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Post by bostonfan on Mar 23, 2017 13:52:09 GMT -5
I think it was time to go for JT3 and I am glad the school made this decision, but I do wish the man success in his future. Regardless of how many feel about how he led the basketball program I don't think anyone can say he was anything less than a great representative for the university. He handled himself with class and dignity and ran a clean program, in a day where that seems very difficult for many coaches in such a competitive atmosphere.
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njhoya78
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Post by njhoya78 on Mar 23, 2017 13:52:27 GMT -5
I'd love to see Shaka Smart, but the buyout on his contract at Texas would make the argument about JT3's buyout silly. My understanding. There is either none/or very little buyout. If that's the case. . .let's go for it.
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Post by njhoya78 on Mar 23, 2017 13:53:20 GMT -5
Anyone with any hint of NCAA issues, and who basically could not pass a background check done by the FBI, should not be an option. So, Paul Manafort and Michael Kelly are off the short list?
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Post by HoyaChris on Mar 23, 2017 13:53:25 GMT -5
More seriously for the university, if DeGioia was overruled on this, it's hard to think he is long for his own position. The fact that Jack was overruled on this one issue will not have any impact on his tenure. There are a lot more important things than basketball at GU.
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Post by hoyazeke on Mar 23, 2017 13:53:48 GMT -5
If Shaka brings Matt Coleman, come on. If we get Shaka we probably could get Tremont back. Whom I like more than Coleman....
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Post by tullamore2 on Mar 23, 2017 13:54:20 GMT -5
That's the big question. If the President & AD can't be trusted by the board to fire a coach, how can they trust them to hire the right coach. On the other hand, if the Board made the final decision, shouldn't the onus be on the Board to find a replacement that will be a success? All I know is Reed & DeGioia we're blindsided when the board overruled them. How Georgetown hires a coach in the future, is anyone's guess. Plus does JT JR have and say/influence in the next coach?
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 23, 2017 13:56:17 GMT -5
On this list, I think the following aren't good choices: Amaker (not good enough), Romar (huge failure with the number 1 draft pick this coming lotto), Dawkins (even worse than Amaker), King Rice (cannot even make the NCAA team at Monmouth). Here's a list of some as I see it (and courtesy of discussions with a friend): Dream Hires We Almost Certainly Won't Get: Gregg Marshall, Few Very Good Hires We Likely Won't Get, but Maybe Could: Hurley, Archie Miller Solid Hires But Unlikely: Tony Bennett, Mick Cronin. Retreads/Do They Fit Our Culture / Risks That Are Better Than Amaker: Crean, Kelvin Sampson (violations, but turned around Houston hugely, with no sense of current violations), Tim Jankovich (unproven), Kermit Davis (NCAA problems long ago, but successful at Middle Tennessee), Dan Muller (Illinois State; young guy but little success so far). Edit: I don't see any way Shaka Smart leaves Texas for Georgetown, but I'd probably take him over anybody on this list except maybe Marshall, Few, Hurley, or Miller. Maybe Bennett and Cronin too. Tony Bennett's NCAA resume looks like he could be JTIII 2.0 Look at his NCAA record the last 4 years: 2014: as a No. 1 seed, 61-59, to No. 4 Michigan State in the Sweet 16. 2015: as a No. 2 seed, 60-54, to No. 7 Michigan State in the second round. 2016: as a No. 1 seed, 68-62, to No. 10 Syracuse in the Elite Eight 2017: as a No. 5 seed, 65-39, to No. 4 Florida in the second round. His pace is also extremely slow. Which doesn't bother me, but would bother people who hated the Princeton offense.
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Post by This Just In on Mar 23, 2017 13:56:18 GMT -5
On this list, I think the following aren't good choices: Amaker (not good enough), Romar (huge failure with the number 1 draft pick this coming lotto), Dawkins (even worse than Amaker), King Rice (cannot even make the NCAA team at Monmouth). Here's a list of some as I see it (and courtesy of discussions with a friend): Dream Hires We Almost Certainly Won't Get: Gregg Marshall, Few Very Good Hires We Likely Won't Get, but Maybe Could: Hurley, Archie Miller Solid Hires But Unlikely: Tony Bennett, Mick Cronin. Retreads/Do They Fit Our Culture / Risks That Are Better Than Amaker: Crean, Kelvin Sampson (violations, but turned around Houston hugely, with no sense of current violations), Tim Jankovich (unproven), Kermit Davis (NCAA problems long ago, but successful at Middle Tennessee), Dan Muller (Illinois State; young guy but little success so far). Edit: I don't see any way Shaka Smart leaves Texas for Georgetown, but I'd probably take him over anybody on this list except maybe Marshall, Few, Hurley, or Miller. Maybe Bennett and Cronin too. Mick Cronin is an interesting candidate. With the uncertainty of the longterm viability of the American, he may be willing to make the move. I doubt Tony Bennett would leave the west coast, seeing how long he's been at Saint Mary's. I think you're correct about Marshall and Few (that's why I didn't include them). Archie Miller would be a great choice, in my opinion, but I think he's got his eyes on a specific job in a Power 5 conference, or he would have left Dayton before now. I think you're short-changing King Rice, whose teams failed to make the NCAAs because of MAAC tournament losses, and not because of regular season failures (that doesn't mean I want him, just that I wouldn't discount him as a candidate). You got Tony Bennett of Virginia confused with Randy Bennett of Saint Mary'..
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Post by EtomicB on Mar 23, 2017 13:58:01 GMT -5
More seriously for the university, if DeGioia was overruled on this, it's hard to think he is long for his own position. I don't see it that way, to me the board allowed him to be able to say I still had confidence in your son.. Plus his duties extend far beyond basketball at the university, I believe he'll be fine..
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Post by hoyatables on Mar 23, 2017 13:58:07 GMT -5
More seriously for the university, if DeGioia was overruled on this, it's hard to think he is long for his own position. No. Just, no.
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Post by Filo on Mar 23, 2017 13:58:51 GMT -5
Rumors about Geno Auriemma. Seriously, where do these rumors start?
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Post by njhoya78 on Mar 23, 2017 14:00:07 GMT -5
Just did a little research on Shaka Smart's contract: thanks to a contract extension last summer, he is guaranteed another $16M through the 2022 season, and with an option for $3.5M for the 2022-2023 season. If it's guaranteed, not sure how there is no/little buyout involved; there is nothing of public record that reflects a separate buyout provision, low or otherwise.
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Post by iowa80 on Mar 23, 2017 14:01:05 GMT -5
I'm aware of what's being said in the other thread, but are there any attributed sources for this? I trust my source I would never suggest that you would say anything if you didn't. But this is a big deal, and is deserving of attribution.
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Post by njhoya78 on Mar 23, 2017 14:01:06 GMT -5
Mick Cronin is an interesting candidate. With the uncertainty of the longterm viability of the American, he may be willing to make the move. I doubt Tony Bennett would leave the west coast, seeing how long he's been at Saint Mary's. I think you're correct about Marshall and Few (that's why I didn't include them). Archie Miller would be a great choice, in my opinion, but I think he's got his eyes on a specific job in a Power 5 conference, or he would have left Dayton before now. I think you're short-changing King Rice, whose teams failed to make the NCAAs because of MAAC tournament losses, and not because of regular season failures (that doesn't mean I want him, just that I wouldn't discount him as a candidate). You got Tony Bennett of Virginia confused with Randy Bennett of Saint Mary'.. Whoops. That's my first mistake this year.
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Post by thedragon on Mar 23, 2017 14:03:47 GMT -5
Just did a little research on Shaka Smart's contract: thanks to a contract extension last summer, he is guaranteed another $16M through the 2022 season, and with an option for $3.5M for the 2022-2023 season. If it's guaranteed, not sure how there is no/little buyout involved; there is nothing of public record that reflects a separate buyout provision, low or otherwise. Its not guaranteed if he leaves on his own. I believe the guarantee was in lieu of a buyout provision. Thus, i would surmise that it would take Gtown matching his guarantee to persuade him to leave.
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Post by reformation on Mar 23, 2017 14:03:49 GMT -5
Seems odd that the board would overrule the pres on an operational matter without a clear plan/alternatives in place. Tagliabue and Zo I would think would have had to have been firmly committed to ousting JT3(only board members with obvious credibility on issue), otherwise it would seem the speculation on the board vs De Gioia is misplaced.
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Post by TC on Mar 23, 2017 14:04:38 GMT -5
More seriously for the university, if DeGioia was overruled on this, it's hard to think he is long for his own position. Does the Board of Directors have the power to fire the basketball coach? This story doesn't quite smell right to me: governance.georgetown.edu/bylaws#_ga=1.181636078.872737552.1485805654Remove and Hire President, yes. Firing the Basketball Coach?
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Post by joey0403p on Mar 23, 2017 14:06:06 GMT -5
Does waters reconsider?
I guess it's a function of how quickly we name a coach and that guy's ability to re recruit him?
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 23, 2017 14:06:23 GMT -5
If Shaka brings Matt Coleman, come on. If we get Shaka we probably could get Tremont back. Whom I like more than Coleman.... How are we gonna get Shaka when we have to pay III 3.5 million a year and Shaka is 2.9 mil going up to 3.4 under his stress contract in a few years. The more likely scenario is hiring a coach that is cheap.
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Post by gav11 on Mar 23, 2017 14:06:34 GMT -5
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