats. On a 1-3 that doesn't feature rock-solid outside shooting... that's likely a no-go. C) Stewart is a rising SO. If you're going to lose one guy by bringing in Cliff, you'll likely lose both returning bigs by bringing in a starter-level guy w/ three years remaining. My guess is we find one really top level 4 or 5 to go w/ our existing bigs. If it's a C like Cliff, you cobble something together at the 4 from a combo of Fielder/McKenna (outside threats) or a 2nd-level addition - like a Traore. If Cliff doesn't happen, there's always guys like this:
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Post by BeantownHoya on Apr 22, 2024 15:35:28 GMT -5
Cliff and Stewart would be a dream for our last two. I think we'd be getting one or the other. Cliff is priority 1 right now, and I'd be happy to have him. But if Cliff is your 5... A) You've spent a lot of $$. Stewart will cost big $$ also. Too much? There would still be a few smaller holes to fill. B) Neither are particularly good offensive players, and certainly no outside threats. On a 1-3 that doesn't feature rock-solid outside shooting... that's likely a no-go. C) Stewart is a rising SO. If you're going to lose one guy by bringing in Cliff, you'll likely lose both returning bigs by bringing in a starter-level guy w/ three years remaining. My guess is we find one really top level 4 or 5 to go w/ our existing bigs. If it's a C like Cliff, you cobble something together at the 4 from a combo of Fielder/McKenna (outside threats) or a 2nd-level addition - like a Traore. If Cliff doesn't happen, there's always guys like this:
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Post by suicideslushpuppie on Apr 22, 2024 16:00:57 GMT -5
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