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Post by BeantownHoya on Apr 17, 2024 17:15:54 GMT -5
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Post by hoyaguy on Apr 17, 2024 18:16:13 GMT -5
Would Traore start? Where and how many minutes would he take? If it’s a situation where no real guarantees of big minutes or money for him, then sure I guess it wouldn’t hurt as long as he and the freshmen are treated fairly (ie if McKenna is playing better then Cooley better play McKenna). Saw someone call his athleticism elite which I guess is worth taking a ticket on if it’s cheap. We need more 3 point shooting, off the top of my head only Mack and Fielder shoot 35%+ which is less than ideal. Is the hope Epps will get way more efficient since he has less to do?
We definitely still need the shot blocker and hopefully it is in pipeline.
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Post by hoyarooter on Apr 17, 2024 18:59:33 GMT -5
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Post by bluechi on Apr 17, 2024 19:18:13 GMT -5
Manhattan is one of the worst teams in an already horrible conference. Traore's offensive numbers aren't terribly impressive, either. I assume the angle here is defense? He was an excellent defensive rebounder (in MEAC), and got a bunch of blocks and steals (in MEAC). If so, that might make sense, but does it even translate to the Big East? It's just a big leap to go from MEAC to the Big East, especially for a player whose offense wasn't that good even at the MEAC level. But I haven't seen him play and looking at stats on a page. Any more insights? Good defensive instincts; Great rebounder; Belonged on the court vs. UConn; can get to the basket and create his own shot anywhere on the floor; frequently dribbled the ball up court and set the offense; athletic. I like his game a lot. he's different in some ways than anyone they have. and he's humbly confident.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Apr 17, 2024 19:20:59 GMT -5
Manhattan is one of the worst teams in an already horrible conference. Traore's offensive numbers aren't terribly impressive, either. I assume the angle here is defense? He was an excellent defensive rebounder (in MEAC), and got a bunch of blocks and steals (in MEAC). If so, that might make sense, but does it even translate to the Big East? It's just a big leap to go from MEAC to the Big East, especially for a player whose offense wasn't that good even at the MEAC level. But I haven't seen him play and looking at stats on a page. Any more insights? Good defensive instincts; Great rebounder; Belonged on the court vs. UConn; can get to the basket and create his own shot anywhere on the floor; frequently dribbled the ball up court and set the offense; athletic. I like his game a lot. he's different in some ways than anyone they have. and he's humbly confident. Thanks for the intel. And yes I meant MAAC not MEAC.
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Post by bluechi on Apr 17, 2024 19:22:34 GMT -5
Would Traore start? Where and how many minutes would he take? If it’s a situation where no real guarantees of big minutes or money for him, then sure I guess it wouldn’t hurt as long as he and the freshmen are treated fairly (ie if McKenna is playing better then Cooley better play McKenna). Saw someone call his athleticism elite which I guess is worth taking a ticket on if it’s cheap. We need more 3 point shooting, off the top of my head only Mack and Fielder shoot 35%+ which is less than ideal. Is the hope Epps will get way more efficient since he has less to do? We definitely still need the shot blocker and hopefully it is in pipeline. If GU gets him and a space-eating big (rim protector, hopefully Cliff O.), they will be ranked next year.
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Post by traversb on Apr 17, 2024 19:27:32 GMT -5
I would take Troare in a heartbeat and have a good problem Leverage that supposed NY Lightning connection to get Omoruyi too while they're at it. That's the only reason you take him. He's a fine project but far from a need and his minutes also would come at the expense of the freshman. I don't think he's better than McKenna.
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Post by bluechi on Apr 17, 2024 19:39:21 GMT -5
Leverage that supposed NY Lightning connection to get Omoruyi too while they're at it. That's the only reason you take him. He's a fine project but far from a need and his minutes also would come at the expense of the freshman. I don't think he's better than McKenna. He's not a project. Yes, he's not a "need" though. I'm looking at it from the standpoint of Cooley's desire to have "positionless" players and as many good players as possible. Which i wouldn't be mad at at the 1 - 4. I too am very sensitive to getting the Freshman their minutes. But as a coach, nothing wrong with having the problem of too many good players and running 10 - 11 deep. The only player that is as long as he his at the 2/3 with good defensive skills is McKenna who I love also. Actually Williams too. So, you're prolly right.
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Post by thedragon on Apr 17, 2024 19:52:30 GMT -5
You can play a legitimate 9 man rotation, anything more is not realistic. If Cook, Williams and Hammond (just using as a place holder) are out of the rotation - then a 9 man group of Mack, Epps, Peavy, Fielder, Cliff (dreaming), Sorber, Traore, Mulready, McKenna would work. And when I say would work - you'd have a potential top 25 team. I'm definitely not ready to have those visions of grandeur yet.
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Post by bluechi on Apr 17, 2024 19:58:43 GMT -5
You can play a legitimate 9 man rotation, anything more is not realistic. If Cook, Williams and Hammond (just using as a place holder) are out of the rotation - then a 9 man group of Mack, Epps, Peavy, Fielder, Cliff (dreaming), Sorber, Traore, Mulready, McKenna would work. And when I say would work - you'd have a potential top 25 team. I'm definitely not ready to have those visions of grandeur yet. you're right. was not thinking clearly. i meant 9-10 man rotation. i was thinking more of number of good players in general.
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Post by jwp91 on Apr 17, 2024 21:54:05 GMT -5
I would take Troare in a heartbeat and have a good problem Leverage that supposed NY Lightning connection to get Omoruyi too while they're at it. I am guessing this is the plan. They are visiting together.
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Post by dense on Apr 17, 2024 22:04:27 GMT -5
Traore is in that Alpha Diallo mode of player, tough can handle but can guard a bigger guy because he is physically strong. On his highlights you see the leaping ability. Plus if Buzz Williams wants him that tells me he is a tough kid.
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Post by suicideslushpuppie on Apr 17, 2024 22:45:33 GMT -5
What % chance do we have of landing Omoruyi? What other options are there for a big man if he decides to go elsewhere?
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Post by blueandgray on Apr 17, 2024 23:24:23 GMT -5
Traore is in that Alpha Diallo mode of player, tough can handle but can guard a bigger guy because he is physically strong. On his highlights you see the leaping ability. Plus if Buzz Williams wants him that tells me he is a tough kid. This! He's an Ed Cooley tough type of kid. We also need an athletic wing.....he would definitely get minutes. Parts of his game remind me of Bile...especially on D, better ball handler, perhaps not quite the deep threat Bile was.
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Post by jwp91 on Apr 18, 2024 9:10:45 GMT -5
What % chance do we have of landing Omoruyi? What other options are there for a big man if he decides to go elsewhere? If he is making a visit, then we have a chance. Apparently, he is visiting Alabama too. Reports are that they are NIL challenged a bit. They have a lot more talented players to keep happy. If we get him on campus with Traori before Alabama we have more than a puncher's chance.
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Post by wolveribe on Apr 18, 2024 9:19:01 GMT -5
Traore obviously struggled from 3 but can defend 1-4, rebounds, plays defense, handles the ball. He can really do a lot of different things and is certainly no project. I agree that we probably need another shooter and a rim protector, but adding him helps the team. Still have room for a shooter, but maybe they feel like Epps, Mack, Fielder, McKenna, Williams, Sorber can provide some shot making ability.
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Post by Lethal_Interjection on Apr 18, 2024 9:39:48 GMT -5
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Apr 18, 2024 11:05:14 GMT -5
What % chance do we have of landing Omoruyi? What other options are there for a big man if he decides to go elsewhere? Do we realistcally know how many teams from his list of 12 are actually realistic options? People are saying he's going to visit Georgetown and Alabama. Any buzz about other visits? Good big men are always going to command the highest NIL on average because there are so many fewer available than guards/forwards who do not need as much height. If NIL matters to Omoruyi and we have a bunch left we can use, I would hope we could compete for him. Alabama's biggest advantage, I think, is that they are coming of a really good season, and Oates is obviously a very well respected coach. But, from what I can gather, Omoruyi went to high school in northern New Jersey and now has been at Rutgers. Tuscaloosa is a very different place than the northeast, and basketball will always be second fiddle there to football. That's a battle I would hope we could win with an NIL advantage. The big factor in favor of Alabama is that if Omoruyi wants a sure-fire NCAA team, and he looks at historical performance, the odds may be better there. But, if Omoruyi comes to Georgetown, it would go a very long way to making us competitive for one of those at large slots. I still think it's a reach after last season, but if Omoruyi comes, and things fall into place with a few of the other guys, then it could happen. And if it's in any way a package deal where recruiting Seydou Traore helps you get Omoruyi, you absolutely 100% take him too.
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Post by bluechi on Apr 18, 2024 11:47:30 GMT -5
Traore obviously struggled from 3 but can defend 1-4, rebounds, plays defense, handles the ball. He can really do a lot of different things and is certainly no project. I agree that we probably need another shooter and a rim protector, but adding him helps the team. Still have room for a shooter, but maybe they feel like Epps, Mack, Fielder, McKenna, Williams, Sorber can provide some shot making ability. Enen if it's a bench role for a year he woul boost the second unit like the St Johns dude that out-athleticized GU
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Post by BeantownHoya on Apr 18, 2024 11:50:30 GMT -5
What % chance do we have of landing Omoruyi? What other options are there for a big man if he decides to go elsewhere? Do we realistcally know how many teams from his list of 12 are actually realistic options? People are saying he's going to visit Georgetown and Alabama. Any buzz about other visits? Good big men are always going to command the highest NIL on average because there are so many fewer available than guards/forwards who do not need as much height. If NIL matters to Omoruyi and we have a bunch left we can use, I would hope we could compete for him. Alabama's biggest advantage, I think, is that they are coming of a really good season, and Oates is obviously a very well respected coach. But, from what I can gather, Omoruyi went to high school in northern New Jersey and now has been at Rutgers. Tuscaloosa is a very different place than the northeast, and basketball will always be second fiddle there to football. That's a battle I would hope we could win with an NIL advantage. The big factor in favor of Alabama is that if Omoruyi wants a sure-fire NCAA team, and he looks at historical performance, the odds may be better there. But, if Omoruyi comes to Georgetown, it would go a very long way to making us competitive for one of those at large slots. I still think it's a reach after last season, but if Omoruyi comes, and things fall into place with a few of the other guys, then it could happen. And if it's in any way a package deal where recruiting Seydou Traore helps you get Omoruyi, you absolutely 100% take him too. For people not aware, me being on of them... What is the connection between the 2 players?
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